TheCleaner
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I know that many people are under the impression that importing no more than a 90 day supply of a med is within the law but I have also heard that this is not true. Could someone clear this up for me? I live in the US, btw. Besides a perscription for the med is it also necessary to have some sort of permit to import it?
Thanks.
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DTZNuff
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I have read the regulations from the FDA and if I'm not mistaken, you can find that right here on this website...... and no where
in the FDA's rules does it say that it is legal to import any
drugs 90 days or not without a prescription. No matter what.
But we all do....sorry. 
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qbird
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Cleaner, this holds true if you have the meds on your person and you are crossing a border such as Mexico or Canada. As far as mail order goes, the fda will not allow prescription meds really as they feel the meds don't meet US standards. I can tell you this from experience unfortunately. This is why the meds are usually hidden when sent to you if from a foreign source. Then if the meds are scheduled, then the DEA won't allow them period. Honestly there is no grey area, it is pretty clear if you read DEA, customs, and FDA requirements. But I have pretty much told you in a nutshell because all that reading can be confusing. I hope I have helped. 
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Trampy
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I know that many people are under the impression that importing no more than a 90 day supply of a med is within the law but I have also heard that this is not true. Could someone clear this up for me? I live in the US, btw. Besides a perscription for the med is it also necessary to have some sort of permit to import it?
Thanks.
First of all, any importation (not hand-carried by a traveler) of a controlled substance requires a DEA permit. DEA allows travelers to bring controlled substances into the country for their own use. See the U.S. Customs web site for more details. There is a lot of confusion between DEA and FDA rules. DEA used to always allow travelers to bring with them a 90-day supply, but they are limiting that now to smaller quantities. Contact Customs for more information if you are entering the U.S. while carrying controlled substances for which you have a prescription.
The FDA (not the DEA) has jurisdiction over the import of drugs that are not controlled substances or "unscheduled"). In 1988 the FDA issued something they called the "Pilot Guidance" for mail importation of non-scheduled drugs. You can probably find it on the www.fda.gov/cder website if you hunt around there, but the best i can offer now is a true copy of it from: http://smart-drugs.net/fda.html :
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FDA Regulations
The following criteria must be met to Import Medications into the United States
It is legal for US residents to import medications from outside the US provided the following conditions are met:
A) The product was purchased for personal use and does not exceed a 3 month supply.
B) The product is not for resale.
C) The intended use of the product is appropriately identified.
D) The patient seeking to import the product affirms in writing that it's for the patient's own use.
E) The patient provides the name and address of the doctor licensed in the US responsible for his or her treatment with the product.
F) The medication is not a controlled substance, e.g. sleeping pills, Valium, narcotics.
Note: Probably 99% of all medication shipments entering the US don't meet the above conditions but the packages are allowed to enter the country anyway. US Customs does occasionally spot check a very small percentage of packages. If one orders medications from offshore often enough, the chances are that eventually US Customs will open and inspect one of your packages. If the package doesn't contain narcotics or controlled substances, they normally reseal the package and release it for delivery by mail. In the very unlikely event that a package is detained, US Customs normally sends a letter informing the recipient that they need to mail a copy of a doctor's prescription or else the package will be returned to sender or destroyed. To repeat, it is not illegal to order medications from abroad for personal use. The official FDA policy on medication importation follows below.
FDA POLICY ON MEDICATION IMPORTATION
July 20, 1988
FROM: Director, Office of Regional Operations
SUBJECT: Pilot Guidance for Release of Mail Importations
TO: Regional Food & Drug Directors, District Directors, Import Program Managers, Compliance Branch Managers, Investigations Branch Managers, Laboratory Branch Directors
INFO: All Major Field Offices, Resident Posts, Division of Field Science, Division of Federal-State Relations, Office of Legislative Affairs.
NOTE: This guidance is being issued on a pilot basis and is subject to change and/or cancellation. If the pilot proves successful, with no significant problems, Chapter 9-71 of the Regulatory Procedures Manual may be appropriately revised.
Because of the desire to acquire articles for treatment of serious and life-threatening conditions like AIDS and cancer, individuals have been purchasing unapproved products from foreign sources. Some of these products are sold over-the-counter in the country of origin, while others are available from clinics where the purchaser was treated. Such products are often shipped to the purchaser by mail.
Even though such products are subject to refusal, we may use our discretion to examine the background, risk, and purpose of these products before making a final decision. To assure that the districts are operating in a uniform manner, the following guidance is provided for dealing with personal use shipments.
1.Except as modified by these instructions, established guidance found in RPM-9-71, exhibits X9-71-1 and X9-71-2 should be followed.
2. A product entered for personal use, which meets the criteria in item 4 below, may proceed without sampling or detention.
3. Products that are not identified, or are not accompanied by documentation of misrepresentation, or an unreasonable health risk due to either toxicity or possible contamination.
In such cases, the appropriate center should be contacted for guidance concerning release of the product.
4. Following detention, shipments may be released to an individual if the following criteria can be satisfied and there is no safety risk-or evidence of fraud:
a. The product was purchased for personal use.
b. The product is not for commercial distribution and the amount of the drug is not excessive (i.e., a three-month supply or less).
c. The intended use of the product is appropriately identified.
d. The patient seeking to import the product affirms in writing that it is for the patient's own use and provides the name and address of the doctor licensed in the US responsible for his or her treatment with the product.
5. If the district should encounter a situation suggesting promotional and/or commercial activity that falls within our health fraud guideline, the district should recommend that an import alert be issued for the automatic detention of the product and identification of the promoter involved.
6. The model letter currently in exhibit X9-71-2 should be revised according to the attached during this pilot.
7. The article may then be released with comment upon receipt of the letter as follows:
[and then their copy comes to an end]
Trampy
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qbird
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The fda still retains the right to detain your meds if they come from overseas. They do it all the time.
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Felicia
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A lot depends on the med and where it is coming from.
Some meds from Canada are not approved by the FDA for use in the US.
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bhamdave
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It just depends on the customs agent.........and the mood that they are in at the time when they inspect the package.
They can keep anything they want to.
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tem33
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Does anyone know if customs will allow ultram to come through?
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lovepink
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Thats entirely up to the individual customs inspector - unless you have an import license, ordering Ultram from overseas is just as risky seizure-wise as ordering opiates. No-one can definitively tell you yes or no - just hope that your order either isn't picked for inspection or if it is, that particular inspector is in a good mood that day. The odds are more with you though than against you.
Good luck!
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qbird
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Any med that comes from overseas can be snatched by the fda by not following their guidelines. It is made very clear in the letters they send you. Believe me I know. It does not matter whether it is a controlled med or not. So yes, customs can detain Ultram or any other med. You always risk that chance when you order from overseas.
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Caveman6666
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It also depends on the import location. Certain places have a much higher seizure rate. Some offshore outfits are aware of this.
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Trampy
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Does anyone know if customs will allow ultram to come through?
It's always a crap shoot. They can seize whatever they want. I've even heard a believable story of a controlled delivery for tramadol. I think some states are in the process of scheduling it (or have already done so). The situation is similar to carisoprodol .. but that's been scheduled in some states since at least 1998.
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