bill2002
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Has anyone ever heard of "Over the counter Codiene cough syrup". You supposedly can just ask the pharmicist at a pharmacy and sign the narcotic register book, without a perscription. This is a schedule 5 drug. We use to do this about 10 years ago and I was wondering if anybody knows what brand it is that you ask for? Also is it even still legal and available? Thanks.
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fluffyfeller
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It is available in some states. You just tell the pharmacist you have a dry, unproductive cough and would like to purchase some.
It's not legal in Texas but is legal in Ohio. Those are the only two states in which I have asked for the syrup.
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theforgiven
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I live in the Cleveland, Ohio area and that is correct, at least for Ohio that I know of. I stopped, but last year I purchased about 10 bottles of "Chericol", one every 3 weeks or so. But, I had been going to that particular drug-store for a long time and the pharmicist knew me and I was a good customer; the pharmicist has the option of selling it or not; if you're young or don't have the right "look", you probably won't get sold. But, in theory, it's perfectly legal, non-RX "OTC" med. Expensive now: $25 for 4 oz. 20 to 25 years ago when I was abusing, they were cheap, 7 or 8 bucks. Also, last year, some Canadian sites were offering it, but I haven't seen it lately.
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MarcusMoore
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Theoretically, you can ask for no more than 4 oz. from the pharmacist. Though legal, discretion is entirely up to the pharmacist. More and more pharmacists are saying no. All you can do is ask for it, and see what happens. You may have to try several before you find one that will comply. Good luck.
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caramello51
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wow, i know this off topic, but this takes me back to the '60s, the stuff tasted so bad we had to wash it down with Ripple, LOL  
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daddyj
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If you can buy that syrup, you can probably also buy 222's (8/500 Codeine Phosphate/Aspirin) or Tylenol #1's (8/550 CP/APAP) OTC as well.
If you need more relief from pain and don't care to ruin your liver by taking a whole bunch of Tylenol or eat your stomach with the aspirin, let me know by PM.
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wow, i know this off topic, but this takes me back to the '60s, the stuff tasted so bad we had to wash it down with Ripple, LOL
Yeah. Good ol' Robitussen. 
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knineouch
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States break down into four groups in this matter. First set: a significant number of states have repealed the law permitting OTC sale of codeine cough syrup or never had such a law, I would roughly estimate 20 states are in this category, including Alabama, California, Maryland, Nebraska, Oregon, Tennessee, Texas and New York and most or all of New England (not sure about Maine). Another set is states in which it is technically legal, the law permitting sale of Schedule V codeine cough syrups (also called Class V) is on the books, but sale of Class V cough medicine has been eliminated, or virtually eliminated, by enforcement action of that state's board of pharmacy (examples: Oklahoma and Pennsylvania). A third set is states or portions of states in which it can happen but it is still very rare, either because of tough oversight by the board of pharmacy, agreement among pharmacists to limit it, or domination of the state by chain stores that have a no-sale policy (examples: Arizona, Montana, South Dakota, Indiana, Illinois, New Jersey, New Mexico, and the urban portions of Washington State). The fourth set and the one you would presumably have interest in is those states where sale used to be wide open, i.e., most pharmacists would sell to most presentable persons requesting it most of the time and many pharmacists would repeatedly sell it as long as the formalities were complied with (pay the cash, sign the book, show ID, age appropropriate, no drinking inside the pharmacy, etc.). In this fourth class of states sale of Class Vs is now much more a hit or miss proposition. Pharmacy schools have been churning out skulls full of mush trained to reject or lean toward rejecting all such sales. A place that is good today may go bad tomorrow or it may depend on which pharmacist is on duty. Generally speaking, the older the pharmacist the better and if the regular customers refer to him as "doc" then you are probably in business. With those caveats you can get it at a number of pharmacies in this class of states. This would include Virginia, North Carolina (more western and rural than in cities), West Virginia, Ohio, Kentucky, Mississippi (Miss. has a requirement that the medication have at least three active ingredients- Novahistine DH is OK, Robe AC is not), Kansas, South Carolina, and Georgia.
Obviously, this data is subject to change without notice - I am merely trying to quickly summarize the situation as best as I can from what I know or have heard.
If you can find a willing RPh in Florida or Nevada, state law there limits sale to 2 ounces.
Cities and chain stores are mostly a bust and independent pharmacies are going out of business at a rate of 10+ per week. The independents (not CVS, not Walgreens, not Osco, not Rite-Aid, etc., also not hospital pharmacies) that are still open are your best bet by far and a weathered orange Rexall sign is a good portent. Also, good if the signage emphasizes the word Drugs. In a number of jurisdictions sale is restricted to local residents and in many such cases you must have local photo ID. However, this is a rule that can vary depending on recent enforcement - places may require local ID one time and not a year later.
If your medical condition warranted regular use of Class Vs you will find the OTC loophole to be awfully small these days - you might as well go to a doc-in-a-box or use an OP.
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Knineouch, thank you for the excellent post and the helpful information. (thank you to everyone else who posted as well) I've been trying to research this topic for weeks, spending hours at a time running into dead-ends in terms of trying to determine which states allow low-dose OTC codeine. I am lucky enough to live close to Canada, but it would be much more convenient to stay right here in the states. Can anyone else shed any more light on specific states and/or offer personal experiences? (esp. Western states in my case  ).
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bill2002
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Thank you knineouch and everybody else for the helpfull information. Alot of people don't know about this old "loophole" and I myself had forgot about it untill this weekend when a friend and I where talking about old times.
Thanks again. 
