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stevesmith
Reged: 10/01/04
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If you are a white male, age 20,21,22 etc..you are basically automatically assumed you are looking drugs. I know this from lots of personal experience. I have a messed up back which happened in my TEENS. although i am over 21 now. what is unfortunate is that alot of younger males, say 21 have to use NROP's because they're doctor will not give them anything. ( i use to work in a pharmacy, and there were so many people..young women, middle aged women mostly that were constantly having to call the doctor because of fake prescriptions or shady doctors,etc,etc,etc.NOT young men) I think alot of people will agree with me on this to a degree.
i was in EXACT situation. in my 20's, back injury from previous years. Dr.'s thought I was just looking for a buzz. So, I went to CHIROPRACTOR. initial visit + XRAY = $200.00. money well spent. now I have RECORDS (as my records from car accident were too old for soem ROPS)
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timetogo
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Stevesmith, when I get to take a deduction on my tax return for other people's kids, then I might start being concerned about what they do...otherwise, it is not MY problem, and I don't like my liberties as an adult being infringed upon because other people don't give a hoot what THEIR kids do. Kids drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, sniff paint and glue and all manner of things, but why should this work out to be MY problem? Some kids as well as some adults will always abuse something. This has been true throughout history. Alcohol is the most deadly and destructive substance known to man, but we wouldn't dream of banning liquor stores to adults just because teen-agers may get a hold of some, which they do, and always have. And if some adults use NROPs for whatever reason, what difference does this make in the scheme of anything? Should people in pain who have to use NROPs for whatever reason not be allowed to because SOMEONE may be abusing? Like the poster above said, this is about free choice, an ideal that is losing ground in this country every day.
Just a view from another side.
Time
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swtangel
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Reged: 07/09/04
Posts: 164
Loc: Delaware
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I will have records this week just depends how quick the Doctor office gets them done. Does any know where I can go and get a consult and send records before first refill or is there any NROP that are worth taking a shot with? Thanks to all!
NWW you can send your records in before your first refill is due. As for NROP's rx1stop and newlevitra are my top 2 picks. Good luck getting your records and some pain relief!
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scarrlett
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Reged: 02/02/04
Posts: 123
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NO, the ROPS wont be any harder to prosecute. BUT, NROPS are here one day, gone the next. where as ROPS tend to stay around a bit longer. I think that in itself says soemthing. And I totally agree bout the DEA thinking they can do whatever they want etc. As for kids ordering: I think it's all our responsibilities. we all share this country together. "it takes a village". most kids these days have no parental guidance. the internet and TV is their education/babysitter. most paretns these days dont have ANY clue what their kids are doing.
once again,
JMO
Steve, I think you must have missed TvTime's point:
[TVtime421 Quote]: I also think it's interesting that you think that NROP's somehow endanger "legitimate", providers. Surely, you know that legitimate doctors are arrested on a regular basis for having the audacity to prescribe pain medicine to people who are in pain. You really think it matters how legitimate they are? The way the drug laws are being enforced, the self-righteous geniuses of the DEA think that they are better qualified to judge these decisions than doctors are . But you can bet, if they DO start sniffing around, then the law won't find the ROP's to be any harder to prosecute than anyone else. After all, they prescribe narcotics to people who are in pain. If regular walk-in doctors get arrested for that, why wouldn't Internet doctors.[End Quote]
This part:
~~"Surely, you know that legitimate doctors are arrested on a regular basis for having the audacity to prescribe pain medicine to people who are in pain."~~
The DEA is going after regular appointment setting, sit down & talk to, test running, BUT pain med prescribing doctors & these doctors are being arrested! This is what TVtime421 is talking about, if they aren't safe, then ROPs aren't either.....JMO!
Regarding Kids, I agree with timetogo:
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Stevesmith, when I get to take a deduction on my tax return for other people's kids, then I might start being concerned about what they do...otherwise, it is not MY problem, and I don't like my liberties as an ADULT being infringed upon because other people don't give a hoot what THEIR kids do. Kids drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, sniff paint and glue and all manner of things, but why should this work out to be MY problem?[end quote]
As my mother always says, you can't save the world!
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Unnamed
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Reged: 04/16/04
Posts: 29
Loc: Heart of Dixie
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Thanks, Scarlett. I think, though, that Steve hasn't misunderstood my point--in a later post, he acknowledged it. I think that the crux is that he thinks that, deep down, the War On People is being waged by those who are really trying to do the "right thing" by pain sufferers and doctors. Needless to say, I wholeheartedly disagree.
I think it is being run by people who think that drugs are Evil and that there is no real legitimate use for them. And I know that the law is set up so that there is no way to be safe other than to never prescribe them (if you are a doctor) or use them (if you are a pain sufferer). And they do everything they can to make sure that everyone knows this.
And the fact that you have "real" pain (whatever that is) or are "legitimately" trying to help people is not of much use once the DEA has you in its sights.
To be honest, it makes me a little nervous just to post my opinion on it in a public forum.
I think the "War On Drugs" is an abomination and it saddens me that we don't have any way to cast a vote tomorrow that would be a vote to abolish it. If nothing else, think how much money that would free up for War On Terror, Saving Social Security, (insert your favorite cause here), etc. Plus, it would--in a single stroke--pretty much solve most of the prison over-crowding problems in the country.
