Thanatopium
Member
Reged: 04/22/04
Posts: 117
Loc: The Howling Wastes
|
|
3 confiscations in 1 1/2 months... (2 orders, staggered) and they will absoluely NOT return emails to me...
Totally ignored me for 4 weeks... Not a response, one to 5 emails... Just stonewalling me, hoping I will go away... I have ordered successfully from them since August of last year... Now, I am a nonperson to them.
Personal advice, avoid them... They are hot right now, and to lazy to change their very recognizable, never changing packaging...
--------------------
Please, don't throw me into the briar patch...
|
rsjackal
Newbie
Reged: 03/07/05
Posts: 34
|
|
Post deleted by rsjackal
|
Thanatopium
Member
Reged: 04/22/04
Posts: 117
Loc: The Howling Wastes
|
|
I'll PM you man, its best if kept off the board (you may want to delete that if you get the chance, not that it matters, as they know exactly what they are looking for, obviously...)
--------------------
Please, don't throw me into the briar patch...
|
rsjackal
Newbie
Reged: 03/07/05
Posts: 34
|
|
good idea, done, my bad, that was stupid!
|
Murple
Board Addict
Reged: 09/12/02
Posts: 345
|
|
Its amazing how people keep thinking that if they get lots of seizures from certain countries or OPs, it must be the OPs fault and that changing packaging will somehow fix it. Customs uses x-rays and random inspection, and most mail is sorted by machine, so it really makes no difference at all how stuff is packed as long as they arent writing "ILLEGAL DRUGS INSIDE" on the envelope in 3 inch letters. Mail from some countries is more closely monitored, for example mail from countries associated with IOPS and drug trade (Thailand, Peru, etc) or terrorism (Pakistan). The Philipenes, where Pharm88 is located, are associated with both drug trade and terrorism, so mail from there is obviously going to be more watched than mail from, say, Sweden. Any IOP in a country like this is going to be subject to more seizures, regardless of what they pack stuff in. And look at it from the IOPs perspective... the seizures arent their fault, someone keeps complaining of seizures and wanting refunds or replacements. There's only so much free money a company is willing to give out.
Another thing to consider is that if you keep getting a bunch of intercepted packages coming to your address, you could raise some red flags and end up with more than a seizure. If you have repeated seizures, you might want to consider ordering from a different IOP in a different country in a different region of the world... or not ordering from an IOP at all for a while. Has it occurred to you that maybe you are the one who's "hot" now? Think about it... there's two addresses on a package. One of them is in another country's jurisdiction and could be made up, the other is in the country and has to be deliverable. Which one would you pay more attention to if you were a law enforcement official with Customs?
|
roamingump
Journeyman
Reged: 03/12/04
Posts: 77
Loc: Great Southwest, USA
|
|
Do you really think it's possible for Customs, or HS to target a person or his address?
It's hard to imagine how they could do that. I've had several seizures in the last couple of months and had never had any before that. Something must be going on in that part of the world that we don't know about.
Yes, I agree it's not the IOPs fault, but they could change the packaging around some. The handwriting is always exactly the same. I'd have it memorized if I was Customs or HS.
Just a thought...would it be an option for them to send it to a more neutral country, then "relay" it to the US.
Maybe they should hook up with Pharmaathome.
|
Thanatopium
Member
Reged: 04/22/04
Posts: 117
Loc: The Howling Wastes
|
|
Murple, I am Raver, and have been along as long or longer than you... You have your opinions, but they are only that, opinions, and nothing else... You just state them as fact...
I have never had a seizure from any other country, and time, ever. I get two from this one company after 9 months of no problems, and one total no show I have no proof was ever sent... A close friend received seizures from them and only them, and not 4 other countries in politically unstable parts of the world... All in the last two months... Several others on this thread state the same thing...
No other package has ever been touched... More than ludicrous, your statement are a typical response for those that have no real argument... Blame the victim... The company has no culpability under any circumstnaces in this case...
"She was obviously asking for it your honor..."
It is ludicrous to say I am targeted, having items sent to different names and addresses...
Pharm88 and another site they own both have been getting siezures left and right for around 2 months, after having a record almost without flaw for nearly a year, and it is far from only I getting them...
