CARLITOS_WAY
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Schedule II meds can not be called in (unless in an emergency and they have to supply the pharmacy within 72 hrs with a written script). The script must be written completely by the DR.(not nurse writes it out and Dr. signs it). It must be written in black ink and no refills. Schedule III, IV and V can be called in and refilled by phone or fax. Any schedule II meds obtained on the internet would be in Violation of Federal Law, and most likely State law. The State can make the rules on dispensing schedule II meds more stringent, but not easier to obtain than the Federal law. Feds always trumps States. Also ignorance of the Law is no excuse when it comes to indicting someone. This is (was) the laws regulating Class II meds from the 1970's, or earlier, but some of it may have changed by now, but seriously doubt it was changed to a more lenient process.
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AngelWolf13
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carlitos way is correct! this is a federal law.
i have a monthly rx for a sch.II drug. MUST be in triplicate. CANNOT be faxed or called in. NO refills. and there CANNOT be one single error on the script. no TYPOS, not a single word misspelled, nothing crossed out either. in fact, they are so strict about the triplicate forms themselves, the doctor is not even allowed to rip one up if he or she makes a mistake filling it out. my new doctor won't even let me say a word while she is filling it out. the RX REQUIRES BY LAW that i physically see and confer with my doctor each and every time i need my prescription refilled. if i miss an appointment i am SOL for meds and i have to reschedule before i can get the script. if i LOSE the script, then i go WITHOUT meds for a whole month, no ifs, ands, or buts. and the rx is only good for 1 or 2 weeks (2, i think) and then it becomes VIOD. they actually have to DOCUMENT each doctor's visit i have in detail and submit it in with one of the copies on the triplicate to prove that i was really seen. i am NOT making this up. yes, it is a MAJOR pain in the [censored]! but you gotta do what you gotta do. i am lucky to be able to get the rx in the first place.
i know it is a federal law. but i remember when i was still in hawaii i used to get my sch.II meds on the regular (single copy) rx paper(this was in the 80s), and i remember getting refills. no one ever questioned anything. at that time i had no idea about drug schedules or anything. so a couple of years ago i asked my doctor about that (this was after i had moved to so cal) and he said that sch II drugs always required a triplicate and all that nonsense. i told him that the laws must vary from state to state, but he told me NO, that it was a federal law. i don't know, perhaps before, doctors weren't so strict, even though the laws existed. but i do know that today they're really cracking down. doctors have too much at stake nowadays to take any chances by not following the law to the letter.
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DigitFreedom
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This is my understanding as well! Percocets (oxycodone), and other pain meds of this level, can not legaly be called/faxed in... it always takes a hard copy of the 'script.. I have never heard of domestic parmacies shiping this stuff without a hard copy of the 'script being carried to them (not faxed or called in). A doctor is supposed to always have a real visit with the patient before writing such a script, and NO refills are allowed (to my knowledge).
I hope more can elaborate on this.
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Pickledoo
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I can elaborate a little. I see my ortho about every 6 weeks. At that time he will write out a script for my Percs. Only one copy no triplicate. Then in 2 weeks I can call the office for my refill if I need to. They cannot call it in, I have to pick it up then take it to the pharm. I live in NH so I'm sure the laws are different elswhere.
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BamaChica
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yep the above posts are right, I am an RN and when working in the ER, on several occasions we have had pts ask us to call in meds etc when the "candy man dr" was working..and we could not under any circumstances. Depending on what dr you have we couldnt even write the script for some narcs...they wanted to write it as to make sure if any error's were made, they would were the one's making them, which is JUST FINE with me...less work!!My son has ADHD and has to take Metadate, and it is a sched II! so every month I have to drive an hour to pick up his script,because the dr cannot call it in.
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muphoric
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The laws DO vary from state to state. Where I live (SD) Schedule II drugs MUST be written scripts, but they are not triplicate. They do not allow refills on sch II. Schedule III however, CAN be called in, and can have refills. Some states have much tighter laws. There are basic federal laws that have to be followed, but some states have opted to be more stringent. I know this from experience. I have had scripts for both sch II & III.
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AngelWolf13
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muphoric,
that's what i thought too. from my experience, when i was still living in hawaii my ritalin rx was written on single copy scripts. i never even knew about triplicate scripts till i moved to california. when i explained this to my doctor he was skeptical.
i'll have to ask my sister if she needed a triplicate to get her percs. she still lives there.
