squirrelgirl5
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Reged: 06/28/02
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Loc: Northeast
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Yes, the same thought occured to me. it would be very hard to keep track of, in terms of both time and manpower. wouldn't be concerned about this ...
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qbird
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Reged: 09/02/02
Posts: 841
Loc: USA
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If you are referring to the double dipping law if your op is domestic, that could be monitored I would assume according to your state's laws. If you are referring to a foreign op, no they would not track it. You need to give more info for your question to be answered. 
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Harry
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Reged: 10/16/02
Posts: 29
Loc: NE
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Approximately 22 states have databases that track the following for a controlled substance's (II, III, IV) class
Patients Name, Address
Name of Drug
Doctor Name
Doctor Address
Pharmacy dispinsing the medication
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blenderbabe59
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Reged: 01/02/03
Posts: 29
Loc: Florida
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Florida has a data base-True story, I was arrested for doctor shoppingin 1995. I went to my 2nd doc in 1 year for antibiotics and wasn't planning on receiving codeine cough syrup. 6 months prior, I had major surgery (neck fusion) I was only prescribed per. for 6 weeks. I rec'd a class 3 felony and probation for 1 year. That year it passed a law that ANY health-care worker convicted of a felony could NOT work in a health care facility. I LOST MY JOb!!!
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Felicia
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Reged: 01/21/03
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Loc: Planet Earth
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Those are two different meds used for two different things.
What am I missing?
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LumbarSpasm
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Reged: 05/07/02
Posts: 1538
Loc: USA
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Harry, I believe I am aware of 11 states with Prescription Monitoring Programs. And the information they pursue and capture varies state to state.
Please post a link to your information...or name the states.
Thanks for sharing the information.
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Luthien
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Reged: 01/16/03
Posts: 100
Loc: Southeast
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Does this all mean I should be concerned about ordering from a U.S. source?!? Confused as to whether you mean overseas or all sources. I don't want to have to function in pain now, because of fear of a knock on the door....
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arabhorse
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Reged: 09/12/02
Posts: 422
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Felicia, if I'm reading it right (and I agree, it's a bit confusing!) it sounds like the two opiate medications might be what triggered it (codeine cough syrup when she only went in for antibiotics and the per. (percodan?) for after her operation).
I do think that's totally ridiculous, though...there should be some legal recourse for that since both conditions were legitimate and it does not sound like the sort of behavior the doctor-shopping laws were intended to prevent...
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Felicia
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Quote:
Felicia, if I'm reading it right (and I agree, it's a bit confusing!) it sounds like the two opiate medications might be what triggered it (codeine cough syrup when she only went in for antibiotics and the per. (percodan?) for after her operation).
I do think that's totally ridiculous, though...there should be some legal recourse for that since both conditions were legitimate and it does not sound like the sort of behavior the doctor-shopping laws were intended to prevent...
Exactly! A doc wouldn't tell you to take percodan for a cough so I just don't see that as doctor shopping at all.
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bdc3r
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Reged: 01/28/02
Posts: 200
Loc: USA
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Were those prescriptions paid for by insurance? Were they both filled at the same pharmacy? The reason that I ask is because the Florida state assembly voted just last year to initiate a prescription monitoring program, however at this time it hasn't been funded. I think that you were a victim of pure bad luck. Or if insurance was involved, then they have their own monitoring system. Anyways, sorry to hear of your misfortune.
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blenderbabe59
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Reged: 01/02/03
Posts: 29
Loc: Florida
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I believe it was using the same pharm(Walgreen's). I had thought nothing about that. It wasn't like I took opiates on a daily basis.Plus, there were personalities involved, inthis small town, Please, I'm sorry to have upset some. I know that I am not ordering anything as of now.But, thats just my perdicment-life's too short to focus on the negative stuff.
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baddad56
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Reged: 10/24/02
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Loc: Midwest
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You posted any unfortunate experience that happened to you. I don't see where anyone's upset. That is what this board is for.
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Felicia
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Reged: 01/21/03
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Loc: Planet Earth
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You haven't upset anyone I just don't understand. If that is all it was and they arrested you then I think you have grounds for a false arrest.
In the past I have received Lortab from my OB/GYN for endometriosis and then a couple of days later received cough meds from my regular doctor. While those meds have ONE common ingredient, they are by no means the same thing. The cough medicine would have never been strong enough to take care of my endo pain and the Lortab would not work for the cold symptoms.