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Thank you for posting! I just wanted to bump the thread, and add that state laws are worth looking into. You never know what you may find that may assist you.
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needinfo
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There is another similar thread going on Sched V drugs:
https://drugbuyers.com/freeboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=whooffers&Number=72814&Forum=All_Forums&Words=&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=1day&Main=72680&Search=true#Post72680
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missc123
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i can't pm you.but what you want to be pm'd about?missc123
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wildbill
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bill2002 - This is wildbill. Thanks for the excellent post. I posted on the Schedule V Board but want to share some sources here. If you're in the New York-New Jersey area, there are two places I know who give 4 oz Robitussen AC for apprx $10 in Jersey City. One is across from Jersey City Medical Center, Akbar (check spelling) Pharmacy, run by a sleazy Pakistani named Mohammed. Mohammed needs the US$ and will do this pretty often. I even managed 2 bottles at a time using my wife's driver's license. Stuff is good Watson generic last time I had it. Other place is Herman's Drugstore down the street a bit; that is run by Filipinos who illegally prepare it out of a bigger bottle but will only allow you two refills a year.
Also word to Jersities - DON'T bother with places that sell liquor or cater to medicaid explicitly around grove street; they won't do it; likewise for big chains. It's independent foreigners who want the money. Mohammed did this for me in the middle of the summer when I had no visible cold.
When I was last in Florida (14 yrs ago) had a ball in North Miami, South Miami with the "Farmacias" - no questions asked for 2 oz bottles; and by looking straightlaced in certain areas in Ft. Laud I had relations with pharmacists who saw me coming and just had the bottle ready on a weekly basis. Now, whatever happened to good ol' Donnegal PG (Kaepectin PG) - 2.5 grains of powdered opium plus belladonna? This used to be easy to get in Florida esp. with the oldsters with bad stomachs, and less suspicious than cough medicine.
Now, question for y'all - anyone know of anyplace that sells Schedule V stuff in the Melbourne/Satellite Beach area? I have not bothered to ask Publix (though I was able to score with it years ago), Winn Dixie, esp. Wal-Mart seems out of the question.
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Hope this is the right forum to post this, I am still new at this, but wanted to share this article I came across....let me know what you think.
..U.S. Takes Aim at Illegal Net Pharmacies
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By Lori Enos
E-Commerce Times
October 19, 2000
Lawmakers want consumers to be able to trust Net pharmacies as much as brick-and-mortar pharmacies.
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A pair of bills introduced this week in the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives would make it easier for state and federal officials to crack down on illegal sales of pharmaceuticals over the Internet.
The Senate bill, known as the Internet Prescription Drug Consumer Protection Act of 2000, was introduced by a bipartisan coalition of senators including Edward Kennedy (D-Massachusetts) and Health, Education, Labor and Pensions committee chairman James Jeffords (R-Vermont).
"Our goal with this act is to allow American consumers to place the same confidence and trust in Internet pharmacies as they do in traditional brick-and-mortar pharmacies," Jeffords said in a floor statement introducing the bill.
A similar bill was introduced in the House by Commerce committee chairman Thomas Bliley (R-Virginia) and Rep. Ron Klink (D-Pennsylvania).
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Acknowledging that many Internet pharmacies are "fly-by-night or foreign businesses that easily avoid prosecution," the Senate bill would require all interstate and international pharmacies to disclose their exact address and telephone number, as well as the states in which they are licensed to sell drugs.
"In the search for lower-priced prescription drugs, American consumers can, unwittingly, order prescription drugs from rogue Web sites that appear to be American-based companies, but are actually overseas sites offering low-priced prescription drugs that are unapproved, counterfeit, contaminated, expired, mislabeled, manufactured in unapproved facilities, or not stored or handled in a proper manner," Jeffords said.
The proposed legislation would also allow the Justice Department to prevent illegal foreign pharmacies from collecting payments from U.S. consumers.
U.S. States Coming Together
One of the most meaningful provisions in the new bill is a clause that would grant states the right to go to federal court to obtain an injunction valid across the U.S. to put illegal Internet pharmacies out of business.
Under current law, state attorneys general can only ban illegal pharmacies from selling to residents within their own state, leaving the illegal operator free to sell in the other 49 states.
"For many illegal sellers, the risk of a state injunction is merely a cost of doing business," Kennedy said. "Under this legislation, illegal sellers will be out of business altogether."
State attorneys general have been fighting a ferocious battle against illegal Internet drug sales. Thirty-one states are currently participating in a working group to track Internet drug sales and share ideas about designing legal actions against the companies.
Pending Cases
In the meantime, state prosecutors have been working to stop the illegal sale of drugs over the Web using laws already on the books. Earlier this year, for example, the state of New Jersey filed suit against eight online pharmacies, accusing them of selling such prescription medicines as Viagra, Propecia and Xenical without a license. Similar suits have been filed in Kansas, Missouri and Illinois.
Civil cases have also been filed. Last year, Kansas Attorney General Carla J. Stovall's office filed five consumer protection lawsuits, alleging that the defendants were illegally selling prescription drugs via the Web.
In a sting operation, investigators had a 16 year-old male place orders for Viagra using his real age and his mother's credit card. Three companies sold the minor the drug without parental consent or a medical exam.
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fluffyfeller
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Great article and thanks for posting it. But it belongs in Laws and Regulations. Hopefully DB will move it and not delete it.
Edited to change title back to original per Needinfo. Thanks, Needinfo. I didn't even notice the title had changed!
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missc123
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so will they do mail order?missc123
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