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txgoddess75
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I know in Texas that they are triplicate, as well. I have to pick up my daughter's Metadate CD and Ritalin prescriptions at the doctor's office every month in person. They also have to be filled within seven days of the date on the prescription. Pharmacy requires me to pick them up before the 7 days is up, as well, but I don't know if that is required by law or their policy. I just wait on 'em now. Such a pain.
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FatWang
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I must be crazy, because Medco Health fedexed me morphine and oxycodone in spring of 2004. I never even saw the prescription. The fedex guy was let in by the doorman, he walked to my door, and I signed for it. Once I think my wife signed for it. That was in Illinois. I was told by an exec at Walgreens (former client) that they do the same process. Everyone is right on the " no refills", but I swear that I received the meds. The only difference I noticed is that they overnighed the meds and I need to sign for them.
My question is how the hell can one pick up a CII unless it is something like ritalin? I was never in a position to walk to the pharmacy. Even when I got sick as a young man my mother would leave the hospital with my meds. Perhaps Illinois is just a cool state, or I am delusional? Don't answer the latter question.
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ladydociii
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Metadate, and it is a sched II! so every month I have to drive an hour to pick up his script,because the dr cannot call it in.
I take Concerta--different name--same basic chemical structure. I call my Doc's office a few days before I'm going to run out & he MAILS me the prescription. NO WAY would I have time to come from work (1 hour South of where I live) to the Local Medical Director of Community Mental Health's offc (an hour North EAST of where I live)--at, really, any point in time. I'm glad that I've been seeing the same Doc for many years and have some trust! It also helps when I talk about a symptom of my illness and a Doc solicitously asks, "...and how is your mental health today? I'm concerned." b/c I can refer them to the very well known psychiatrist who will tell them I've been symptom free for years. LD3
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harley88
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It is possible to get oxycontin from perdue-pharma fedex,ed dircet right to your door .They offer financial assistance for people that quailfy .The prescription has to be mailed to them after they approve your application. If the appilication is approved the meds are free except for a small fee for the shipping .Just log onto their site for more info or check out www.needymeds.com that has links for very large nummber of drug companies that also offer assitance.It is also possible to get asisstance with duragesic patchs and have them shipped as well .The company that makes Kadian[morphine] offers this type of program as well.You never know you might just qualify for one of these programs and get most of your meds free or at a lower cost .I checked into it and was able to get everything I normally have prescribed except for one med.
As far having a classII drug called in .I have had percocet and tylox called in before for me .It may or may not have been legal but I have had a couple of doctors call them in before for me.
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sally_ny
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It is possible to get oxycontin from perdue-pharma fedex,ed dircet right to your door .They offer financial assistance for people that quailfy .The prescription has to be mailed to them after they approve your application. If the appilication is approved the meds are free except for a small fee for the shipping .Just log onto their site for more info or check out www.needymeds.com that has links for very large nummber of drug companies that also offer assitance.It is also possible to get asisstance with duragesic patchs and have them shipped as well .
Needymeds.com is a great site to get you going on patient assistance programs. But with the Duragesic Patches what they do is have your dr fill out a form and fax it to them with the script wrote on it. Then they will send you a card in the mail and you take it with a written rx from your dr that he has to write every month and you have to go pick up and take it to the pharmacy with the card and they will fill it for free. It is a great program and the guidelines are not to bad!
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harley88
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sally_ny,I have never actually had any experience with the duragesic program myself and may have misquoted what I read about it incorrectly on the needymeds website.I have however had a small amount of experience with perdue's oxycontin program.
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trixxie
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It is possible to get oxycontin from perdue-pharma fedex,ed dircet right to your door .They offer financial assistance for people that quailfy .The prescription has to be mailed to them after they approve your application. If the appilication is approved the meds are free except for a small fee for the shipping .
harley88
Perdue is no longer taking new apps for oxycontin. Surprising considering the amount of money they make.
I would go the other route mentioned by harley88, the needymeds.com site.
I see my PM doc every three months, and he post-dates the scripts for CII meds, and then I fill them on the date filled in.
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toe
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I see my PM doc every three months, and he post-dates the scripts for CII meds, and then I fill them on the date filled in.
That's illegal.
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bogside
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When I go to John Hopkins Pain Clinic the scripts are not triplicate and the Nurse writes them out in front of me and leaves to have the Dr Sign. That is for Oxy.
