Melody
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Please use this thread to discuss Dilaudid (hydromorphone hydrochloride)
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cesoir
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Dilaudid is an effective pain med, a stronger opiate than Oxycodone and hydro.
It's usually more effective IV than when given orally.
Lots of people complain they feel oral dilaudid's a waste, or useless, however, they will often confuse the lack of the high with unsuccessful pain treatment.
next year Palladone will hit the market, and it will release dilaudid over 24 hours. It comes in 12, 16, 24, 32 mg capsules.
I am sure it will feel more effective to patients, as the majority of the drug will be releasing into the intestinal tract rather than in the stomach. Should be a good drug - let's hope it doesn't become the center of a media circus.
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zippy66
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Does it make you sicker than oxycodone or is the nausea pretty much the same? Its rated as one of the strongest pain meds out there, hydromorphone and has been the source of many an accidental overdose. Any more experiences would be appreciated.
Zip66
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Bigjohn23
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http://www.drugs.com/MTM/hydromorphone.html
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Hydromorphone "Dilaudid"
Hydromorphone is widely known by the brand name Dilaudid. Dilaudid is one of the most powerful narcotics known to man. Dilaudid is probably the most powerful pharmaceutical narcotic in existence. Dilaudid is the pharmaceutical drug that is very similar to heroin in terms of the way it affects the body. These are the reasons it is often called "drug store heroin" on the streets. In some ways Dilaudid is preferable to heroin. This is true because with Dilaudid there are no harmful cutting agents. Heroin can contain cutting agents unknown to the user. Additionally, unlike heroin, with Dilaudid the exact dosage amount is known.
Although Dilaudid is very popular, Department of Health and Environmental Control (DHEC) and Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) tightly monitor it. These controls cause the street price of Dilaudid to be extremely expensive relative to other narcotics. Dilaudid is most often seen on the streets in tablet form. The average street price of Dilaudid (known as K-4s because of the "K" on one side of the tablet and a "4" on the other) is between $40.00 to $60.00 each.
Dilaudid is often obtained in small quantities by theft from a relative for whom the medication was legally prescribed. In larger quantities, drug store break-ins and organized crime are the likely source.
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elbowguts
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Does it make you sicker than oxycodone or is the nausea pretty much the same? Its rated as one of the strongest pain meds out there, hydromorphone and has been the source of many an accidental overdose. Any more experiences would be appreciated.
Zip66
My experience is that the nausea is significantly less than oxy. When I was discharged from the hospital after back surgery, they scripted dilaudid rather than percocet because I was still having a hard time with nausea from anesthesia (and hospital food :-)
The "buzz" of oral dilaudid is very subtle but I found it a very effective pain reliever.
As to the post that dilaudid is one of the most potent narcotics, I suppose it's all relative. Fentanyl is at least ten times as potent.
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cozmoford
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I use both Fentanyl 75 and Dilaudid 4 for pain. Obviously Fentanyl is the most potent and effective pain med Ive found. I just started on the Dilaudid, after 2 years of Lortab 10's for my break thru pain, Dr reccomended these instead. Funny thing is the Lortab seemed more effective. Im wondering why that is.....Hmmmmm
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gad2112
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Where could one order these pills ?
