LittleMissy
Newbie
Reged: 10/21/04
Posts: 46
Loc: Bay Area, Cali
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It's sent regular air-mail, no signature required.
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opie_waan
Member
Reged: 12/19/01
Posts: 185
Loc: Philly
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Mine definately came registered, but it was not tampered with and still in P.W.'s original packaging so they could not have known the contents. I am sure it was just a coincidence that the pigs were there, they are all over the place here in the city. That is strange that no one else had to sign for theirs, though.
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lunesta
Newbie
Reged: 02/23/03
Posts: 34
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are you calling police pigs? i dont understand. my life was saved twice by police and i was treated very nice. i once got a ticket for speeding, which i was. i dont understand why you guys call them pigs.
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unidenbearcat
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Reged: 12/12/01
Posts: 234
Loc: Great lakes
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I had ordered my 5th order from Pharmacy-wholeseller on 11/2. Well today 12/2, 1 month later came the package.It was suppost to be my 100 v's and,low and behold my first customs seizure letter inside. I am glad it was only $40.00.
F_ _ _ _ N customs anyway. I have orderd from overseas pharmacys for 5 years and this is my first seizure. I think they should leave us alone and worry about all the hard drugs that are being imported into the USA. But they must not have anything else better to do than pick on someone ordering 100 v's. Thanks for listening to me rant. I am just pi_ _ ed off.
Does anyone know of a reliable place for v's. You could PM me. I don't think I will order from W-P for a while again. Does anyone know if P-H will reship? And those looking for packages from them keep in mind customs has this place flaged, unless I just got very unlucky. I had a very small order/package. Any feedback or sugestions from anyone will be appreciated Also my order was without the blisterpack. So customs may know what there packages look like. Unidenbearcat.
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mackmoves
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Reged: 05/21/04
Posts: 153
Loc: Jacksonville
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Pigs, just a warm nick name that we call them. Just like Junkie is a word they like to use.
I use the same reasoning that cops use: Most are bad , one or two is honest.
What's good for the goose right?
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Listvoer
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Reged: 01/14/04
Posts: 402
Loc: New America
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Yeah, even cops have picked up the term "pig" by the 1970s or 1980s. I don't remember now exactly what they claimed it meant, but it was a 'confidence building' acronym along the lines of "Citizens Of Pride" or "Confidence Order Patience" or some other positive think.. Plus the hippies pretty much ingrained it into the common US vernacular, anway. It's in my dictionary, not the first meaning, but I did just learn that it's in there. What a world..
To return On-Topic, anyone received anything recently? I placed my order on Nov 18/19 and got fairly quick confirmation that it'd shipped but nothing since then. That's only 16 days with Thanksgiving in the midst of it, so I really shouldn't get concerned yet. I do wish it'd arrive, I don't enjoy the time period between hitting the 'buy' button and when I open my mailbox and find my order safely in my hands.
Anyway, that's the latest concerning my order. On a related note, did anyone disprove a connection between Joseph and p-w? I have no problem with either, and haven't kept up with the Joseph threads because I finally received my order on the 3rd reshipment from Joseph which was more than kind of him, but still to this day i've not received any empty packages, seizure notices, actual orders, or anything from the first order placed at the end of july that just never appeared, nor the reship for that package which also fell into a black hole. The 3rd time it was sent so that I had to sign for it to make sure it arrrived, and that one did, but it's still curious to me that i've not heard anything at all even 5 months after the first one disappeared. Not unheard of, but weird no less. But as I said, i've always received my orders sooner or later from both starlite and p-w, so I have no real gripes with either of them. I just hope the holiday mail doesn't keep us all struggling with Empty Mailbox Syndrome.
I thank the gods that the internet is here for shopping, especially when you're a sufferer from general anxiety and occasional panic attacks like myself. No fighting crowds, the selection is world-wide so you can find some wicked-weird/cool/odd/unique gifts and have them brought right to your door... you don't even have to waste gas, much less hunt for a parking space 1/4 mile from the store. Online shopping makes the holidays just a little more bearable...
