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AngelWolf13
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i knew it!!! celebrex next!!! these new "miracle" drugs
      #208447 - 12/17/04 12:25 PM

found this on aol news....

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Pfizer Says Celebrex Increases Heart Risk

NEW YORK (Dec. 17) -- Pfizer Inc. said it has found an increased risk of heart attacks with patients taking its top-selling painkiller Celebrex, a drug that is in the same class as Vioxx, but has no plans to remove it from the market.

Pfizer announced Friday that it found the increased risk in one of two long-term cancer prevention trials, while the other trial showed no increased risk.



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A bottle of Celebrex

The National Cancer Institute, which was conducting the study for Pfizer, suspended the use of Celebrex after discovering that patients taking 400mg to 800mg of the drug daily had a 2.5 times greater risk of experiencing major heart problems than those who were not. A separate cancer study found no increased heart risk with patients taking 400mg of Celebrex per day.

Pfizer was conducting the trials as part of an effort to find a new application for the drug.

The stock of the world's largest pharmaceutical maker plunged in morning trading on the New York Stock Exchange, losing 14.6 percent, or $4.22, at $24.76 in heavy volume.

Both Celebrex and Vioxx, which is made by Merck & Co., are a type of drug called cox-2 inhibitors, which have become popular because of their effectiveness in treating the pain of arthritis and other ailments. Vioxx was pulled from the market in September because of safety concerns.

Dr. Marie Griffin, an epidemiologist and drug safety expert at Vanderbilt University, said the new findings on Celebrex is worrisome evidence suggesting that all these cox-2 drugs have similar risks.


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However, she noted that the halted study was testing an 400 to 800 milligram dose - four times the usual dose - and that the safety problem with Celebrex may only apply to those high levels.

''What this means for people who have heart disease is it's best to avoid these drugs,'' she said.

For others, ''people may want to reconsider their use of coxibs until we feel better about their safety,'' and if they are using them, stick to the normal dose, Griffin said.

Dr. Richard Hayes, a cardiologist in New York, said he would be recommending that his patients taking Celebrex switch to nonprescription medicines such as Advil to treat their pain.


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''We thought Celebrex was safe and the problem was just with Vioxx,'' Hayes said. ''The problem is more complex than we thought.''

Celebrex is the most-prescribed drug for treating arthritis. In the nine months ending in September, worldwide sales of Celebrex more than doubled from the same period a year earlier to $2.29 billion, accounting for 6 percent of Pfizer's total sales of $37.59 billion.

In releasing news of the study's findings, Pfizer chairman Henry McKinnell said in a statement the company wanted to ''rapidly communicate new information to regulators, physicians and patients around the world.''

The withdrawal of Vioxx has been a financial and public relations disaster for Merck, in part because it has been accused of muzzling news about the drug's side effects. Its legal liabilities are estimated at up to $18 billion, and its shares have dropped by nearly one-third since the recall announcement was made in late September.

Vioxx had been a blockbuster drug for Merck, it's No. 2 earner with annual global sales of $2.5 billion, amounting to 11 percent of the company's $22.49 billion in revenue last year. Some 2 million people worldwide had been taking Vioxx.

Dr. Joseph Feczko, president of worldwide development for Pfizer, noted that the results in the trial finding increased risk of heart attacks were not consistent with either the other cancer prevention trial or with a ''large body of data'' that the company had collected.

Earlier this month, the Food and Drug Administration said it was adding a warning to the labels of another Pfizer drug, Bextra, noting a risk of potential heart problems associated with the use of Bextra in people who have recently had heart bypass surgery. Bextra is also a cox-2 inhibitor type of drug.

Griffin and two other Vanderbilt epidemiologists also raised fresh concerns about Bextra, Pfizer's other cox-2, in a letter to be published Thursday in the New England Journal of Medicine. Doctors should not prescribe the drug ''except in extraordinary circumstances,'' they recommend.






i am so happy that i voluntarily quit taking celebrex as soon as they took vioxx off the market. bextra was next and i knew celebrex would follow. damned cox-2 inhibitors. i swear, these doctor are going to kill us one day with their miracle, not to mention expensive and profitable, non-narcotic, non-effective, good-for nothing but killing you in the long run drugs. of course, they're not going to take it off the market yet.... the final body count won't be tallied up for a while, i am sure....

sorry about the rant, but that makes me soooo mad.

take care all...

angel

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Edited by AngelWolf13 (12/17/04 12:28 PM)


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Re: i knew it!!! celebrex next!!! these new "miracle" drugs [Re: AngelWolf13]
      #208448 - 12/17/04 12:34 PM

So now that these supposed pain meds that the doctors hand out so freely, vioxx, celbrex, betra etc... all can cause you to die, but they still don't want to write scripts for real pain meds, that won't kill us unless you are an abuser and OD because they are afraid of addiction, I wish they knew the difference between addiction and being dependent on a medication to funtion, and be able to get out of bed and LIVE, I am allergic to these NSAIDS anyway so no one could ever give me these meds or they would kill me by suffocation (asthma). To think how many doctors pushed these NSAIDS on people because they refused to give real pain meds, they should be sued too.....

