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DrugBuyers
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http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2005/012005/01302005/1641111
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It is far too easy to buy dangerous narcotics online
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Internet access to dangerous drugs is a serious problem for patients and physicians
Date published: 1/30/2005
IN THE MAD and stressful world of family practice, the patients who cause us the most anguish are those on narcotic pain medicines.
These are the patients you worry about. The vast majority are wholesome, responsible, unfortunate pillars of society, but there are a few who give you pause.
Are you over-prescribing? Are you creating a narcotic addict? Are they taking you for a ride and just getting high--or worse, selling their medicines?
Or are you going to be the next patsy to be pounced on and have your license revoked for over-prescribing? "Big Brother," in the form of the Food and Drug Administration, is always watching.
The whole business is highly regulated. You have to have a medical license. Even physician's assistants--who usually can do pretty much anything a doctor can do--cannot prescribe the stronger narcotics. Some doctors won't prescribe narcotic pain medicines at all. (The literature notes that pain is under-treated, but that's another article.)
The world of cyber-drugs
It therefore blew me away when Sally (as we shall call her; it's not her real name, but she is willing to share her story as a warning to others) blithely told me she was feeding her drug habit with an unlimited supply of hydrocodone.
Sally is a nurse who was on hydrocodone for a back problem, and she developed a drug dependency. She told me she simply ordered as much as she wanted online from several of the billions of Web sites that any Tom, Dick or Harry--or child--can access from their home computer.
"I just filled out a questionnaire," Sally told me, and, lo and behold, a couple of days later there was a little FedEx package with her hydrocodone.
She did note that a supposed doctor called her back after she filled out the questionnaire to check a few details on the medical history. But she didn't tell them she was ordering from several Web sites, and thereby taking up to 30 pills a day.
Sally is now in treatment for her dependency. She points out that "it's easy to lie" to get your drugs--a problem not unique to buying drugs online, but which confronts us in face-to-face prescribing, as well.
Patients tell you they're in terrible pain and need more medicine. You have no blood test or X-ray to refute that, so you can get suckered into prescribing ever-bigger doses.
Government tests the waters
As reported in The Free Lance-Star last August, the congressional watchdog organization, the Government Accountability Office, took an interest in this problem and did a little shopping for themselves to test the waters.
They ordered 68 samples of 11 different types of drugs from the U.S., Canada and other countries. Sometimes they had to fill out a questionnaire, sometimes they had to consult with a "cyber doctor," sometimes they had to join a "drug club."
But only in 6 percent of cases did the online pharmacy require a prescription from the patient's doctor. Incidentally, the GAO did not always get the drugs it ordered; sometimes it got different drugs.
It is far too easy to get any of a multitude of potentially harmful/addictive drugs online--benzodiazepine and nerve medicines such as Xanax and Valium are at the top of the list in popularity. But you can get all sorts, including the infamous narcotic OxyContin.
Reported in the press and the medical literature are multiple tragedies as a result of this situation. Eighteen-year-old Californian Ryan Haight bought hydrocodone online and died in his bedroom of an overdose. The pharmacy he bought from was created by a young entrepreneur Clay Fuchs, who netted $8 million in the 15 months it operated. The prescription was "legitimized" by ex-con doctor Robert Ogle, who had previously been jailed for illegally prescribing addictive medicines, according to The Washington Post.
Or there's the man who didn't heed his doctor's advice and purchased Viagra online, then died of a heart attack while trying it.
It is impossible to estimate how many addictions and dependencies are fed from the Internet. But anyone with a computer knows about the billions of products online offered for their pain, anxiety, erectile dysfunction, whatever.
There are multiple regulations and numerous bodies overseeing the prescribing of restricted drugs. So how can it be that, as Prevention magazine put it in its own investigation, "anyone can get any drug at any time without a prescription"?
The mercurial Internet
Much blame seems to rest on the mercurial nature of the Internet. Pharmacies can set up very credible-looking Web sites, but then disappear overnight with no trace. Furthermore, Web sites outside the borders of the U.S. create jurisdictional problems.
At a Senate hearing last June to review the findings of the GAO-- a hearing at which Ryan Haight's mother testified--the director of a health-care team, Marcia Cross, responded to a question on how many Internet pharmacy Web sites were safe and honest by noting that because the Internet is "changing constantly," it was not possible to say.
So doesn't that make you feel good?
The National Association of Boards of Pharmacies is offering a voluntary program where pharmacies can be listed as Verified Internet Pharmacy Practice Sites. But, as of the time of the hearing, only a measly 14 of those innumerable sites were certified, which doesn't do much to quell one's fears that there are an awful lot of entrepreneurs and charlatans out there.
In a New York Post article, the online drug issue was described as "an epidemic waiting to happen." But there is a need/market for the discounted online prices, what with the cost of drugs being so high, and little old ladies going broke trying to afford them.
That's a point the Democratic senator for Arkansas, Mark Pryor, made at the hearing when claiming Congress needs to enact some kind of regulation--but also needs to consider the underlying issue of what is driving consumers to risk their health by purchasing drugs from unfamiliar resources.
I find the discrepancy--between the fanatical regulation of prescribing by well-intentioned doctors versus the easy availability of life-threatening addictive drugs online--to be just a little bit daft.
One eminently sensible solution suggested at the GAO hearing by Sen. Norman Coleman, chairman of the government affairs permanent subcommittee on investigations, was that Internet sites should not be allowed to dispense without a prescription.