And with that, I conclude this insomnia-inspired ramble.
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treetp
Journeyman
Reged: 04/08/03
Posts: 54
Loc: mountains-NE
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Would someone please post the web-site for this place? I'd appreciate it, since I cannot find it! Thanks
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daveal
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Reged: 11/08/02
Posts: 6
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Don't bother with their web site. They are the most classic of web thieves. STAY AWAY!!
They will deliver a small test order or two and once they have you convinced they are legit, you will receive a crudely scotch taped envelope with the standard VERY amateurish phony seizure documents enclosed as your next order. Or maybe you might receive a couple of orders but by the time you finally get ripped off they are no bargain at all as the per unit price you have paid is worse than most legitimate IOPs. In my case, I received less than 1/3 of my order by seperate mailing and then this insult.
No customs tape, poorly copied and error ridden documents. I've seen the real thing before. This was not the real thing. This package was prepared at the point of origin with these letters as the return address was written over the scotch tape after the supposed package was opened and resealed. Ripped open and resealed. Not a hole. But crookedly slit opened and scotch taped closed. Clear tape. Not even wrapped in tape but just enough tape to close the slit and wrap about 1/8" on either side of the envelope.
The documents inside were exactly like this:
http://www.stlhosting.com/upload/fake%20seizure%201.jpg
and one of these:
http://www.stlhosting.com/upload/fake%20seizure%202.jpg
Plus a new one that is even cruder, copied offcenter and incomplete. These specific documents have been discussed many times and shown to be fakes. Is customs doing this? I doubt it. This isn't customs modus operandi. Is the post office doing it? It's hard to believe that somewhere a postal employee or postal employees have these EXACT documents ready to slip into an opened letter EVERY time they come across a package from this particular group of people. These are cheesy copies of documents that they don't even take the time to proofread. Even the reference numbers on the documents are within a few numbers of the examples above. The fake seizure 1 document IS IDENTICAL to the one I received. IDENTICAL!
They prey on the fear of their customers that there has actually been a seizure and take no responsibility when they are confronted.
Regardless of what they say these people are ripoffs who deliver to a few people to build buzz and then start stealing from their customers when it suits them.
I didn't get ripped off for much but what isn't very much for me could be a lot for some people who are relying upon Pharmacy-wholeseller for necessary medications.
I have not posted much but I have been ordering from OPs and IOPs for years and have only received ONE seizure letter years ago. It was mailed seperately and was clearly official with an embossed envelope and linen stationary to match in full color with actual signatures, large departmental logos and legitimate contact information including phone numbers. This had NONE of that.
Pharmacy-wholeseller should be blacklisted immediately.
Read back through the previous comments if you have any doubts.
Find another IOP. These people, Judy or Joseph, or whoever they are next are not to be trusted.
There are plenty of legitimate IOPs with sterling reputations to choose from. Pass this one by. And watch for their next incarnation. They will be back. And they will steal again.
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treetp
Journeyman
Reged: 04/08/03
Posts: 54
Loc: mountains-NE
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OK, and thanks. It's back to Masters Marketing for me. They are 100% legit. Do I understand you correctly?---Joseph is gone, but has come back as this IOP? I've been away for a while, but when I left, Joseph was being praised in every post here @ DB. What happened? Just curious. Boy, it doesn't pay to go with some of these newer sites until there is LOTS of feedback on them--too many people getting burned. Thanks. treetp
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Listvoer
Old Hand
Reged: 01/14/04
Posts: 402
Loc: New America
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What can I say... i've been in the IOP game since about 1995 or 1996 and so far this place hasn't set off my radar any worse than any other IOP. I've placed between 5 & 8 orders with p-w and have received them all within 10 days of shipment, except for the order I received today which was ordered on Nov 19, shipped a day or so after that, and arrived today unscathed and quite potent (Rivotrol/clonazepam) 1/3 in one package and the other 2/3 in a second one. I thought I had 1 seizure from p-w but after checking my records it was a seizure from gigapharma right before they went down. I do believe what you mean regarding some places being selective scammers, but out of hundreds if not thousands of orders from everywhere from Pakistan and India to South Africa to Serbia-Montenegro to Australia, Spain, England and even the USA I have had no more than about 4 seizures which averages out to less than 1 every 5 years. Most of the seizures were from Joseph and recently, although I have yet to receive a seizure notice, empty package or anything else even after almost 6 months. I did finally get what I ordered from him though, because he sent it registered mail and I had to sign (no problem . I'll sign every time if it makes delivery more reliable!) So technically I have no proof that Joseph was being shady either. Caveat Emptor, as Dad Brady would say to the Bunch. Im sorry you've had problems with these folks... maybe I AM just one of the lucky ones, but so far I am thrilled with the service. And believe-you-me, if my service from them turns sour it will be heard quite loudly and clearly here and on several similar boards!