Lastly, I asked for no full refund or reship, but acknowledgement, and perhaps a compromise... But of course, knowing NOTHING you assume you kinow EVERYTHING about the situation and spout off in ignorance about the ignorance of others...
A pattern you repeat in every forum you have ever "contributed" to, and that you inevitably been ostracized from for your polemic diatribes and self rightious pontificating, and your endless judgements of others based on your imaginary and spurious beliefs as to their behaviors, if you don't assume, you make up whatever would make them sound worst, and declare to the world that is how they act....
All based on nothing but your desire to sound superior.
Go spout your self congratulatory drivel to someone who is cowed by your specious logic and questionable reputation...
I know to much about how things really work to take you seriously.
Back off...
--------------------
Please, don't throw me into the briar patch...
|
Thanatopium
Member
Reged: 04/22/04
Posts: 117
Loc: The Howling Wastes
|
|
I would like to add, they ignored 5 or 6 emails from me outright over a month...
They could at least show token respect for someone who has been a strong advocate of their service, a loyal customer, and consistently polite and understanding in all inquiries, and whom has directed business their way itme after time... They were always quick to respond to positive emails... First snag and *poof* theytreat me like a red headed step child.
It shows a fundamental lack of respect and of courtesy, and that TRUE customer service is not lacking, but vitually non-existent...
Even an email telling me to go to hell would be more polite...
Feel free to potificate some more Murple, anyone reading it will take it for what it is worth... As much as all your other condescending, insecurity and arrogance driven "superior" posts that contribute nothing.
--------------------
Please, don't throw me into the briar patch...
|
rsjackal
Newbie
Reged: 03/07/05
Posts: 34
|
|
Well, I recieved my 1st order from them in 12 days, about 2 weeks ago, and just reordered last night, email (automated I'm sure) was immediate, if I don't recieve my package in 14 days, I'm going to.....uhhhh.....well.....be really mad!!!!
LOL!!
Sorry to hear of your trouble with them Than! I will let you know how it goes, have you tried another email alias? For example, if you're using hotmail, try yahoo, etc..... I have heard of certain emails, never reaching certain suppliers. Best of Luck, keep us posted, and I'll do the same.
|
MRNUTTY
Banned. Found out to be Moderator at OP4L
Reged: 12/15/03
Posts: 485
Loc: east coast. USA
|
|
the couple of no-show shipments for me have always been reshipped no questions asked. only took one email, sometimes i don't get a response; i wait a week, and ask again. been using them for more than 2 years by now, i guess.
--------------------
User banned. Please ignore all posts made by this user. On March 25th, 2005 we found out this user is a moderator at ourprescriptions4less.com
|
jujubean
Member
Reged: 02/12/05
Posts: 191
Loc: USA
|
|
I also just had an order from Pharm88 seized,sent in a regular sized envelope opened with the notice inside.
|
Murple
Board Addict
Reged: 09/12/02
Posts: 345
|
|
Quote:
Do you really think it's possible for Customs, or HS to target a person or his address?
Sure. As most mail is processed by machine (OCR scanners read the destination address) it really would not be hard to make certain addresses spit off into the "manual inspection" basket at the port of entry postal facility. Thats what people dont seem to get. People picture a bunch of people physically looking at and sorting each piece of mail. That hasn't been the case in years. Most mail in the US is machine sorted and most Customs inspections are done at random.
Quote:
Just a thought...would it be an option for them to send it to a more neutral country, then "relay" it to the US.
Some IOPs used to do that, like the South African places near the end were relaying through Australia and England. Im sure some places still do that, couldnt tell you who though.
|
Murple
Board Addict
Reged: 09/12/02
Posts: 345
|
|
Quote:
Murple, I am Raver, and have been along as long or longer than you... You have your opinions, but they are only that, opinions, and nothing else... You just state them as fact...
I am not a "raver" and even if I were, I dont see how that would be relevant. YOU are stating opinions and hearsay. The things I am saying are a matter of public record which you or anyone else can freely research on the USPS, US Customs, DEA and FDA websites and in public statements made by those agencies to the media for various articles. If you'd rather believe what you hear on a forum or posted on some IOPs website in the Philipenes than what the agencies themselves say about how they operate... hey, that's your problem.