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gumster
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I lived in a college town during the late 90's and to this day they have a terrible problem with OxyContin. I think there will be a new epedimic of deaths soon. This is not the fault of the drug companies for making effective pain medicine, and it is not the doctor's fault for prescribing it. Is it the addicts' faults for being addicted? I am afraid because the most potent form of Dilaudid ever (Hydromorph Contin®) has been approved. it comes in a "low" dose of 12mg and a high of 32mg. We are talking 3-8 K-4 Dilaudid here. I hope the time release is gelled or somehow abuse proof, if you could scrape off the coating like people who died from Oxycontin did then look foward to people od'ing all over again. The same type of people who died shooting up an OC 80 will die ingesting 32 mg of Dilaudid. How are we to take this, I mean the companies' are making STRONG pain relievers, but are the doctors prescribing it, and if so, are they always prescribing the proper doseages. Why do all the kids on the street have OC 80's in their pockets and my grandmother, who has so many ruptured, swollen, and herniated disks in her back that she can barely walk, can not even get a script for Lortab. My Uncle, her son-in-law, is a doctor and the niced S.O.B. that he is prescribed her 12 5mg Lortab, no refills. ?!?!?!?!?!?!!? Almost seems like the drug companies produce effective pain treatments and then just allow as much as possible to make it into the streets, but not into the hands of the patients. Don't V-cut Valium and K-cut Klonopins, H-cut Halcions, Oxycontin with OC on one side and a nice imprint of the dose (80) on the other, dont they seem kind of like they are made to be sold outside of normal means. (doctor/pharm). I guess I am just on a rant because of my grandmother's struggles and the fact that I watched for years college rich kid punks easily access the medicine my grandmother needed and could not obtain from a medical institution. She suffers to this day and soon a bunch of rich fraternity kids are going to cook up a 32mg Dillie and drop flat on their face. I guess I also have this dillusion of granduer in thinking that the pharm companies realized they were sanctioned and licensed drug dealers. I just am sooooo confused why the cure is there for people like my grandmother, but the doctor sees no need to give her access, but somehow people who do not need these things are getting them, so we have good people in pain, and drug abusers are dead from O.D's, something is just not right and I can not even put it into words in this long a-- post. Thanks for reading my rambling.
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cozmoford
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Well after 2 days of dilaudid I can see why Dr prescribed it is the 1st time in a very long time that I feel almost pain free.....and not really any side effects.....So far so good. : )
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eolson55
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I understand your feelings completly my father in-law died of a stroke last year and he was in so much pain we could not roll him over to change his diper. They prescribed 5mg of hydro and refused to return my calls when i said it was not working. They sent four different physical therapists out who all said he was in sever pain but they did nothing. When i left a message that i had tripled his pain meds they seem to find the time and resorces to have me investaged through social services but they just could not find the time to help poor Dick.It was absoultly discusting and terifiying to watch this happen for he was totaly dependant on me for help. I have aways taken some comfort in the thought that i could end my own life or go down town and talk to Dr. feelgood on the street corner if things got to bad for me, but if you have a stroke you loose these options and you are at the merice of our wonderful medical system. Very, very scary. Good luck your grandmother
Eric
Edited by eolson55 (01/15/05 07:25 AM)
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gumster
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Thank you Eric, that means alot.
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sanjuro
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I wish it was easier to get this on the internet.
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Foxglove
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Yeah, don't we all. Can you believe that just 100 years ago, you could walk into a pharmacy and get Morphine, Laudnum and the like over the counter, and heres the kicker the Druggist would actually "suggest" the drug over many other remedies of that time!
What has happened to our sad country, we are so busy trying to maintain an image, that we now look at medication as a taboo thing, and it doesn't stop there. Well hopefully one day America will pull it head out of its arse!
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scarecrow1
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I happened on some d4's and tried 1 I didn't feel anything, but after reading some of these post it looks like I didn't give them long enough. Alot a people including myself measure pain killers by the high we get at first. The truth is I need pain relief not a buzz. That you can get anywhere. I have severe fibromyalgia and have trouble finding pain relief, Hydro don't last and just take the edge off, percs work but just don't last long enough. does anyone know the dosage and half life of dillies? And GUMSTER, I totally relate my mother going through the same thing, she's in a wheelchair with ostoarthritis and Is in son much pain she can't get out of the bed on her own she was taking darvocet n 100's and the dr retired, and being on medicad she had to take the dr they assign you. The dr preceeded tak all off her meds away cold turkey after 10 years, and refused to give her anything for pain. There's something wrong with this world, we wouldn't treat animals that way. I truly feel for your grandmother, have you considered taking her to the emergency room? They are more sympathetic to older people with pain. Just an idea.
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daddyj
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http://www.drugs.com/MTM/hydromorphone.html
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Hydromorphone "Dilaudid"
Hydromorphone is widely known by the brand name Dilaudid. Dilaudid is one of the most powerful narcotics known to man. Dilaudid is probably the most powerful pharmaceutical narcotic in existence. Dilaudid is the pharmaceutical drug that is very similar to heroin in terms of the way it affects the body.