Good Luck!
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Trampy
Pooh-Bah
Reged: 04/02/02
Posts: 1239
Loc: Southwest U.S.
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Try some Respirdal. It might help.
Judy and Joseph are simply as good as they get for IOPs. They just don't come any better. If that's not good enough, you should stick to U.S. doctors and get your scrips filled at a local pharmacy. The only problem with Joseph is that we have some selfish people here who had his Ikobo account closed, probably by making false claims of non-receipt. That's the same as shoplifting, and, like shoplifting, it causes problems for honest folks ... because we pay for their selfishness one way or another.
It's amazing how contagious this paranoia is about supposedly fake seizure notices. I guess that some people here have the mistaken view that government agencies can't send out documents with typos or make copies of copies. That's either simple ignorance or paranoia.
Respirdal might help with the paranoia. I don't think anything can remedy the ignorance because it's more than simple ignorance. Simple ignorance can be remedied with education if you have a person who is willing to learn. The angry ignorance we see here is a bit like a sociopathic personality disorder, where no matter how many times you show the person they're mistaken, they remain fixed in their delusional and selfish thought patterns.
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drbob
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Reged: 12/07/02
Posts: 27
Loc: okla. city
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Trampy....I agree that Judy and Joseph have had two great IOP's...I have used them in the past and they have been completely reliable...But the custom letters are definetly false I saw one that a friend received and besides the problems you mentioned with the letters there no individual case numbers that customs uses to log in the seizure just the code of the law that is being violated...Since it seems people are now getting their replacement orders IMO workers hired to send the letters sent papers instead of the orders or the two companies did not expect such demand for their specials and ran out of product and rather then lose most of their orders till they could get replacements used the customs letters...I beleive the first idea a lot more because the second does sound paranoid and like a conspirecy theory...I am glad to here that people are getting there orders and if I had not found a doctor That i trust to give me what I need but also is aware of my addictive tendencies I would choose Judy or Joseph to order my benzos when I out.
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daveal
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Reged: 11/08/02
Posts: 6
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Please...
There's no paranoia involved. You can see by
1. My registration date, and
2. My lack of posts
that I don't have a history of complaints or even comments until this incident. I simply transact business. I have been ripped off before. VERY few times, though. That comes with the territory and I accept that.
But this is too transparent to ignore. Different packaging than previous orders - larger than normal - and those of you who have received "bulk" orders from PW know what I mean. Different packaging just large enough to contain these notices - larger than normal packaging. Almost identical numbers on the notice from a post months ago. Copies from a copy machine with flaws on the drum consistent with a dirty personal copy machine.
I have received a seizure notice from a Pharmatico order years ago and know the difference between real correspondence and junk documents. And I have seen enough documents and parcels that have been opened for customs inspections to recognize how the process works.
Paranoia. I, for one, do not take enough medication to overlook the obvious. But I would suspect that they use people who are highly visible like you trampy and drewsmerdel (no beef with you) to keep their rep up so they can rip some of the rest of us who are more discreet. I'll bet the other people who have been ripped off are people with lower profiles like me than big mouths like you.
Keep shilling for them. That's what they are counting on.
