johnjacobs
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soon to get a new job and dont know for sure if tyhey do drug tests, but to be on the safe side, any help on how to cleanse the system? codeine, no prob 4-6 days ill be fine , but im worried about the benzos, 4-6 weeks in body, any help, or sites that can help me out on masking the benzos would be helpful. PLEASE this is my dream job im applying for..... im very terrified!!!!
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CzArSheL
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The first thing to know about drug testing is what the standard test looks for. What is being tested for varies greatly based on testing company, expense, expectations, federal requirements etc. Following is a description of what to expect from the standard tests.
The NIDA 5
Federal government guidelines (by NIDA-The National Institute on Drug Abuse and SAMHSA-The Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration) require that companies which use commercial class drivers licenses for employees must have a testing system in place. Among other things, this required testing program must test for 5 specific categories of drugs (sometimes referred to as the "NIDA 5"). Because of this federal requirement, most drug testing companies offer a basic drug test which checks for drugs in these 5 common categories. Click on the substance name for a description of the laboratory method for detecting the substance.
Cannabinoids (marijuana, hash)
Cocaine (cocaine, crack, benzoylecognine)
Amphetamines (amphetamines, methamphetamines, speed)
Opiates (heroin, opium, codeine, morphine)
Phencyclidine (PCP)
Expanded Tests
Most drug testing companies also offer an expanded test which includes a few additional drugs in the testing process. Most do not add all of these in their expanded test, but choose a different combination of 3 or 4 to add :
Barbituates (Phenobarbital, Secobarbitol, Butabital)
Hydrocodone (Lortab, Vicodin)
Methaqualone (Qualuudes)
Benzodiazepines (Valium, Librium, Serax, Rohypnol)
Methadone
Propoxyphene (Darvon compounds)
Ethanol (Alcohol)
MDMA (Ecstasy)
It's been my experiance companys dont pay for the expanded test options. But if they do test for benzo's
The immunoassays (EIA) are utilized to detect benzodiazepines in urine. All positives are confirmed by GC/MS.
Cutoff and Detection Post Dose
Cutoff by immunoassay is 200 ng/ml for benzodiazepine metabolites. This level is sufficient to detect the most common benzodiazepines for 48-72 hours post single dose and as long as a week post dose under some circumstances. GC/MS cutoff levels for the various benzodiazepine metabolites is 100 ng/ml.
If you take benzo's on a regular basis they can stay detectable for weeks, If you don't take them everyday they stay detectable for about a week or so. Benzo's are odd that way in some people they clear out fast in others they linger for weeks. I guess It depends largely on your personal metabolism. best personal advice I can give is to either dehydrate and rehydrate yourself several times to flush out your system or just over hydrate (drink lots and lots of water for a few days) and you should be able to urinate out most of the stuff in your system, Including vitamins and minerals.
Hope this info helps, and good luck with the job! I've been job hunting all week myself.
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daddyj
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I would suggest that you go to a local health food store and request some detoxificaton tea. The good ones offer a money back or double money back guarantee.
Follow the directions to the letter!
Usually the mechanism here is that you have to abstain for 2-3 days before hand, then in the day before the test, you make a couple gallons of this herbal tea with the usual cleansing herbs like rose hips and goldenseal. You drink all of this tea and as much other water as you can and pee as many times as you can. Then, about an hour or so before the test you take a couple of capsules that restore creatine and yellow color to your urine so it it's difficult to tell that you're trying to beat the test.
Also, it's more expensive, but you can actually buy freeze dried, clean pee that you add water to and heat to submit. If they watch, you can even buy an *ahem* lifelike looking implement to distribute your sample.
I'm sure that you can also find suitable sources for this on www.hightimes.com or do a google search.
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kevind
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soon to get a new job and dont know for sure if tyhey do drug tests, but to be on the safe side, any help on how to cleanse the system? codeine, no prob 4-6 days ill be fine , but im worried about the benzos, 4-6 weeks in body, any help, or sites that can help me out on masking the benzos would be helpful. PLEASE this is my dream job im applying for..... im very terrified!!!!
cranberry juice helps detox. and also look it up in the www.google.com search engine because I always thought pot stayed in the system for a month, but that's only true if you've been a chain smoker for 3 or 4 months, otherwise it just stays for 3-4 days. hope this helps. If not just show them the prescription bottle because u do have a legal prescription for them.
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Klempsch
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Does anyone know whether Ultram shows up as an opiate in a drug screen, or would they have to check specifically for it, and do they usually do so?
Also, a word of caution... someone said in another thread that they now test for the detox supplements like goldenseal, you automatically fail the drug screen if they find them.
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johnjacobs
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Thanks for the good info Czar... but even using the NON D.O.T. tests wouldnt a benzo produce a false positive?