Do your own research. The information is available with a little bit of time reading public info on agency websites. If your only sources of information are things you hear from friends, read on DB, or see on IOP sites, then you're doing yourself a major disservice - and if you're ordering controlled medicines, that could be putting you in more risk than you think.
Edited by Murple (03/19/05 05:55 PM)
|
Thanatopium
Member
Reged: 04/22/04
Posts: 117
Loc: The Howling Wastes
|
|
Hey RSJackal...
Good luck to you... I am still waiting for any kind of response to them...
I did try another email account, but so far, nothing...
Murple, if you are giving us documented "facts" then do what any good researcher does, site your sources, lets see a reference...
Or we just have to take it all on faith because you are so far above having to back up your opinions with fact?
I have read extensively... Most of what you say has no bearing on reality.
And if you could read, I did not say you were a "raver", I said that was my nickname, on E-Dot back 10 years ago, Spirit Plants and the Lycaeum... I have seen you around for a decade, and you are still as verbose and withut content as the first post of yours I read...
--------------------
Please, don't throw me into the briar patch...
|
rsjackal
Newbie
Reged: 03/07/05
Posts: 34
|
|
Hi Than,
Just got an email this morning saying my newest order has shipped, and that it may come in more than one shipment, if so "do not panic", all will arrive.
We shall see, hope so, running low on my meds!
|
Murple
Board Addict
Reged: 09/12/02
Posts: 345
|
|
Quote:
Or we just have to take it all on faith because you are so far above having to back up your opinions with fact?
No, you're supposed to do what I've said several times... go to the referenced sites (DEA, FDA, Customs, US Postal Service, Federal Register, etc) and research news articles about various operations by those agencies involving busts for drugs and smuggling other things.
Quote:
I have read extensively... Most of what you say has no bearing on reality.
I can only assume what you've read extensively then are drug discussion forums, which is about as reliable as getting pharmacological and legal advice from a drug dealer at a club. You may as well be reading comic books or the backs of cereal boxes if you're not also reading primary sources... which clearly, you aren't.
But hey, its your sphincter, if you dont feel like educating yourself and you just figure youre untouchable ordering from IOPs and dont bother with precautions, well, its you that'll be Bubba's cellmate. So go on, keep thinking youre untouchable and that Customs and the Postal Service are still using 1960s processing techniques with people sitting around looking at each piece of mail and putting it in chutes. Keep telling yourself that since mail is all processed like that still (even though its been OCR since the 1980s) that you can just keep asking for IOPs to use different packaging and that'll keep you from having orders seized... its your money, if you want to keep throwing it away by ordering from the same places, have fun with that.
It's kind of sad though that your only response to someone telling people about risks of ordering that they should research is to post some irrelevant personal attacks like "I've been in the internet for 10 years and Murple is mean." First of all, if you've only been around 10 years, you're a relative newbie. I've been involved with the online drug scene since 1988... not to mention nearly 2 decades of research and political activism on the subject. Of course, neither that nor my personality mean diddlyfark to the topic at hand. The information is easy to find by visiting the sites mentioned above or using Google or a research site like Lexis-Nexis. I could care less what you think of me and if you don't care enough about yourself to do some research, thats your problem.
I assume most people reading this will care enough about losing their money and possibly their freedom that they'll have the sense to do their own research to find out how the system works and think about ways to reduce their losses. Feel free to keep saying "Murple is mean , don't bother reading for yourself" if you want, only thing you're going to accomplish is making yourself look foolish and petty.
Have a nice day.
|
Thanatopium
Member
Reged: 04/22/04
Posts: 117
Loc: The Howling Wastes
|
|
Just what I thought...
Not a single reference, not a jot of information, nothing.
I have poured over government sites, books, articles and operating procedure manuals, sifted information from any source available. Your basic info may be right, but your extrapolations and assertions are opinion, and opinion only. Suck it up. From what you post, you have wasted several decades of your life, because you only know what you want to know, when it is convenient to feed your ballooning ego...
Tedious little man...
You have no idea what I do for my personal safety, where I have anything sent, how or who, or what. You're just tossing outmore baseless opinions that rest only on your sense of superiority and ultimately, smug self righteous arrogance.
Like always...