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Re: i knew it!!! celebrex next!!! these new "miracle" drug [Re: dmoe]
      #208457 - 12/17/04 12:58 PM

...and all of this because of gastric disorders caused by "old" (and proven!) drugs. Though I wish neither, I'd rather have stomach problems than heart problems!

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AngelWolf13
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Re: i knew it!!! celebrex next!!! these new "miracle" drug [Re: lincoona]
      #208478 - 12/17/04 01:59 PM

hi lincoona, i wholeheartedly (no pun intended) agree with that!

and dmoe, get this.... my pcp used to have such a terrible time writing me scrpts for T3S!!!!! t3s!!!!! trying to get them, as they were the most effective thing he ever prescribed for me, was like pulling teeth! BUT he had no problem rx-ing me TONS of celebrex... AND full knowing that i have asthma! (i go through inhalers, let me tell you!) hell, HE is the one who gives me 2 albuterol inhalers a month. he should have known better!

fortunately, last time i saw him (this was after the vioxx fiasco, before celebrex started being questioned) i told him that i needed more t3s than what he was letting me have. surprise! he said "ok"! (very smart of him, considering...) but then he rx-ed me this drug called "neurontin". i told him that i was tired of getting rx-ed all these new dangerous drugs and that i flatly refuse to take any cox-2 inhibitors. he made it clear to me that i wouldn't have to take celebrex anymore (it was totally ineffective for me anyway). he also reassured me that neurontin was safe. i haven't tried it yet. i have seen some lawyers' commercials on tv which invite you to call them if you or a family member are rx-ed neurontin (for conditions that it wasn't meant to be prescribed for INCLUDING chronic pain!!! hmmmm.....)and have commited/attempted suicide because studies suggest that it might increase the risk of suicide, esp. in depressed persons. well, what do you know. i am being treated for depression along with my adhd (thank God!), AND a couple of years ago i was in ICU for a week after an almost successful suicide attempt. neurontin, huh? even my psych recommended that for my back. hmmmmm...... lol, i don't mean to sound paraniod, but i think they all want to do us in.... what do you think??? (J/K)

cheers, angel

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Edited by AngelWolf13 (12/18/04 02:09 PM)


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Re: i knew it!!! celebrex next!!! these new "miracle" drug [Re: AngelWolf13]
      #208623 - 12/18/04 06:56 AM

On the up side, with the second line of non-narcotic pain meds dwindling RAPIDLY, opiate medication is the only effective alternative...

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Re: i knew it!!! celebrex next!!! these new "miracle" drug [Re: AngelWolf13]
      #208627 - 12/18/04 07:35 AM

Hi Angel
I had to respond. Concerning the use of neurontin. Several lawsuits have been settled concerning . The off label perscribing of the drug. Some great info avaiable here. http://www.citizen.org/ELETTER/ARTICLES/neurontin.htm

It is a dangerous drug which should only be used for epilepsy...!!!

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Re: i knew it!!! celebrex next!!! these new "miracle" drug [Re: Thanatopium]
      #208632 - 12/18/04 08:13 AM

YES..YES..YES.. These 3 Wonder Drugs..Dern!! I KNEW!! I KNEW!! after about 3 weeks of "being cured overnite"..that this Celebrex WAS killing ME!! I was afraid!! Seriously afraid and just quit..to heck with the relief(it DID come quickly for me at first)..I knew better..you could feel it shutting your body down!
Get all 3 O-F-F the market..or "take at your own risk ONLY"..at $00.02 each instead of $3.00-4.00 each..!!!! Be careful with this stuff folks!! AVOID!! (ALL THREE!!)
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Re: i knew it!!! celebrex next!!! these new "miracle" drug [Re: oldandwise]
      #208673 - 12/18/04 02:22 PM

oldandwise,

thanks for the article. i wish i could say that it was refreshing but it was scary. i wanted to copy this from the site just to show what a bunch of crooks some people are...