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CzArSheL
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They have to be testing for the metabolites of a benzo to find a benzo, for instance if they are using the standard test that doesn't include the expanded testing for benzo's a benzo is not going to show up as something else. If they were to look for Benzos they would have to use EMIT, TLC, or RIA Immunoassay, Immunoassays use antigen-antibody interactions to detect illegal substances. Antibodies that bind selectively to certain drugs or drug metabolites are chosen, and the sensitivity and the specificity of this test are only as good as the antibody chosen. The binding is proportional to the amount of drug in the urine and can be detected through enzymes, radioisotopes, or fluorescent compounds.
The RIA test is applied the same way as the EMIT. "The only difference btw RIA and EMIT is that RIA uses radioactive iodine as the detection mechanism rather than an enzyme NAD/NADH rxn which is detected by a scintillation counter" (anon1). The scintillation counter is used to measure the amount of radioactive particles present. Radioactivity is inversely proportional to metabolite level. RIA tests are a little more sensitive than the EMIT, and harder to beat. The most known user of the RIA test is the US government; in particular, the US military. The EMIT is more common because RIA produces radioactive waste, and radioactive waste is difficult to deal with. The US government uses RIA because a company gives the government the instrumentation free in exchange for buying their reagents. So you can see what a pain in the neck and imagine how much it costs for a employer to do the EMIT, TLC, or RIA Immunoassay. If the employer went all out and paid for the advanced full scale pre-screening tests, Benzodiazepines are only detectable by EMIT for 3-7 days. The absolute maximum detection period for Benzodiazepines is 42 days and to do that you need to involve Gas Chromatography / Mass Spectrometry or GC/MS is a two-step process, where GC separates the sample into its constituent parts, while MS provides the exact molecular identification of the compounds. Compounds are separated by GC and are then introduced, one at a time, into a mass spectrometer. As the sample constituents enter the MS, they are bombarded by electrons, which cause the compound to break up into molecular fragments. The fragmentation pattern is reproducible and characteristic, and is considered the "molecular-fingerprint" of a specific compound. Gas chromatography/mass spectrometry is considered to be the most definitive method for confirming the presence of a drug in the urine and is approximately 100 to 1,000 times more sensitive than TLC. Selective ion monitoring has been used to improve the GC/MS results. This procedure is the most costly, averaging approximately $200 per sample to test. so don't count on that for a common drug test. I've taken drug tests for many jobs (some with the Federal Gov.) and most places use a desktop computer with a thing that resembles a coffee machine called an "E-Screen". It probably cost very littlie and tests for the most basic of drugs, company's are not going to spend $200 to test every prospective employee. I took Valium / Diazepam every night last week and I feel confident taking a drug test today. In fact I am taking one today  I'm far more worried about the interview. PM me if you want I'll give you some recourses to look into about drug testing and drug tests. Good Luck!
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dsack
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Klempsch, You don't have to worry about Ultram showing up as an opiate on a standard drug test. I've been wrong at some aspects of drug testing(check my posts), but I can say with 100% full confidence that Ultram(tramadol hydrochloride) will NOT show up as an opiate on a standardized drug test unless it is specifally tested for. Now, I wouldn't just come out and say this just to make you happy, either. The last time I answered a post about drug testing, I was proven wrong in spades. I don't have any desire to get a verbal lashing like that again. But enough of my problems; You are safe.
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TheUnicorn
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They have a product at GNC (behind the counter -$40) that worked for me (benzos). I also have some tests and cleaning products that I got from www.passinganydrugtest.com - haven't had to use, but money back guaranteed. Type in "drug testing" in your search and a lot of different sites and information will come up. Also, certain OTC meds can cause a false positive, such as night time PM. I take Trazodone occationally and it can make a test show up positive for benzos. Make sure you list anything you take upon taking the drug test.
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Klempsch
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dsack... thanks for the reply. That's a relief to me, I haven't been able to find any info on the subject elsewhere. I like my job, and I don't even want to fool around with trying to explain a positive for hydrocodone, even though I get my hydro script from a local pharmacy, so I'm switching to Ultram until the as-yet-undisclosed date I have to get a DOT physical -- I hope they send me soon to get it over with. Thanks again for answering, I appreciate it. Tramadol sure is a weird drug, "pseudo-opiate," but it sure works great for knocking out hydro withdrawal symptoms.
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novashok88
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Those "money back, guaranteed!" deals are a joke that's not very funny to me. It might be OK if the drug test wasn't that important (do those exist?) but if i'm offered a great job or am already making a great living and lose the job because their 'Superior and Guaranteed" product didn't work, I couldn't care less about the $40 spent on the stuff. Sometimes those products work, sometimes they don't. The only way you'll probably know if the stuff actually works or not is if it doesn't (you fail - don't pass go and don't collect $200). If you do get the job you can't be sure whether it was that stuff you paid the bucks for, your recent use or disuse of the meds, natural elimination, computer error or just plain dumb luck that it wasn't noticed. Not that it's something you can worry about if the test is schedlued for the near future, but if a person plans to involve themselves in activities that require a drug test they'd better give a lot of consideration to what they take, how they get it and what the boss will have to say if it comes to their attention. Yep, that completely stinks but that's the reality of it.