Hey jackal... They are honest, in as much as they will send it out, but at this point, it is a crapshoot... Customs knows what they are looking for, and from whom, and if they get through, it is just because the packages are getting lost in the sheer mass of the mail...
--------------------
Please, don't throw me into the briar patch...
|
Murple
Board Addict
Reged: 09/12/02
Posts: 345
|
|
Quote:
Not a single reference, not a jot of information, nothing.
There were plenty of references to information sites, or are you illiterate? That might explain why you've read all this stuff you've claimed to read and not gotten any actual information out of it. I certainly haven't seen you posting even as much as what web sites to go to for information, just a bunch of pointless "Murple is mean I are smart" personal attacks. I'm sure you've convinced oh so many people of your wisdom with your posts here.
Since apparantly Google is too complicated for you, here are links on just one bit of information, the fact that mail is sorted by computer. Since its obvious that your only interest here is to have some personality hissy fit, you probably won't bother doing any actual research... but this might get other people started. And as I've been saying, I think people ought to go to the primary information sources, so... I've given the places to look.
From the US Postal Service itself...
http://www.usps.com/memotomailers/july2001_print.htm
"The Postal Service received funding approval for upgrades to existing letter mail recognition equipment. These enhancements are expected to increase "read" rates for letter mail to 93 percent over the next three years by allowing Optical Character Reader (OCR) and Remote Computer Reader (RCR) equipment to sort a greater percentage of handwritten and machine-printed addresses."
Or http://www.nwfusion.com/techinsider/2004/0119linuxcase.html
"More than 900 Linux machines currently sort in excess of 670 million pieces of mail per day in the Postal Service's 250 mail-sorting sites around the country. ... Computers have sorted mail at the Postal Service since the 1980s, when electronic scanning systems were first installed. Those systems were based on proprietary optical character recognition (OCR) hardware that was controlled by a Digital Equipment VAX system."
This article gives a fairly in depth technical description of how one of the more recent Linux OCR systems the USPS uses works: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4594
Google will turn up dozens and dozens and dozens of articles on automated mail sorting.
But hey, go ahead and keep believing that every piece of mail is still sorted by a bunch of mail workers and customs agents in some giant mail sweatshop somewhere like it was in the 1960s. And hey I'm sooooooo sure that with the whole War on Terror, nobody's given Customs and the USPS any extra money for new technology. Any sensible person knows that these agencies use only 40 year old technology, becayse, you know, Murple is mean! You're welcome to delude yourself all you want, you mean nothing to me. Everyone else here can do their own research and make their own decisions. Go back to fantasy land and stop launching personal attacks.
|
Thanatopium
Member
Reged: 04/22/04
Posts: 117
Loc: The Howling Wastes
|
|
Well no doubt the USPS has a computer system. Gosh, imagine. Someone found a use for computers besides porn.
Your posts get more pointless by the minute.
Customs is also still done by hand, with teams scouring through warehouses, visually identifying packages, as well as using computers.
"stop launching personal attacks."
Good god... All you ever do is "launch personal attacks." Every post you make is condescending, abusive, or self serving.
A hypocrite too, as well as an egomaniacal cretin, imagine. But anyone who has read your scores of admissions to using and buying illegal drugs splattered all over the internet already knows of your hypocrisy.
Admin, if you read this feel free to delete it. I apologize for these posts to everyone here, I am sorry I let this troll drag me into an exchange at his level, and I promise not to engage in any more exchanges with this "well meaning person"...
Murple, old shoe, you are going right in the old "ignore this users posts" column...
Gratefully, I will never need to see your drivel again.
--------------------
Please, don't throw me into the briar patch...
Edited by Thanatopium (03/24/05 01:12 PM)
|
Murple
Board Addict
Reged: 09/12/02
Posts: 345
|
|
More ad hominem attacks and not even so much as a web site to mention. Time for that "report to moderators" button.
|
MRNUTTY
Banned. Found out to be Moderator at OP4L
Reged: 12/15/03
Posts: 485
Loc: east coast. USA
|
|
Quote:
"More than 900 Linux machines currently sort in excess of 670 million pieces of mail per day in the Postal Service's 250 mail-sorting sites around the country. ... Computers have sorted mail at the Postal Service since the 1980s, when electronic scanning systems were first installed. Those systems were based on proprietary optical character recognition (OCR) hardware that was controlled by a Digital Equipment VAX system."
as someone that actually designed some of the VAX systems; i think the postal system is going down hill. linux-schminux, heh!