It just doesn't make sense to me and if your situation was exactly like that then I believe that was illegal for them to arrest you.
As far as doctor shopping, I have an OB/GYN, I have a regular doc (I use the doc in the box if I get sick on the weekends), I have a Urologist and I used to have a Neurologist also (that makes a total of 5 docs). Women generally must have at least two docs. Most OB/GYN's aren't doing general care anymore.
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LumbarSpasm
Silent Chaos
Reged: 05/07/02
Posts: 1538
Loc: USA
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State laws differ. You need to know your state laws in order to know what is legal in your state. But for the most part, US OPs don't ship to states that have the more stringent laws. You are relatively safe IMO ordering from US OPs.
Hope this helps.
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Boobetty
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Reged: 12/30/01
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Hi..My question is ..do the states that do not have the monitor systems have to report to the data base of one of the 17 states that do have the monitor system..??? Boo...
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LumbarSpasm
Silent Chaos
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If your state doesn't monitor how would they know to report something...that they didn't monitor? So I think the answer is no.
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Boobetty
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Reged: 12/30/01
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Lumbar..My state does monitor..but FL doesn't...so just wondering...
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jetone
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Reged: 02/12/03
Posts: 5
Loc: Kentucky
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Here in my area of Kentucky, there have been quite a few arrest in the last 6 months for what they call Dr. Shopping. One of these arrest was front page on the local papers and in our local news broadcast for 3 days because they had ordered Lortab from a US Op and they arrested the man upon delivery. It seems he was seeing a couple of local doctors and ordering medications over the Internet also. I will try to find the press release on this and give you more information. This arrest led to about 7 other people being arrested for ordering online and also having a local doctor prescribing medications to them in the same time period. It seems they are watching the Internet more closely now since they know these types of things are becoming more available to everyone who owns a computer. Hope you all have a pain free day, JT.
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Boobetty
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Reged: 12/30/01
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This looks to me that he was using more then one doc and if this is so then his red flags were up anyway...doc shopping in one state would bring a red flad up...and then they would find out about the internet. I would like to see the artical because..there might be way more to this story such as how many the guys was ordering ..but this seems to me that it is not safe to buy on the internet any longer in the system states if you are also ording online...otherwise if your not seeing a doc then I am sure your ok..I am still wondering if Florida HAS to report to the feds there scripts names ect....for me..I have a local doc but he doen't give me enouph medication hence the OP rout...but I only go to one and get all of 60...ooo...I might be screwed anyway now cause I have been doing it for some time.......?????
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dixiechick
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Reged: 11/29/02
Posts: 263
Loc: Deep South
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Ok y'all,
Im confused. How did they know this guy was ordering online? It was my impression that the online OPs werent utilizing the databases. Am i wrong? My online OP is in FL so does that mean that i am not in a database? wOW, this is sooo confusing.
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IMSUSCOT1
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Reged: 10/23/02
Posts: 884
Loc: usa
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I hope there is SOME distinction between people using OP's to treat PAIN and those using OP's for other reasons....There are societal considerations for those who for whatever reason, choose to import steroids. I'm not making a judgement, just offering a different perspective. And there are also side effects that can be problematic(i.e., behavioral)to consider. So, law enforcement may be more inclined to intervene when anabolic steroids are being imported, rather than low dose codine products or soma. Not to say that people haven't been busted for those either, but IMO, the risks are different. And I'm NOT implying those using steroids are bad or SHOULD be harrassed, just pointing out why law enforcement might be more stringent.
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IMSUSCOT1
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Reged: 10/23/02
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This is why it's SO important to READ THE PAPERWORK YOU FILL OUT AT THE DOCOTORS OFFICE (sorry for shouting!). In states with monitoring programs, YOU MUST NOTIFY all treating physicians of other physicians who you are seeing. And it's important for your health, as well. There are many medications that can kill you in combination. If your doctor doesn't know what your taking, it's a danger to your health. HAD the doc who prescribed the cough syrup KNOWN you were taking percodan, he wouldn't have NEEDED to prescribe a codine base cough syrup, because the narcotic in percodan is actually a MUCH STRONGER anti-tussive(read, cough suppressant) than codine is. I'm sorry, but I'm inclined to believe there is more to this story than is presented here, even in the most stringent states, a single, innocent, and isolated incident wouldn't warrant the sentence stated. From the way the post reads, the narcotics weren't even prescribed and taken during the same time period. Something else went on here.
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