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LumbarSpasm
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John, did you get the job? Just wondering how this turned out.
A friend of mine, bought some of that stuff online to clean up his urine. He showed up for the drug test and the company wanted a hair sample. Suffice it to say, he lost out on that opportunity. It was a casino though, not many employers use hair testing.
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johnjacobs
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still waiting on 2nd pass through the interview.... but all should be good now, thanks for all the advice everyone. thank god everything i took was water soluble, but i am growing a little sick of the amount of water ive been drinking, not to mention the w/d symptoms of the benzos
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TheUnicorn
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I also had to take a hair when I got a job working as a bartender at a casino. I passed - don't know how because that was in my "party days". Does anyone know if Soma comes up as positive for anything in a drug test? I'd be curious to know. I also just read that taking 8 325mg of aspirin 4 hours before the test will reduce chances of a positive by 60%. Who knows, could just be an urban legend.
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quincy
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If you have a legitimate reason and a doctors prescription, you shoul have no problems. I work as a lab tech and if the patient lists allmeds they will usually have no problems. I work at a lab so if you need any "tips" then PM me.
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tem33
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Quincy, are you a medical technologist also?
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Trampy
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The best way to pass a drug test is to drink gallons of water every day in the days before the test ... and stop taking the drugs. The only drug that will always stay detectable for more than a few days is chronically-used marijuana because it is fat soluble and stored in fat tissues for long periods. Next up are the benzodiazepines in detectibility after time.
Opiates disappear in a few days at the standard federal cutoff level of 200 nano-grams/deci-liter. The opiate cutoff level was raised by a factor of ten because of all the "poppy-seed defense" cases that mucked up the system. At 200 ng/dl, an average 70-kg person could be ingesting maybe five milligrams a day of an opiate every day right up to the day of the test and still pass ... just do the math and see ... assume 70% bioavailability, a distribution volume of (guessing) 30 liters, and an equilibrium concentration level ... intake rate equals excretion rate.
Tramadol and nalbuphine do not show up in the standard opiate drug screen; they would have to do specific tests for those drugs and that would cost them extra money.
Benzos can stay detectable in your system for a few weeks, depending on what drug it is and how much you use it.
I don't know about how successful shaving your head would be to beat a hair test. They might be able to do a test on eyebrow hair. You might have to shave off all your body's hair. If anyone stoops that low, God help them. Pubic hair? How low could they go?
Me personally? I've never ever taken a drug test and wouldn't apply for a job that required it. But not all of us have that luxury.
The whole system depends on fear and intimidation. If enough people just said no to drug testing, they'd stop doing it except for the "safety sensitive" type of jobs that the federal government is allowed to test for. Any federal law enforcement officer with a gun and a badge should be able to pass a drug test ... and that seems reasonable.
But drug testing of federal employees is covered by the 4th Amendment. They need a reason for the "search" based on the job's responsibilities, access, etc. Most federal agencies are prohibited under the terms of a major federal court decision that banned blanket drug testing of all job applicants. The case in question involved employees of the IRS in the U.S. Treasury Dept. The court decided that only "safety sensitive" jobs could be subject to blanket drug testing and random drug testing.
Some agencies have all of their employees considered "safety sensitive." For example: FBI, CIA, and NSA to name a few. Plus everyone who is under military orders ... including officers of the U.S. Public Health Service and the Coast Guard.
The President (????!!!???) and all his Cabinet officers have to take a drug test before taking office (this was stated in The New Yorker magazine). I have no idea what would happen if we elected a President who failed the drug test. It would be pretty funny, though. He'd have from Election Day to Inauguration Day to dry out ... i'm not sure i'd want a President who couldn't abstain for that long ... or who didn't have a scrip for what he's taking.
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novashok88
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"Me personally? I've never ever taken a drug test and wouldn't apply for a job that required it. But not all of us have that luxury. "
I couldn't have said it better myself... I refuse to work for anyone who demands a sample of my urine, hair, blood, DNA or any other part of me besides testing me to see if i'm physically and mentally up to performance level for the job. But then i've had the luxary of not having/needing a job for the last half-decade or more so that does make it a more simple decision  . 500, hopefully 50, years from now philosophers and prominent thinkers will look back on this dark period of "peeing for employment" as a very dark time and will probably spend lots of time debating what drove us to such insanity. I know the Founding Fathers of my country (USA) wouldn't stand for such a thing and are would probably roll in their graves if they knew the extent that our rights, the rights they fought and died to create and keep standing, that those rights have willingly, even gladly in many cases, been eroded to this sad state.
NS88 - "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness . I think that includes the right to try to live pain-free and reasonably unfearful of Customs or your boss ruining your life over 100 xanax.
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