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Last week I received a package from NZ. It has been months since I have ordered from there.  It had been opened by customs all the meds were removed and a small 4" by4" paper said something like. contraband and/or narcotics removed yadayada. with 3 sets of numbers (codes of law) at the bottom. So it can take months to receive notice. And this was not a seizure notice. just a piece of paper. I had even received a reshipment from this op already. So try to have no worries about seizure. Its best to just ignore it and move on. Like others have said its the lick of the draw.
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grnirish
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Floger, thank you for your post. I just rcvd that little 4x4 paper today with 2 empty boxes. I went crazy to find out what the 3 customs laws are at the bottom, and couldn't find them anywhere. This was my first, also from NZ. I couldn't find any info about this small piece of paper until I read your post. They seperated my order in two parcels. I don't have a clue as to what happened to the other. I hope the OP will help me out one way or the other. At least I'll have some piece of mind knowing that this happened to someone else without a legal problem. I think that was my last international order.
Thank you for sharing!
Edited by grnirish (05/18/02 05:15 PM)
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SurrealMan
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I had EXACTLY the same experience, 4x4 love letter and all!
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aquar
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Flexeril is NOT a controlled substance. I'm not sure about Soma.
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bdc3r
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Soma without codeine phosphate is not a controlled substance. Another poster said that Soma is controlled in Kentucky but she probably meant Soma w/Codeine because the Controlled Substance Act is a federal law.
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Farmer
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The controlled substance act is federal, but states can and do have stricter laws. Meds such as Soma, Ultram and Nubain have found there way onto state's list of controlled subtances. States can make individual drugs scheduled which are not or place them higher up, it just can not go the other way around....as California and Arizona found when they tried to move pot from a scheduled one status and an into fed trouble.
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geckogecko
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If you ordered from pharmacydiscounter I'm sure they will reship for you.
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Chuckie
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First of all...Welcome!!. Now, what normally happens is,... Customs keeps the package and sends you a letter in the mail, telling you they have done so. I know People who have shoe-boxes full of these letters. It outlines what law your order violates and tells you how to claim the package and how long you have before they destroy the contents. A handful of People have gotten these packages released to them. Usually because they have a Doctor who has prescribed the drug to them in the past and Customs sends the package to the Doctors office and He/She gives them to you. This is VERY rare!!, but it has happend. Now, I think your real worry is... are you going to get busted?, or have charges filed against you?. The answer is NO!!. So far, they've been happy just to ruin your day and take the meds home to party on. This, however, could change someday soon as they are hitting us on all fronts. I had Customs go through a package I ordered for my Wife. All they took was a couple tubes of Retin-A cream and some Azlaic Acid cream. They left the Valium, Xanax and Ativan in the package and sent it on to us. Being new I will tell you that certain posters will call you a liar no matter what you post. But I promise you this happend. I have been at this a little over two years now and I have never had a package outright seized. Keep trying and avoid NZ sites. The first OPs that got the attention of FDA and Customs was an NZ site that sold Viagra to an old Man who died after taking it. FDA keeps a list of OPs that it has sent warning letters to. You can view them on the FDA web-site. These are OPs that the U.S. Government are trying to get foreign countries to close down. Obviously its not a good idea to do business with them. dhc, (Dihydrocodiene) is on the DEA list as a sched II narcotic. Same as Oxycodone, or oxy-contin. So they would probably grab that if they saw it. Lastly, keep in mind that sometimes, some Customs Officers just take your meds for personal use. Not to mention, UPS, Fed-X drivers, your neighbors, family or friends. So dont let anybody know you've got packages coming, cause sometimes they just get left sitting next to your front door for anybody to grab. We've got alot working against us. Having controlled drugs sent to you from ouside the U.S. is illegal no matter what anybody tells you. The only way you can legally get them is to go into Mexico, Canada, ect., get a script and walk them back across the border yourself. Except for Texas, all other States recognize a foreign script as legal. Hope this helps, "Newbie."
Chuckie
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toky20
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Good info, Chuckie!
Except that it HAS happened to at least one member in the last month or so, that the guys with the badges hand delivered the member's order, and asked if they could come in and "look around".