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scarrlett
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Reged: 02/02/04
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I live in a small town. I know several people who use OPS. in my personal experience more of the people I encounter who use NROPS are selling/abusing. I am just basing my opinions on what I have seen first hand. I am not calling everyone who uses a NROP a abuser/criminal etc. I just know most (not all)straight up junkies and sellers that I have encountered are turned off by the idea of having to have documentation and doing a consultation. that's all I am saying.
this has just been my personal experience. That's where my opinion comes from. Not trying to start a buncha stuff or anything. 
JMO
I couldn't care any LESS who abuses & who doesn't, because I don't feel I have the right to stand in judgement of someone else & it doesn't affect me at all. And PLEASE spare me the whole, "abusers make it harder for those of us in legitimate need", EVERYTHING is open for abuse & addiction, from drugs, sex, all the way down to TWINKIES!! So because someone else can't control their eating impulses & are suffering from high blood pressure, heart attacks, strokes, diabetes, etc.... I'm not entitled to junk food anymore even though I can control my intake of such things?
An abuser will find a way, no matter WHAT! I had a VERY close friend who was legally prescribed oxycontin, percocet for breakthrough & xanax, after a back surgery but, while still under the surgeons care, went to 2 OTHER doctors for more narcotics for various made up reasons, because what he was receiving wasn't feeding his addiction completely. He later commited suicide.
Steve, you seem SO concerned with "junkies & abusers" on this board using NROPs & trying to take a stand & put a stop the abuse of pain killers & benzos ordered from NROPs, may I ask, what are you doing in your very own community or anywhere else to stop the heroin abusers, alcoholics, methamphetamine addicts, foster children, abused & abandoned animals, homeless, abused mothers & children, etc .. in your own hometown?
I swear Steve, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but you just seem so intolerate & judgemental.
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scarrlett
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Reged: 02/02/04
Posts: 123
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TVtime, while I have a better understanding where you are coming from after this post , I believe Steve has a "better than some" attitude that has shown in many of his posts.
Normally I will dismiss most of those type comments, but I couldn't help but finally say something when I saw he had made a derogatory post in almost every NROP thread on the US Board & on the International board as well. Hell, not every thread, but every other post!
I just don't feel like anyone should be judged, people have different pain thresholds & no one knows what someone else may be going thru!
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upstate
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Reged: 09/28/04
Posts: 64
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I'm not sure if Steve posts because he likes to see his views on so many subjects or if he has a strong conviction on the legitimacy of NROP's and IOP's.
But in his own admissions he himself has used both sources to get meds. Regardless of the reason why he decided to use these sources, no one here is out to judge, lest be judged.
The service these sites provide is up to each us whether we decide to use them or not. Individually we all answer to ourselves. So there is no need for you to let us know what is right or wrong.
Not saying you're a bad person for your views Steve, but maybe before replying to so many posts, you might take a deep breath and think a bit before you reply. You type so much and fast it would also help with so many of your spelling errors,
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mittstampler
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Reged: 04/08/04
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Quite honestly, the ROP/NROP issue wouldn't BE a debate if drs. were simply allowed to prescribe (NOT under-prescribe) the pain meds appropriate to a person's situation. I have the history, lab work, and LOrd knows what else to prove that I am really and truly disabled, but 50 Darvocet per month does not cover the pain of a cracked coccyx bone and serious fibromyalgia. If I guy like Rush Limbaugh, who has all the $$ and resources in the world (and no one disputes that he DID suffer such pain) what can us little guys expect? To me, our archaiac drug laws are the issue, not the sad fact tht dr.-shopping becomes a virtual necssity at times. My 2C on this controversial issue.
Missy Martinez
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Unnamed
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Reged: 04/16/04
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Loc: Heart of Dixie
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Scarlett, I agree with you and definitely understand your frustration. The only thing I would add is that, from the numerous posts you mentioned, Steve's position seems to me to be largely based on youthful naivete. And I guess I would rather convert him than alienate him. Nevertheless, you are correct that this campaign against the use of NROP's is pretty annoying.
mittstampler, I'll go you one more: Aren't the doctors really there to provide advice and expert services? Everyone is worried about the rise in healthcare costs. How much of that, do you think, could be alleviated if so many people weren't having to PAY for the opportunity to beg a doctor for permission to buy the medicine that they already know they need? Think about it: If you don't know what's wrong with you, then you probably need the services of a doctor. Once you DO know, and you know what medicine you require, what do you need the doctor for? How much money is being transferred from hard working people (and their insurance companies) to overpaid doctors for no other purpose than to treat adults like children?
What has happened to our thinking in this country that we think supposedly free adults should have to "ask daddy" for permission to take care of themselves?
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scarrlett
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Reged: 02/02/04
Posts: 123
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TVtime, thank you for having an open mind to try to understand where I'm coming from! I will say tho, I'm TRULY not trying to alienate Steve at all & Steve, I am very sorry if I came across that way. I have apologized to Steve in previous posts when I thought I had come across wrong. I really do understand his point of view and he is as entitled to his opinion as I am to mine. He even made a comment that he was just trying to save some people money! Hey, peace, man! My issue, I guess, is all the judgemental comments he has made, that basically, if you're using a NROP, you probably have no legitimate reason to order at all & you are either a junkie or dealer. I have read posts like that before & always bristled at them & I guess I decided I wanted to say something this time .
I'm sorry if anyone thinks I went too far trying to get my point across; that not everyone in pain has alot of records & maybe, they just want something for the occasional aches & pains.....and DESERVE it!
But TVtime, maybe you said it best that Steve's position seems to be largely based on youthful naivete.
Take Care!!
Peace & Best To All
Edited by scarrlett (11/02/04 10:39 PM)
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