My warning's out. Buyer beware from these people.
Now I'm going to go back to lurking and back to reliable sources.
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Judi
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Reged: 08/19/03
Posts: 9
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What is wrong I don't know, but my eye is falling on a post about Pharm88
Go we say now also that Pharm88 Ripped the people off.
Or go we say also now that Pharm88 put self this customs letters inside the parcels.
Only my 2 cents.
Pharm88, still no reply about re-shipment
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after love letter. I have used them for over a year and this is the first problem I've had. I have emailed pharm88 once a week, am now on message #4. They have not replied except for one auto-reply acknowledging my Nov 12 email.
Weird thing about this seizure is that the love letter was not mailed separately but inserted into pharm88's shipping envelope and resealed. Strange.
I am glad to hear some others are having good luck. Just wish they would reply to me.
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daveal
Stranger
Reged: 11/08/02
Posts: 6
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Hi Judy,
Glad to see you made it. It's rather late in the Phillipines now, huh? Not a critism but an observation: your English goes to &*$% when you get upset (see earlier in this thread #199861). My Tagalog and Pilipino or is it Cebuano (since you are from Cebo) is horrible on my best day. Actually, non existent. Sorry to even bring it up but the grammar in your post is so similar to the email you sent to me when I complained about the "seizure".
Anyway, you left out a later post from rara about her customs seizure.
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bad news from me. First ever problem with Pharm88 after 2 years of faultless service - though this is customs not Pharm88 at fault.
my end of November order was divided in 3
1st part received about 1 week after shipping, opened, stamped by customs, taped shut, meds intact.
3rd part received today unmolested.
2nd part of order MIA
I will email their customer_help & report what has happened. It could take forever for a seizure notice to arrive being this time of year. Just hope they bother to send one.
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See the "opened, STAMPED BY CUSTOMS, taped shut" part. As someone who has occasion to be around bonded customs warehouses regularly, I know that customs doesn't open a thing without leaving their mark whether it is a stamp or resealing with a piece of special tape. They don't use cheap clear consumer grade 3/4" tape, either.
This just shows me that you have learned the "tricks of the trade" from reading these boards. Nothing more.
Just come clean and get it over with. I don't want the products or the money. I just want you to stop it.
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Listvoer
Old Hand
Reged: 01/14/04
Posts: 402
Loc: New America
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But then there's always the possibility that the envelope was opened on the outgoing end of the delivery, far before it hit customs. No stamp from customs in that case. That one happened to me with 4 differnt packages I had sent from Amsterdam to my place. I mailed them myself and got them out of the mailbox here myself. 2 of the packages were untouched, while 2 were carefully opened, contents removed, no note inserted, taped back with clear tape, and mailed on its way. Not saying that's what happened in this (these?) cases but I know from experience that it can happen outside the USC authority....
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daveal
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Reged: 11/08/02
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Quite true. There is a long chain of custody.
It's just that if you search the boards there is a lot of these "seizures" going on. It's easier to conclude that there is a lot of copy catting going on than to believe that the actual customs enforcement offices - all over the country - start their day by putting a set of master documents in a copy machine and stuffing copies of the same set of documents, down to the reference numbers, in envelopes all day.
Anyone who has been doing this for a while knows that the measure is years between seizures rather than seizures per year. And there have been few reported real seizures and more and more of these cheezy photocopies. Customs (or HLS/CBP or whatever you choose to call them) are a LEA and budget deficits or not they are not going to scrimp on scaring the %^%$ out of someone if that's their goal. I know someone who got whacked five figures for cuban cigars and they didn't send him a photocopy.
These IOPs know that a certain number of people will send in copies of the documents requiring replacement of the shipment, a certain number will "go to ground" and hope that the MIB don't show up at their door but only a microscopic number of people will ever risk incriminating themselves by trying to recover the shipment and learning that the documents are fake.
It's a no-lose situation for them. They replace a small number of shipments and look like heroes for doing so and the rest of the claims disappear. A little chum to the big talkers on the boards and the rest of us are throwing money at them.
