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Red3298
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Can anyone say, "Indian Valium, not a ripoff"?
      #137454 - 02/14/04 09:08 PM

That is all I hear thus far, from several, that they are weak, underdosed. That makes them useless to me as I need certain consistent dosing for my condition. Anyone ready to defend these meds? They appear very common.

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Re: Can anyone say, "Indian Valium, not a ripoff"? [Re: Red3298]
      #137523 - 02/15/04 06:49 AM

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That is all I hear thus far, from several, that they are weak, underdosed. That makes them useless to me as I need certain consistent dosing for my condition. Anyone ready to defend these meds? They appear very common.




If you can find the ones that are specifically licensed by Roche, they are usually pretty potent. They are manufactured by another (Indian) company, but licensing by Roche insures better quality. Admittedly, I have only ever run across one brand of this type, and I honestly don't remember where I got them. I would ask this question specifically before I buy.

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Re: Can anyone say, "Indian Valium, not a ripoff"? [Re: Red3298]
      #137530 - 02/15/04 07:40 AM

I order occasionally from DestinyRX. They are blue valium that come from Thailand and they work OK. I have only had American valium once or twice, awhile ago. My opinion is that the foreign stuff is not as potent. It does work, but you will need to, probably, take more than you would have to if it were American. I know this is a pretty wishy washy answer, but I think you're best bet is to do a test for yourself. Order some from a place that has good feedback, and do the test. The good thing is that if you find a foreign source that you are happy with, you can order a lot more than if it were coming from somewhere in the USA. Good luck to you.

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Re: Can anyone say, "Indian Valium, not a ripoff"? [Re: 537]
      #137573 - 02/15/04 10:05 AM

I have heard of the bad Thailand rep. Have gotten some Roche blue 10s. They are no doubt weaker than the Americans, country of manufacture, do not know.

Yes, I have the white Vs made by "Nicholas Piramal India LTD, licensed by Roche." They cost more and even though I ordered the generics and paid the generic price, this is what I got. They are not bad actually. How they compare to the U.S. generics I have had a lot of, am undecided.

I do not understand this whole weak foreign Val thing. Raw diazepam chemical base is dirt cheap. Why short the mix? Bad for business. I suspect some cases may involve improper storage or the fact the the meds may sit on hot trucks or in hot depots for many days. Benzodiazepines are very heat sensitive. This could be relevent when ordering from warm climates, especially during summer months.


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Re: Can anyone say, "Indian Valium, not a ripoff"? [Re: Red3298]
      #137682 - 02/15/04 03:35 PM

I have never had a Indian generic valium diagree with me.

I know alot of people will get an order of generics that are white with no marking and before they even take the pill they are thinking BUNK. What you percieve is what ya get.

"licensing by Roche" actually I believe the trademark "valium" was sold to the Indian company, I dont belive that Roche has anything to do with the oversighht of the drug making, that would be Indian Govt's responsibility.

I really really believe that if you have taken benzos for a while you need to understand that tolerance can build quickly. If I have taken any Alprazolam at least 2 days before taking 20mg valium I cant feel a thing, be it brand name or generic.

Believe it or not Indian Meds are of VERY high quality or organizations like W.H.O would not allow them to be sold all over the world.

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Re: Can anyone say, "Indian Valium, not a ripoff"? [Re: Red3298]
      #137704 - 02/15/04 04:54 PM