So, while rare, it DOES happen. But I'm with you: #1. It's ILLEGAL. Period. #2. Yeah, I think a lot of what people order ends up in the homes of the customs workers. #3. Maybe we are all in the wrong field of work? lol.....
Take Care,
Toky
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zeuzjuz
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Toky, i still find that story VERY odd to say the least..... There are people here that have been using OP's 5-6 years, I have only been at it like a year and a half but I have heard people talking about being around OP's for at least that long... Also we hear about seizures in someone's posts everyday.... The person that said that happened to them said it was for less than #100 count of Ativan pills.... ??? I can just not fathom this actually happening in the least.... I mean I have no reason to think the person is lying either, but don't you just find that whole thing very odd? Especially when it was like a one month supply of a ShcIV medicine? I could maybe see it happening on a HUGE, and ridiculous overseas order, but that just makes no sense... In a whole year and half, there are thousands of people on this board not to mention that thousands have been and left and were into OP's 6 years ago, but this is the *only* story I have ever heard of someone having that happen to them ordering a personal amount of meds.... How could the enforcement be 'that' inconsistent? 1 person out of tens of thousands over time? I just don't get it... But like I said, there is no reason for the person to make it up either... But no laws have been changed regarding the matter really, this didn't 'start happening' after it happened to that user, it just happened once out of all these years to one random person ordering a tiny amount of anti-anxiety medication? very hard to swallow, but why would she make it up??
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toky20
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I absolutely agree with you, Zeuz. It is a tough pill to swallow 
We don't know the truth, we never will, I just wanted Chuckie to know there's at least one story going around. However, that story seems to have died in the dirt, didn't it? Also I've not seen the poster recently, so I can in no way speculate what may or may not have happened.
I think I posted as I did to help people keep from gettng TOO comfortable with the ordering process. That comfort makes us sloppy and greedy, and then we may really have problems, such as increased seizures, and then the OP will have problems, then we ALL have more problems securing the meds we need.
Thanks for posting the other side--hehe you are good at that  I want everyone to be careful and alert while they go about their business.
Take Care,
Toky
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ewebp
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I had a controlled delivery sent to my house last year when lifestylesinc or younglifestyle got busted... I forget the name. Anyway, they sent two feds to my house and asked that I open the package in front of them. I knew the contents were not controlled substances, so I cooperated. They took the package and told me to have a nice day. The agents were very nice and they never tried to come inside my house (Of course, I wouldn't have let them if they tried). I think the whole thing would have turned ugly if there was a controlled substance inside the package.
This sort of thing does happen from time to time. I think it happens more often than you read about. Most people are just too scared to post the experience or they possibly could be in legal trouble and just can't speak about the incident.
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Trampy
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I have never heard of a controlled delivery of less than #100. And i've never heard a beliveable story about feds hand-delivering Nubain ... why didn't they just let the post office do it?
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zeuzjuz
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I never used lifestyleinc or whatever, but wasn't that a domestic pharmacy? Like one of those diet pill/antidepressant/viagra type sites?? Maybe I am wrong, but if they were domestic than that could have made a difference... I have never seen a news reports of someone getting a controlled delivery of something from overseas.... Like I said, I could be wrong... But it would make the percentage something like 0.000000001% percent, and it seems like the gov would have some explaining to do about the inconsistencies. I mean, most people would not order overseas if they thought there was a real chance of that happening... Since everyone just gets a seizure letter, it makes people feel ok doing it... I could be wrong about lifestyleinc but if they were in the U.S, that would make all the difference in the world, and help to explain a bit....
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ewebp
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They were investigating a large number of packages being shipped out of Florida. I don't know what they thought they were going to find. Lifestyle must have had another operation on the side. I could tell they were a little frustrated when they saw the contents. Anyway...the next day I read a cut and paste post from a local newspaper in Florida that two people were arrested for shipping numerous packages containing meds.
Believe it or not....
Who said anything about Nubain anyway?! Just messin' with ya Trampy.
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Trampy
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It just doesn't add up. They could have gotten a search warrant and opened it up themselves. I've never heard of two feds hand-delivering a domestic package that didn't have controlled substances. Cheaper to let the mail carrier do it.
They sold off the lifestyleinc domain name, but it's still going at pillen2000.