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PJoseph
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I am pretty sure Schedule 2 drugs can be mailed legally just like any other package.
The strict regulations come on the script presentation side of the process.
In Illinois, it's a fairly recent regulation that Sched. 2s can't be faxed to the pharmacy-with the original script immediately being mailed to the pharmacy-for filling.
It now has to be handed to the pharmacist by you or mailed to the pharmacy directly from the doctor.
It also used to be legal to have the Doctor mail the script directly to the patient's home from the Doctor.
That also is no longer legal in Illinois.
Here, the nurse can fill out the script but the Doctor must sign it. It is then valid for only 7 days.
I've had recent experience with all of these situations but I am certainly no expert (although I enjoy thinking I am!)
Paper Scripts: Illinois Schedule 2 scripts are written on a regular script pad just like any other drugs.
I have, however,had doctors who use a two piece script. The second part is a carbon that stays in the patient's chart.
This probably isn't a Fed/State requirement since I've had some doctors use them and some that didn't. But, the ones Docs that didn't use the carbon type script always made a copy of the script and put that in my chart.
Now that I think about it, I suppose it might be a F/S requirement to have some type of recording of the original script since every Neuro/Pain Management Doc I've been to did use of the two methods that I mentioned above.
PJ
Edited by PJoseph (01/18/05 11:08 AM)
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IMSUSCOT1
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I get my schedule II's in Texas, there no triplicate forms, but special script paper applies. They are good for 7 days only...but I can file them with my pharmacy who can hold them for up to 60 days before filling. Supposedly post dating is against the law...but I only go every 2 months and get two months worth of scripts...shhh if you won't tell I won't!!
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zcom
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OxyContin abusers either crush the tablet and ingest or snort it or dilute it in water and inject it. Crushing or diluting the tablet disarms the timed-release action of the medication and causes a quick, powerful high. Abusers have compared this feeling to the euphoria they experience when taking heroin. In fact, in some areas, the use of heroin is overshadowed by the abuse of OxyContin.
Two factors set OxyContin abuse apart from other prescription drug abuse. First, OxyContin is a powerful drug that contains a much larger amount of the active ingredient, oxycodone, than other prescription pain relievers. By crushing the tablet and either ingesting or snorting it, or by injecting diluted OxyContin, abusers feel the powerful effects of the opioid in a short time, rather than over a 12-hour span. Second, great profits are to be made in the illegal sale of OxyContin. A 40-milligram pill costs approximately $4 by prescription, yet it may sell for $20 to $40 on the street, depending on the area of the country in which the drug is sold. OxyContin can be comparatively inexpensive if it is legitimately prescribed and if its cost is covered by insurance. However, the National Drug Intelligence Center reports that OxyContin abusers may use heroin if their insurance will no longer pay for their OxyContin prescription, because heroin is less expensive than OxyContin that is purchased illegally.
Now,
The San Francisco-based Pain Therapeutics said Wednesday its experimental gel capsule resists the easy tampering that turns the approved pill from a legally prescribed painkiller for long-suffering patients into a potent and sometimes fatal high for drug abusers. Pain Therapeutics chief executive Remi Barbier said the company's Remoxy is a sticky gel cap, which makes it hard to ground into powder and that the active ingredient -- oxycodone -- is difficult to extract when submerged in alcohol and water, two popular ways to refine OxyContin for abuse.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/11/06/oxycontin.substitute.ap/
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trixxie
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I see my PM doc every three months, and he post-dates the scripts for CII meds, and then I fill them on the date filled in.
That's illegal.
Not in my state. At least thats what he has been doing and the pharm holds it, then I go in and fill it.
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trixxie
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I get my schedule II's in Texas, there no triplicate forms, but special script paper applies. They are good for 7 days only...but I can file them with my pharmacy who can hold them for up to 60 days before filling. Supposedly post dating is against the law...but I only go every 2 months and get two months worth of scripts...shhh if you won't tell I won't!!
Sounds like my doc. Mine uses special paper numbered on both sides. No triplicate.
Post-dated with the actual date at the top, then the fill date written on the side next to the type of med to be filled. He also writes it out, then writes the amount similar to a check. Plus I take it to a pharm that is next door to the office, they know the docs from my PM office there.
Thats just the way it is here in WA state.
IMSUSCOT1, I won't tell if you won't!!
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