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But then there's always the possibility that the envelope was opened on the outgoing end of the delivery, far before it hit customs. No stamp from customs in that case. That one happened to me with 4 differnt packages I had sent from Amsterdam to my place. I mailed them myself and got them out of the mailbox here myself. 2 of the packages were untouched, while 2 were carefully opened, contents removed, no note inserted, taped back with clear tape, and mailed on its way. Not saying that's what happened in this (these?) cases but I know from experience that it can happen outside the USC authority....
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ashpup
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Reged: 04/30/04
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OK here is weird one, I got an order of 100 K's no problem.
Placed a 2nd order logged in with IKOBO (may have misspelled)for the V special and nothing - no ack from IKOBO no ACK from P-W.
My logic says I messed up completing the order. My logic also says to go under another email & CC to appear as another 1st time cusomer.
Any similar experiences?
Thanks - Ash
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daveal
Stranger
Reged: 11/08/02
Posts: 6
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I can't see where this is a PW problem. It's likely an Ikobo technical problem. I used Ikobo the first time with no problem and then WU. Ikobo was too much of a hassle after the first time. I'm sure you'll get it worked out.
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OK here is weird one, I got an order of 100 K's no problem.
Placed a 2nd order logged in with IKOBO (may have misspelled)for the V special and nothing - no ack from IKOBO no ACK from P-W.
My logic says I messed up completing the order. My logic also says to go under another email & CC to appear as another 1st time cusomer.
Any similar experiences?
Thanks - Ash
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mail123
Stranger
Reged: 11/23/02
Posts: 15
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Well I just got another siezure letter in the mail today? Now I really need to find a good source for 10mg Valium or finally break down and get health insurance. I give up on this company. When I finish this post, I am going to to a C.C. reversal.
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mail123
Stranger
Reged: 11/23/02
Posts: 15
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Ok I did the CC dispute on the 5th. Has anyone had any luck getting there money back from this company using this method? Please Help!!
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mackmoves
Member
Reged: 05/21/04
Posts: 153
Loc: Jacksonville
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"It's a no-lose situation for them. They replace a small number of shipments and look like heroes for doing so and the rest of the claims disappear. A little chum to the big talkers on the boards and the rest of us are throwing money at them."
I couldnt agree more.
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Listvoer
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Reged: 01/14/04
Posts: 402
Loc: New America
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all I can say is that i've received every order i've placed with them. Received my 300 clonazepam a week or 2 ago so i'm set for a couple months... Sorry to hear about folks' problems, but I have no fear of using them again. FWIW I think it's either Joseph, or a cohort of his because I once received mail from p-w that had either starlite or joseph at the bottom of the page... take that FWIW I guess..
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LilacVelvet
Journeyman
Reged: 08/16/04
Posts: 60
Loc: TX
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This company has been nothing but good for me and two of my friends who have placed recent large orders. So, I'll go with them again and I'll let you guys know how it went down.
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mcbeef
Stranger
Reged: 07/03/03
Posts: 23
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Made order
9th of december
received 20th
the new packaging method is great
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ellen1
Enthusiast
Reged: 07/03/02
Posts: 237
Loc: N. Calif.
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Ordered 11/24
Rec'd 12/20.
Nearly an entire month.
But, they do take cc, a rarity now.
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ellen1
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Reged: 07/03/02
Posts: 237
Loc: N. Calif.
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OH No! Never, Ever do a chargeback! A really bad idea!(IMO ONLY)
I don't mean to sound bossy but a lot of DB-ers besides me are totally against chargebacks. Here's why:
--We all 'takes our chances' of seizure when we order from OPs/IOPs. We knew the risks going in.
--Charging back may raise your profile in the cc world.
--Charge-backs will raise the profile of the IOP in this "new security" age and the IOP may suffer the fate of the late lamented P24. Busted by the cops, 'tho not from chargeback, but from raised profile because of an OD--same thing. YOU may not want to do business with them anymore, but others may still want to.
