johng
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this happend on staurday in milwaukee. JS online
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The TV reporters when describing oxycontin stated it as for an addict it is just like heroin...
They also stated that while it is good for pain it is also very addicting and addicts will do anything to get it!!!!
this plays into the media , in a bad way, for us who need pain control!!!
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mslily
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I agree...oxycontin does get a bad rap for its addictive qualities. Personally, I have never taken oxycontin for pain (although offered the script by my pain management doctor) but I refused it because I felt that the lortab was doing an adequate enough job in controlling my pain and I was afraid of something that could potentially be more addicting than vicodin. Sorry....off topic, but it just seems that this is the med that is getting the most "face time" lately in the media.
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penzam1535
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"Milwaukee police said he took more than 1,200 OxyContin pills, valued at almost $4,500"
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oldnavy170
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Not relevant to the topic.
Edited by Melody (06/10/03 08:47 AM)
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prettyday
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And, one wonders how many he actually did steal? I thought narcotics like that were in 'safes' at some places now. Or he could have had superb timing, and overcome the delivery guy..
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zorg
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That would almost have to have an inside element to be pulled off.... I would think they guard closely the shipping times and methods of Oxycontin and CII in general .
Interesting point by prettyday as well regarding how many were ACTUALLY stolen....
I'm glad noone was hurt in the ordeal. What WILL happen is someone will OD on snorting the stolen narcotics, and then they'll prosecute another doctor and give the drug more face-time.
I have one positive point to add: My gut instinct based on research and interaction with doctors and industry, is telling me that the plight of the acute and chronic pain patient IS coming to light in a way that will result in positive gains towards proper treatment. I feel that pain patients and opoioids are going to be de-stigmatized significantly in the near future. The inappropriate role of law enforcement playing doctor has not gone unnoticed, the tides are starting to turn.
What the hell happened to mass media anyway ? Is it really as simple as ratings trumping journalistic integrity ?
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phinny
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Man, something sure as hell don't add up here. 1200 pills valued at $4500? Even if Purdue still made the 160s (80s is the max these days), that's only $3.75 per pill. Sold!!! to the man with pills for a face. Considering cops like to apply the "exaggeration factor" when bragging about a big bust. You know, like if they bust somebody for a kilo of drug X, they take the maximum price for a gram of it on the street, triple it/quadruple it, then multipy that number by 1000 and go for front page stuff, when those in the know realize it's worth nowhere near that much. Looks like they went the other way with this one. 1200 oxys is worth a helluva lot more than that.
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limper
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Sonick,
Your views on what you see coming into play as to us and others all over this country in chronic pain...well,I too see it coming. There are SIMPLY too many of US to be ignored by these politicians much longer. The "politicos" are THE ones who dictate what the "proper authorities" do! Think about it folks. Sonick..you are right in my book!
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Ocean
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I used to work at a pharmacy... I am really surprised this type of thing doesn't happen more often... You would be shocked if you knew how careless most pharmacists are... While all schedule II are kept in a safe, the safe is unlocked and open all day long... We used to fill about 300 scripts a day, and to have to open it each time we needed something was impractical... All the drugs are right there out in the open... Also, deliveries aren't guarded or anything... Quite the opposite... We would have this girl Pearl who was in charge of all store deliveries bring the boxes back to the pharmacy when they arrive... They just sit in the back stockroom until she's ready to bring them over... And schedule III, forget about it... That's right there on the shelf... Bottles of 500... Any customer could really just reach over and grab it if they had the opportunity As guarded as Doctors are with this stuff, at the pharmacy, it's loose and free...
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toe
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My thoughts exactly. Don't even 20's retail (legally) at 5.00 per pill? Or maybe the media was just reorting the pharmacy's loss.
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fishdude
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"Any customer could really just reach over and grab it if they had the opportunity"
Was at a pharmacy just the other day and the lovely young pharm tech was filling a script of some hydro cough medicine out of what I swear was a freakin gallon jug. She set it on the shelf about 2 feet from me and walked away.
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Prettyday, I get my morphine sulfate filled at walgreens pharmacy. They always have to get the head pharmacist to open the safe. The last time I went to get them filled this store was out, so I called around to other pharmacies to see if they had them, seems that pharmacies will not tell a person on the phone of the availability of scheduled 11 meds. They told me to bring written script in, and they will check.
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Stacy
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Quote:
And, one wonders how many he actually did steal? I thought narcotics like that were in 'safes' at some places now. Or he could have had superb timing, and overcome the delivery guy..
In my town, Schedule II's are locked and it has to be opened each time there is a script filled.
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Gottajiboo
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Thats just so wrong 
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LumbarSpasm
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That is the letter of the law. In practical use, many pharmacies probably don't do this. Maybe in high crime areas they do, but in smaller towns, or mom and pop pharms, I'd bet they don't.
Just like nurses are supposed to lock the med cart as they run in to offer meds to patients. In reality that doesn't happen if no one is around. What is practicle is often the rule and not the exception.
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IMSUSCOT1
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Usually it takes an "incident" to actually get pharmacists, nurses, etc to be as vigilent as their supposed to be....One night I had a patient screaming in pain and in a rush, I closed the safe door, but didn't "spin" it(we had an outer key lock and an inner combination lock....drugs are usually seperated by schedule and  "party appeal", and usually only one person per shift had the highest level of access--common in smaller hospitals and/or night shifts w/lower staffing ratios) someone walked away with 20 prefilled syringes w/25 mg of demerol  ....trust me, after that, even Jesus couldn't get me to turn my back or walk away from the narc safe without both locks locked and checked twice! LOL And there were only 3 nurses on that night....so we all pretty much knew who did it...the hospital didn't really want to persue it though...nursing shortage and all...While I enjoyed a little two day "holiday" one of my compadres enjoyed a little holiday of their own, it sucked!
Edited by IMSUSCOT1 (06/11/03 08:55 PM)
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prettyday
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terri, back in 1984, I had eight teeth pulled and the oral surgeon decided I should have Diladud. Did not even know what that was at the time--but I do remember that my then boyfriend simply could not call around and find someone who had it--the surgeon's nurse ended up having to call the pharmacist otherwise they would not give out that information....wow, you forget these things....like the fact that they gave me that apparently strong med and when the pain was gone, so was my need. I just still wonder how the person would even know what was available...
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