No offense or anything, I don't go around bashing people trying to disseminate useful information, but I can tell that what you posted was copied from the drugs.com link, and it's filled with the usual government hooey.
First of all, Hydromorphone is a very powerful narcotic, However, it, like Morphine, is much more effective when taken IV or IM rather than oral. Before anyone jumps me about that, I will admit upfront that I haven't the time to research whether the liver clears it out of the blood on the first pass like morphine, but my favorite equianalgesic tool: http://www.globalrph.com/narcotic.cgi states that 10mg of oral Dilaudid is equal to 2mg of IM Dilaudid, which is a 5 fold increase in effectiveness, compared to an approximate 3 fold increase in effectiveness between using IM Morphine and Oral Morphine. Note: This is a very handy dosage converter for narcotic analgesics.
That said, it is not "the most powerful pharmaceutical narcotic in existence" and it is "very similar to heroin in terms of the way it affects the body" only in the same way that codeine is very similar to heroin in terms of the way it affects the body. Fentanyl is MUCH MUCH stronger mg for mg. 10 mg of IM Morphine is equal to 0.2 mg of Fentanyl. That's quite a difference and that's why they can make Fentanyl patches. Now that's a strong narcotic. Also, Oxymorphone is slightly more potent than Hydromorphone, in the same way that Oxycodone is more potent than Hydrocodone.
Also, Heroin (Diamorphine) is extremely potent and very different for one principal reason. The Di prefix means 2, and pharmacologically it means that when it crosses the blood/brain barrier, the molecule effectively splits into 2 molecules, one is plain old morphine and the other a closely related compound (I forget the name, but it is a very similar, very potent narcotic agonist) which means that for every molecule of Diamorphine that is injested, effectively 2 narcotic molecules enter the brain, which is why there is an extremely fast onset and a "flooding" of the mu opiate receptor sites in the brain.
That said, I have found oral dilaudid to be an almost waste of time. It did nothing to relieve my pain, much less "give me a buzz". Except for a clinical setting, where IV's can be administered by professionals, I think you're better off sticking with narcotic analgesics that are better suited for oral usages like Hydrocodone and Oxymorphone.
Trivia fact: When one takes Hydrocodone, even though Hydrocodone is a mu receptor agonist in and of itself, a portion of the Hydrocodone is converted to Hydromorphone in the liver via the same mechanism that converts Codeine into Morphine.
Good luck to everyone and I wish everyone painfree days and compassionate doctors such as I have found.
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Nunez108
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I wanted to know how I can get dilaudid for severe pain in my back . My doctor will not prescribe this med for me.
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Kit Kat
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KATIE; I wanted to know what is the strongest pain med you can order online?
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Nunez108
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I need to knoe if I can get dilaudid without a prescription, my doctor will not prescribe this med for my severe back pain
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KATIE; I wanted to know what is the strongest pain med you can order online?
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edward73
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Try another doctor who understands you condition. You wont find it on the net.
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AngelWolf13
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nunez,
if you're looking for a way to get sch II drugs from this site, you've come to the wrong place.
it almost looks to me like you're le or some media related person looking for a hot story trying to seduce some poor unsuspecting member to divulge their "secret" oxycontin" source to you. i'm not saying that you are, so please correct me if i'm wrong!
i also noticed on your profile that you listed "KIDS" as your hobby, and yet you are still trying to obtain such sch II drugs as per your "comments" as oxycontin, percocets, tylox and etc. including some other more popular, yet less restricted drugs. i don't know, that just sparked up "red flags" for me.
please do a little research here. sch II drugs are NOT to be found here. the ops that list them are pretty much all RIP-OFFS or are run by crooks and discredited by the good folks here at db.
btw, you didn't say what your doctor WILL prescribe for you for your severe back pain. if you have been seen by a doctor recently, then try to check out some of the rops (records online pharmacies) by clicking on the us link on the top of the db toolbar. send in a copy of your pertinent records and they might be able to rx you something that you need. you will have NO PROBLEMS with the PROPER RECORDS.
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