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ewebp
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I know they are still operating. The man behing the OP doesn't even live in the U.S. He doesn't live in Germany either, I have no idea what the association with Pillen is.
All I know is what I read, what I saw and what they told me...
Don't worry about it...you won't hurt my feelings if you don't believe me.
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klsan
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Whenever I get a seizure notice I wonder if my name ends up on a customs "list" somewhere and the next time I take a cruise or go to Mexico on vacation I will get hassled when I come back to the US.......
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ewebp
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Are you kidding? They can't even keep known terrorists out of our country.
The customs agent says, "Enjoy your stay in the United States, Mr. Bin Laden."
The customs agent then looks at the other agent and says, "Geez that guy looks familiar. I just can't figure out where I've seen him before."
-EW
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Sky_Queen
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Excellent point!!! I think we all worry too much
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qbird
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No K, you would not be treated any differently than anyone else if you get a seizure notice.
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vito
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Hey guys.
I read your posts and they are really interesting, but I still don't quite get it. Let's say I order 100 valiums 10mg. If I understand things right, if customs decides to open the package and sees that it's a controlled substance, they'll confiscate it, send me a note that I need to pick it up, but if I don't, they won't charge me with anything (because they can't prove that I ordered it)? These controlled deliveries I've read about, could it happen in this case?
Vitas
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qbird
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Certainly it is possible to get busted on importing controlled substances even if it is only 100 valiums. It is really against the law. You do hear of cases where people get busted for importing a small amount of controlled substances. However, a lot of us that do just get the letter. I am not sure why some people get singled out. It could be luck of the draw or an ongoing investigation if the person has been doing this awhile.
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Roller
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I'm not sure what to do if there is a controlled delivery at my house. What if you refuse to open the pkg and tell the officers that you werent expecting anything and you don't know what it is. What if you open it and it is a controlled substance like codeine w/tylenol? Do they arrest you on the spot?
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needinfo
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One, don't order express--it is more likely to be seized and you usually have to sign for it. Order regular mail, it takes longer but is more likely to get through and usually you do not have to sign. If it is seized, you might (or might not) get a letter saying that you can claim the goods--don't do it--toss it and chalk it up to experience. If anyone shows up (not really likely), ask to speak with your lawyer before making any comments or statements.
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lovepink
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I think if Law Enforcement has gone so far as to arrange a controlled delivery, your refusal to open the package & claim ignorance isn't going to fly...that said, unless you're ordering ketamine, rohypnol, ghb, or the like, the odds are with you that you won't be getting a controlled delivery...a seizure letter perhaps.
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royce
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In 1995, before the crackdown on specific Asian countries, I received an ordered that was obviously opened by customs. There was nothing left in the envelope (package). My mailman, who was a friend too, suggested this to me. He told me that I was under no legal obligation to sign for any mail. If I refused to sign for it, he would just have to return to to sender and if questioned, say that he could not deliver it. I never took possession of it, but it was VERY obvious that there was nothing in it. Nothing happened after that, however, months later, I did get the standard customs letter. He was mailman up until the day I moved out of state. I miss him!
royce
Edited by royce (04/07/03 10:40 AM)
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needinfo
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And in a recap of this entire thread (and to reneedle the thread)---
It is illegal to import a drug unless you have a prescription AND an import license. (Bringing it back in person is a whole different story but just as dumb).
The type of drug and the amount can make a difference in whether it is seized and/or whether you are prosecuted.
Regular mail is more likely to get to you than express or courier and you do not have to sign for it.
In the unlikely event that you get a seizure notice just toss it and make no claim. Chalk it up to experience. Also think before you do a chargeback and call attention to yourself.
In the highly unlikely event that someone comes acalling at your doorstep keep your mouth shut and go spend some money on a mouthpiece to argue the facts and the law in a light most favorable.
Freedom of speech (1st Amendment) also means the Freedom to Disagree. And always remember "Argumetum ad Hominem" is an accepted logical fallacy.
Take care and good luck to all. Peace be with you all.
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fluffyfeller
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Excellent, concise post. Thanks, needinfo.
I understood everything and agree. But what does "Argumetum ad Hominem" mean?
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