Quote:

The court papers offer a remarkable insight into the ethics (or lack thereof) of a major multinational pharmaceutical company. A senior marketing executive at Parke-Davis was quoted during a teleconference as saying to medical liaisons:

Pain management, now that’s money. Monotherapy, that’s money. We don’t want to share these patients with everybody, we want them on Neurontin only. We want their whole drug budget, not a quarter, not half, the whole thing....That’s where we need to be holding their hand and whispering in their ear: ‘Neurontin for pain, Neurontin for monotherapy, Neurontin for everything’ ... I don’t want to hear that safety [censored] either, have you tried Neurontin, every one of you should take one just to see there is nothing [that the drug is safe], it’s a great drug.





as i have said, i haven't tried neurontin yet, i am too scared to, not necessarily because of the suicide scare (hell, i should just take it and jump off a cliff and sue the pants off parke-davis, but i'm just too afraid of heights!) but because every time they give me something i'm unfamiliar with which they swear by it usually messes up my life. ativan (an antidepressant they tried to give me for my back....duh?) turned me into an unhappy zombie, flexerill, even just half of one, will make me miserable and feeling hung-over for a week! i'm here trying to IMPROVE my quality of life. even one lost day due to some med that doesn't agree with me is one day too much. i don't get it. i know what works for me, i have never abused ANYTHING in my entire life, but somehow i'm wrong .... i just don't get it.....

thanks again for posting, dear.

cheers, angel

p.s. please don't take me seriously about jumping off a cliff. i was TOTALLY kidding. just trying to make light of the situation. not to give anyone any ideas either, but i know you guys are waaaaay too smart for that!!!!! take care, all!

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Re: i knew it!!! celebrex next!!! these new "miracle" drug [Re: AngelWolf13]
      #208692 - 12/18/04 04:17 PM

I actually liked Celebrex, but this buzz about the Cox-2 inhibitors has been around long before Vioxx was pulled, so I use it maybe once or twice a week (200 mg) on my worst days.

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Re: i knew it!!! celebrex next!!! these new "miracle" drugs [Re: AngelWolf13]
      #208756 - 12/19/04 05:45 AM

AngelWolf13, Great post! My brother was telling me this yesterday and I thought he was talking about Vioxx. If people were not being killed by these "goverment approved drugs" it would be really funny. I can't add anything to your post other then to say, I agree with every thing you posted! I hope the media really looks into this! I have had Celebrex only once, It was when the pain in my back was so bad I went to the ER at 3am.........It did not work!!!!1

I was dumber ( yes its true) then I am now. ^&^%$&$^%%&&^&$^%#%^%#^%>>>>>>>>>>>>NEON


P.S. No wonder they want to "cap" payments on medical law suits!


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Re: i knew it!!! celebrex next!!! these new "miracle" drugs [Re: neonsign2003]
      #208774 - 12/19/04 08:36 AM

We may lose a potent treatment for certain forms of cancer if they take it down completly. It's showing a lot of promise in early cancer trials. In fact, I've seen it prescribed by a local oncologist. 400mg twice daily.

ALL drugs have a risk. You have to be aware of the risk and weigh the benefits. I've seen Vioxx relieve pain more effectivly than Morphine.


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Re: i knew it!!! celebrex next!!! these new "miracle" drugs [Re: neonsign2003]
      #208795 - 12/19/04 11:09 AM

Having worked in pharmaceuticals for 12 years before I quit and switched to education, I will tell you that what goes on in the big major drug firms would stand your hair on end. Clinical studies done backwards - that is data made to fit patients - MD's doing clinical studies on payroll of the pharmaceutical firm - "friends" at the FDA - which is like the old fox watching the henhouse - and it is getting totally out of control - kind of like "legalized murder". These pharm companies scream the high cost of R&D to justify their obscene prices - but most are not coming out with new drugs - only the smaller cutting edge firms - the bid oldies go with the "me too drugs" - that is another "purple pill" and if one Cox inhibitor has horrible side effects that have become intentionally "buried" in the clinical studies - can the others be trusted??? Well, you have your answer in Celebrex - but unfortunately the pharmaceutical lobby is the second largest in DC - only behind the NRA and has congress in it's hip pocket......

As an aside - almost ALL American firms manufacture their drugs out of the country in very cheap third world countries where they can get a labor force for about a quarter a day - and then reimported to this country. And "they" have the unmitigated gall to say Canadian drugs are NOT safe!


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Re: i knew it!!! celebrex next!!! these new "miracle" drugs [Re: Lablady2]
      #209044 - 12/20/04 06:54 PM

thanks, neonsign, and everyone else for your input and support. as i have said numerous times, you guys are the best, truly. i thought about starting another thread because i found something else of interest, but as it relates to this thread, i'll post it here.

i really do not feel like "copy and paste" right now, i do apologize but if anyone is interested, i found some "new" news on aol news. i'll just put the

LINK

here for anyone who wants to click on it.

again, i could probably spend all my time cutting and pasting all day because of the many bad news stories on these stupid, yet obviously profitable, miracle drugs.... if anyone else wants to copy and paste, please be my guest.

i am going to go bang my head against a wall now.

cheers, angel

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Re: i knew it!!! celebrex next!!! these new "miracle" drugs [Re: AngelWolf13]
      #211904 - 01/03/05 07:23 AM

The haha funny thing is. . .I have kidney disease and cannot really take ibuprophen.

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