Dude
There's just such a range of generic Valiums available internationally that it's not even a joke. I received some from Interpham.cc manufactured by generic lab, the logo on the generic was "MANO", and honestly to tell you the truth they were pretty good for a generic "Val", if you can find a generic "Valium" "10mg" manufactured by "Barr Labs", they are the "cream of the crop" when it comes to generic "Valium". By I think they are no longer manufactured cuz "Watson Labs" brought "Barr Labs" out (well at least, according to my pharmacist). In fact, the minute they did, the price of generic "Valiums" went-up considerably, cuz now they have a larger "market share" of generic "Valiums" and of course, Watson will probably analyze "Barr Labs" technique of manufacturing generic "Valium" and replicate it. So when people go to their local pharmacy they will ask for the "Watson" brand of "Vals". I've tried them they are pretty good. Purepac another generic manufacturer of "Valium" comes in as a good second choice. The two generics I would completely stay away from are the "Scheins" and most of all "Mylan's" brand of Valiums. Especially "Mylan", it has to be one of the most weakest brand of generic "Valium", I've ever tried and I've tried alot of them. I just receive my shipment of generic "Valiums" from the "Bulgarian Pharmacy" haven't tried them yet, still have some finish the "MANOs" to finish first, will try the Bulgarian version of generic "Valium" tonite to see if the pass the test. As for getting the "REEL" "ROCHE VALIUM" form an IOP, I had an excellent experience with the "ROCHE'S" sent to me from "Farmakos.com". They come with in their original blister packs, discreetly packaged, in about a week, afterall "U" provide "Dr. Alberti", with the MCTN# of your western union transaction. I would rate the potency to be equal to the Roche's "Valium produced for the U.S. Market. They just have a different look to them, they're not the U.S. Version with a "V" Stamped onto every pill. But the "Valium" produced for the "Argentinatian Market" have a look of a generic "Valium" look to them, except for the fact that they have "ROCHE" stamped onto every pill and you also receive the original packaging that the blister cards came out of. Which also says "ROCHE". When I took them there was absolutely equilvalent (Potency-Speaking, of course) to U.S.'s "Brand-Name Valium that's marketed for the U.S. Market. But economically speaking the "MANO" brand of Valium (that I got from interpharm.cc for $33.00 for 95 tabs are pretty good). You'll get the meds in about 2 weeks and their packaging is very discreet, the best I've seen so far from an "IOP", they also have the "ROCHES", but for reason are always seem to be out of stock, I mean let face it, they do have competitive pricing. Anyway happy hunting and make sure if go the generic route, by all means stay away form "Mylan" brand, dude I'm telling "U" from personal experience, I've been burned twice with "MYLANS". FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU, FOOL ME TWICE, SAME ON ME!!!. And my pharmacist told me that he has alot of customer's coming back to him to complaining about the "Weak Potency" of Mylan's generics as a whole, especially the "Diazepm". Thought I let "U" know so you don't fall into the same trap, cuz once you pick-up the meds and leave the pharmacy, U.S. law dictates they are now non-refundable, you'll be stuck with some weak Vals and you'll won't be in the "happiest of moods" to say the very least. Anyway thought I throw my 2 cents in. KEWL!!!

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Re: Can anyone say, "Indian Valium, not a ripoff"? [Re: Red3298]
      #137705 - 02/15/04 04:55 PM

Yes!!

I only order that med from India (northern) because the 5 mg dose helps with anxiety, without any side-effects such as drowsiness. Have tried the 10 mg with the cross on one side for scoring. Those don't work as well, because as with all scored doses, you don't always get the full active ingredient in each piece. Just my 5 rupees (or whatever the conversion is)
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Re: Can anyone say, "Indian Valium, not a ripoff"? [Re: sigmund]
      #137748 - 02/15/04 06:33 PM

Thanks for the replies, and Reel X, for all the info. I have American generics, say "dan" on one side, 10 on the other. Made by either Danbury or Quality Care, according to rxlist.com.

Anna,

I am not refuting you, but I must admit it sounds odd that different amounts of the essential chemical would be in different parts of the scoring. Seems the diazepam and inert ingredients would be mixed evenly before processing. Then they would make the pills in mass quantities, press, etc., but I know little about it.


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Re: Can anyone say, "Indian Valium, not a ripoff"? [Re: Reel_X_4U]
      #142124 - 02/26/04 01:55 PM

I am so glad to hear that you think Mylan diazapam is a ripoff! I have a script from my doctor and had it filled at the local mom and pop pharmacy. It was like sugar pills. I have had different generic brands in the past and wondered if this brand was all in my head since it had been quite some time since I've taken it. You would think that if made and sold in U.S. that ALL diazapam would be equal..... so to speak.