--------------------
User banned. Please ignore all posts made by this user. On March 25th, 2005 we found out this user is a moderator at ourprescriptions4less.com
|
davidoff
Stranger
Reged: 02/03/05
Posts: 11
Loc: earth
|
|
I always order from pharm 88 and never had problems.
It usually takes around two weeks to arrive.But if your order is always getting seized better change where you get your meds.
Seizures are exeption not the norm,because of the high volume of mails they receive in a day it would be impossible to monitor each and every mail.
|
fleabag
Journeyman
Reged: 06/26/03
Posts: 62
Loc: new england
|
|
seizers are apparently on the rise,that is for sure as it's been well documented on here and other boards.Sent two e-mails to 2 different IOP's today about prices,ordering etc. and not one reply.Try it and see.oh well
|
Murple
Board Addict
Reged: 09/12/02
Posts: 345
|
|
Quote:
Seizures are exeption not the norm,because of the high volume of mails they receive in a day it would be impossible to monitor each and every mail.
Exactly... as I was saying before, most mail is processed automatically by computer. Something like 90-95% of mail in the US is computer sorted. When going through customs there is more inspection by humans, but still, its a pretty small percentage of the whole. They'll randomly pick a mail cart every now and then and run them through an X-ray scanner similar to at airport security, and also some are openned and inspected by hand without an X-ray. Planes of mail coming in from some countries will get more random inspections than others. The majority of mail coming from overseas though is just dumped from the planes mail carts into a chute that feeds into the computer sorting machines and no actual human looks at them until its being sorted for delivery to your home. So as long as a package is of normal size (manilla envelope, small box, etc) it will never be looked at by customs unless its got the bad luck of landing in a random inspection basket. Even most large packages, Customs just doesnt have the time to inspect them all. This has been all over the news since 9/11... the volume of incoming mail and commercial shipping is thousands of times what Customs can inspect.
So, little variations like putting pills in a CD case or taped in a birthday card or put in bags labelled aspirin... that makes little to no difference. A vendor changing how they package stuff isnt going to reduce the risk of random checks, nor will it increase the risk. The only thing a vendor can do to change risk levels is to reship through a less suspicious country like in Europe or Australia, rather than shipping from countries like the Philipenes or Pakistan.
Best way to reduce seizures is to not order from high risk countries (at least not often). Also, to reduce risk of things other than seizures... dont keep a bunch of illegal items around the home, dont order bulk, and dont sign for packages that contain controlled medications. Perhaps this is paranoia, but based on what I've read on Customs/DEA/FDA websites and media articles about various law enforcement operations, seems like those are wise steps... better safe than sorry.
And most important of all... DONT TAKE WHAT YOU READ ON FORUMS AS SOLID INFO!!! Things like DB are great for some things, but you really have to go to the primary sources and research the way the system works. Educate yourself, decide what risk levels youre comfortable with, and base your decisions on what you get from reading this info.
|
janeR1960
Banned: asking for help to forge medical records
Reged: 10/23/04
Posts: 25
|
|
I have been doing this for well over a decade and i have lost some along the way. I HATE IT. But don't know the how much i have saved in the old days ordering from forgein rx's and the avaialability, the selection. It's fluctuatied over the years and my heart is warmed by the few who sell so cheaply and un untill some forgein operation tells them oyo could be getting $ $ $$$$$$$ and it 's downhill from there.
|
jujubean
Member
Reged: 02/12/05
Posts: 191
Loc: USA
|
|
In a previous post a few weeks ago I had an order seiezed by customs.Pharm88 resent and order arrived within 2 weeks.I think they are a good operation.Would use them again.
|
theborg
Old Hand
Reged: 10/20/02
Posts: 450
Loc: City of Champions
|
|
I'm a regular user of Pharm88 but I have never ordered their Fioricet. Does anyone know if it is good quality?
--------------------
Forget your fears and want no more.
|
Previous
Index
Next
Threaded
Edit 
Reply 
Quote 