--Charge-backs will cause the cc company to dump the IOP and then EVERYONE ELSE will have to go and pay the WU/MG fees and go through that hassle.
--Charge-backs will cause the cc company to make WU/MG decline to send money ONLINE to that company or person, thereby causing us to have to find a WU agent and go IN PERSON with cash to send money. This has recently happened to a very good source. Many of us are not happy that this happened.
--Many OPs/IOPs will refuse to do business ever again with a chargebacker and I don't blame them. This may not matter until one can't find what one needs elsewhere. Also, some of these IOP guys know each other.
--There could have been some other sort of error. Recently, I read a post about a guy who got really incensed that he didn't receive after the company swore it shipped to him. So he charged back, only to find out a day later that his wife had hidden the package from him. He did some major groveling but I don't know if it worked or not. The company will probably never deal with him again. Another person who charged back got his package 3 months later, moderately squished but intact, with a letter of apology from the Post Office.
I've lost money myself,so I can sympathize. But, you knew the risks going in. It's not in the best interests of a well-established IOP to cheat their customers. They really don't have to reship at all, really. The customer is not on higher moral grounds than the IOP, who is, after all, closer to legal.
I don't intend to offend you or anyone else. All this is Just My Opinion Only, of course, but I've gleaned most of my opinion by reading a lot of posts from veterans with a lot more experience than I have. Charging back just isn't worth the risk to you and it isn't worth the hassle to everyone else here who may want to use that company.
Ellen
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smitty6
Journeyman
Reged: 09/09/03
Posts: 65
Loc: Wisconsin
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I concur, ellen. A chargeback is a last resort option, and one I have never (forunately) had to use. I'm amazed at people are threatening chargebacks waiting 3 weeks or less for delivery.
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Listvoer
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Reged: 01/14/04
Posts: 402
Loc: New America
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I have to jump on the "i agree" bandwagon.... i've only done 2 chargebacks to IOPs in my life, and both of those were only done after the consensus of DB and another 1 or 2 sites that are just like DB, that the 2 IOPs were no longer the IOP they used to be - as in, they shut down and someone else picked up the web addy and pretended to be the same place and took a lot of folks money with no intention of delivering meds, not that they even had any to send. The real IOPs were closed and gone and all it hurt was the [put your favorite curse words here] scammers who overtook their reputable but now dead web addy for the only purpose of stealing money (VISA in my case) from former customers who didn't know the places had shut down. "doing" a chargeback on an IOP is basically the net version of throwing a live gernade into that particular business. It messes it up for everyone... and I, for one, really like pharmacy-wholesaler and have had nothing but great experiences for me on each and every order i've placed with them.
Just my sleepy 2 cents on the subject.... but please, don't mess up this good source for the rest of us. If it hasn't been at least 60 days w/o a delivery and little or no contact with the iop, then don't consider it yet. I"ve said it before, but it's true - this trend of 2 or 3 weeks for IOP delivery is a fairly recent development. In years past it was expected for orders to take 30-45 days (speed rx and access-meds, to name just 2) so if you're new to the scene, you may not know how much it's improved over the past year or so. Just think before you decide to hit them HARD with a chargeback, and a hard hit it is. It's quite difficult to get set up so that a place can take credit cards and the like, and lots of us don't/can't use IOPs that only take W.U. or moneygrams....
As mentioned above, everyone using IOPs knows, or darn well should know, that occasionally losses do happen and you just have to bite the bullet and live with it. Often enough it's not even the IOP that took your meds.... things pass thru a lot of different hands before it makes it from india / phillipines / africa etc all the way to your place at 123 main street USA.....
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bjg212
Stranger
Reged: 07/21/04
Posts: 13
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I ordered from Judy on the 10th of Nov. I recieved 23days later. Only the special on the pins but it did come through.
With sources like habeester and indiameds4u....better quality and shipping times.... why not use these instead? That is what I've done recently and couldn't be happier. Especially the price and quality for MS oh4 from habeester.
Regards,
BJG
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