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Re: Can anyone say, "Indian Valium, not a ripoff"? [Re: booker]
      #181391 - 08/19/04 03:17 PM

The Indian Roche brand seemed fine to me, I must have lucked out and got a really fresh batch of them or something. Before that, I had only ever taken the American V cut Valiums and really wasn't crazy about them because the grogginess lasted too long on me. I just got another Indian brand called "Heven 10", the first time I took one, I was literally knocked out on my arse. But after having them for about 2 weeks, they don't seem as potent. I think I might have built a tolerance to them already, which is fine, because I strictly take them for anxiety/panic and seem like they're doing the job. The first couple of days were rough, but once I adjusted, my stress levels have evened out and feel fine.

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Re: Can anyone say, "Indian Valium, not a ripoff"? [Re: Eeyore27]
      #181461 - 08/19/04 07:15 PM

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The Indian Roche brand seemed fine to me, I must have lucked out and got a really fresh batch of them or something. Before that, I had only ever taken the American V cut Valiums and really wasn't crazy about them because the grogginess lasted too long on me. I just got another Indian brand called "Heven 10", the first time I took one, I was literally knocked out on my arse. But after having them for about 2 weeks, they don't seem as potent. I think I might have built a tolerance to them already, which is fine, because I strictly take them for anxiety/panic and seem like they're doing the job. The first couple of days were rough, but once I adjusted, my stress levels have evened out and feel fine.

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Re: Can anyone say, "Indian Valium, not a ripoff"? [Re: timberland]
      #181517 - 08/20/04 01:11 AM

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The Indian Roche brand seemed fine to me, I must have lucked out and got a really fresh batch of them or something. Before that, I had only ever taken the American V cut Valiums and really wasn't crazy about them because the grogginess lasted too long on me. I just got another Indian brand called "Heven 10", the first time I took one, I was literally knocked out on my arse. But after having them for about 2 weeks, they don't seem as potent. I think I might have built a tolerance to them already, which is fine, because I strictly take them for anxiety/panic and seem like they're doing the job. The first couple of days were rough, but once I adjusted, my stress levels have evened out and feel fine.

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Tsk Tsk...Timber, you're going to get us into trouble again, although that was a good one...lol. Come on, let's not get off topic here...wouldn't want anyone else calling us morons, do you?

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Re: Can anyone say, "Indian Valium, not a ripoff"? [Re: Eeyore27]
      #188455 - 09/24/04 06:06 PM

It all depends. When I was in India, I never bad a bad generic or roche. When I ordered from some other pharms (not IM4U) I felt they were a bit weak. This could be tolerance but I think it may be sitting in a hot mail room with slow moving fans for too long. Best to make sure you are ordering from a pharm that is near a shipping hub like Delhi or Bombay.

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Re: Can anyone say, "Indian Valium, not a ripoff"? [Re: zippy66]
      #199234 - 11/09/04 08:19 PM

I know this is an old thread, but I also received some "heven 10" diazepam from an IOP a while back...
This was before I saw a doc who started to prescribe me Klonopin legitimately which I get from a local pharmacy through my insurance (THANK GOD)
But these Indian generics (the HEVEN-10s) really let me down potencywise and I was wondering if anyone else has ever come across this particular Brand...

I found that I had to take at least triple the normal dose to even feel any effects whatsoever, if even at all...

I still have quite a few of them left and am keeping them around if only as a parachute in case my current doc discontinues my Klonopin...

Either way...that is the LAST time I ever order from an international IOP because of the inflated price and shipping fees for such a poor product...

I tried ordering some other generic diazepam (MANO-DIAZO) from another IOP (24/7 pharmacy) which I never received...
after complaining that they never arrived, I was offered the option of paying a $25 administration fee for them to resend my shipment, which also never arrived...

I complained again and was offered a refund minus these "administration fees" so after finally getting my money refunded (and taking a $50 loss ) I received an envelope (poorly addressed from Thailand) that must've originally contained my order, but had been opened, the product removed, and a nice, friendly notice from the DEA was there in it's place...
So much for the discreet packaging promised by the IOP...

I am still awaiting the second mailing with another letter from our Govt. and hopefully no fine or criminal charge for the second attempt...

A lesson for us all who hope to buy any controlled substances without a prescription from outside the country.

But back to the original subject...anyone else ever see these "Heven 10 Diazepam"?

Edited by soothsayer (11/09/04 08:21 PM)


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