But don't expect a bunch of politicians to do anything too fast or too sensible. The issue was put on hold pending the report from the Department of Health and Human Services Task Force on Drug Importation.
And meanwhile, I'll just keep an eye out for patients who seem to be a little more spaced out than they should be from what I have prescribed for them.
DR. PATRICK NEUSTATTER can be reached at
Date published: 1/30/2005
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prettyday
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I can't help feeling a little bit of "irked" on the part of the dr., too, that he went through all this for his license and now, he wants to be the one to write.
Power is a biggie for many people.
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First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
- Mahatma Gandhi
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Exzene
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Reged: 11/15/04
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COUNTING TO TEN - COUNTING TO TEN - COUNTING TO TEN 
As I sat and read this article. I shutter at the absolute unchanging excuses given by docs that under prescribe:
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are you going to be the next patsy to be pounced on and have your license revoked for over-prescribing? "Big Brother," in the form of the Food and Drug Administration, is always watching.
And of course the Even More Overused "What about the Children" Excuse!
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the billions of Web sites that any Tom, Dick or Harry --or child-- can access from their home computer.
Being not only a pain patient but also a healthcare provider for nearly 19 years now I find the fear and the prejudice appalling. Honestly, How many people really would continue to pay the prices that the OP's and NROP's charge if they had doctors that were taking appropriate care of them. I Truly doubt that these OP's could support themselves on the few recreation users and multi-OP users that are out there. But as long as we have doctors out there like this guy, who refers to his pain patients as:
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the patients who cause us the most anguish are those on narcotic pain medicines.......unfortunate pillars of society,
I ask Dr. Neusatter and all doctors like him;
Why is it, that your biggest concern for the chronic and intractable pain patient is Addiction? And not the Relief, Source, and Cure, for their pain?
May you Follow one of your Colleagues
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"May I care for others as I would have them care for me."
D. G. D. MD FACS
Well I guess enough of my Rant...
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What do you call the person that graduates lowest in their class at Medical School??
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Arielle
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Reged: 01/25/05
Posts: 18
Loc: Way Down South
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"drug club"
This is appalling, infact the entire article makes my stomach turn. What is it going to take?? With all of the "miracle drugs" causing such needless suffering, we still read articles such as these....
Arielle 
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sanjuro
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Reged: 01/24/05
Posts: 37
Loc: New England
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In the future, things may be different. A new way of teaching doctors understanding of the human condition when it is in pain that requires intervention with narcotics. The key to changing doctors, the government, etc. is that they must break the relativity barrier. I remember growing up I would go through something painful and say to myself "this is so painful, I will probably not experience anything more painful than this for the rest of my life", however of course, I was wrong, and I did experience things more painful indeed. The key is that, as far as curriculum goes for doctors, they must be subjected to the pain of their patients and develop an understanding and compassion. I believe this would work, as I have seen a lot of things in life that leads me to believe that survival overrides everything, it is the most important thing for a human.
It is the sacrifice a real doctor must go through to save others. I would imagine a sort of virtual device in the future that would allow doctors to actually feel certain pain, physical as well as psychological, but that the pain wouldn't be permanent and the nature of the program would not lend itself to any shock of the system.
And anyway, one of the problems with the government is that it is run by humans.
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oscar1
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Reged: 07/25/04
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This morning I heard on the news that a certain Kentucky law maker was headed back to Frankfort today to try and introduce a bill to make it illegal for anyone to buy medication over the net. (I don't know if it is good idea to use his actual name here but you can pm for it). Oh and as a side note Ky still can't come up with a budget! So this joker plans tack on an admendment to a bill and add more legislation to a system that can't even agree on a budget! Sorry about getting side tracked but that goes to prove the point of some people's intellegence.
The reporter went on to state that this bill did not cover only "narcotics" but all medications. This law maker was quoted by the reporter as also "saying that anyone who is old enough to know how to work a computer and has access to a credit card can order any type of medication out there by checking off boxes and typing in their own symptoms. What is he worried that my 6 yr old is going to get hooked on Viagra? Just because he can use a computer and knows where MY credit card is kept? In essence I feel like this law maker was stating those who do order their medications over the net are liars or are addicts. What about families who send in to their insurance co. for medications? Would they also be considered addicts?
With that said I hope a lot of the law makers finds themselves and/or their family without medical insurance one day. (In our situation it is 3 children who have asthma 2 of which are severe and a wife that has panick attacks and is claustrophobic)!
Our family is currently in the process of trying to find new doctors. Due to the fact 1 of our sons uses Advair everyday to contain his asthma symptoms, yet as of Jan 1 of this year our doctors decided they wanted to "see" every patient they have who are on maintance medications every 3 months to "re-evaluate" their condition to the tune of $70.00 a trip. My son is 14 yrs old and has had asthma since the age of 18 mths. Advair comes in 2 doses and the dose he has been using for 2+ years has kept his asthma in check except for an occasional flare up. This to me is a crock of s**t and just another way for local docs. to get money from either the insurance companies or from their patients. I also believe a lot of doctors stand behind this type of bill due to the fact their 2nd home monthly condo mortgage needs to be paid or their college tution needs to be paid off and what's a better way to do it than to keep uping the charges on their paitents?
Sorry but I find that just as (if not more) revolting as those who abuse the internet system by dding or worse.
Just my 2 cents worth (or more) for the day!!!

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