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orgart
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grapefruit
      #138700 - 02/18/04 06:02 AM

I was told the other day by a customer of mine that he had been having an extraordinary time with pain while taking his meds. He mentioned to his Dr. that he had grapefruit everyday for breakfast. He was told that grapefruit had a chemical in it that prevented the liver from cleaning out the meds he was taking and that the back up of the meds in his system was the source of his pain. He stopped the grapefruit and his pain deminished. Has anyone had experience with something like this?

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Julz
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Re: grapefruit [Re: orgart]
      #138704 - 02/18/04 06:18 AM

orgart~
No, not exactly, but I cannot eat grapefruit due to the fact that it causes actual WELTS to appear on my face & neck! If it's true that it stops the liver from "cleaning out", then that would make sense, being that I seem to have an Endocrine system disorder as it is.

JMO,

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Re: grapefruit [Re: Julz]
      #138747 - 02/18/04 08:12 AM

I received a script of a benzo (valium) one time and it had a sticker on it that struck me as odd. It said do not drink grapefruit juice while taking this med. Nothing in the literature as too why Hope this helps.
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Re: grapefruit [Re: hoop123]
      #138782 - 02/18/04 09:50 AM

Same here Hoop,
I take xanax and zesteril and they have they same warning. Besides, I hate grapefriut juice. I love oj. Would this have the same effect?
Deb

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Re: grapefruit [Re: debbrad]
      #138783 - 02/18/04 09:54 AM

I too take a benzo from time to time but avoid the grapefruit which is a shame as I have a grapefruit tree in my backyard just full of fruit! turcica

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Re: grapefruit [Re: turcica]
      #138790 - 02/18/04 10:13 AM

This was from a post a few weeks ago.

What’s Wrong with Grapefruit Juice?

Why should one avoid grapefruit when taking Valium or a cholesterol-reducing medication?

-- Anonymous


Today's Answer

(Published 03/28/2003)


Actually, grapefruit juice more than grapefruit seems to be the culprit – it interferes with the absorption and metabolism of a number of drugs (although there is increasing concern that eating grapefruit might also lead to this effect).


Something in grapefruit juice – no one knows what – blocks the action of specific enzymes needed to absorb and break down drugs. These enzymes, found in the intestinal wall and liver, are called cytochrome P-450 3A4 and 1A2 (CYP3A4 and CYP1A2, for short). Several constituents of grapefruit juice have been implicated, including specific flavonoids and other phytochemicals called furanocoumarins. Concentration of these compounds varies from one batch of juice to another.


By inhibiting the action of these enzymes, grapefruit juice increases your body’s absorption of certain drugs, and also slows the process of breaking them down in the liver. Thus certain drugs affected by these enzymes stay in the body longer than normal. These include the calcium channel blockers used to treat high blood pressure, non-sedating antihistamines such as Hismanal (astemizole), certain tranquilizers including Valium (diazepam), Xanax (alprazolam), Halcion (triazolam), and others, a number of cholesterol-lowering drugs, including Lipitor (atorvastatin), Mevacor (lovastatin) and other statins, immunosuppressive drugs used to prevent rejection of transplanted organs and antiviral agents used to treat HIV/AIDS.


If you take any of these drugs with grapefruit juice, you may feel a difference. For example, with calcium channel blockers you might notice flushing, headache, an increased heart rate, or blood pressure which is lower than intended. With the tranquilizers, you may notice increased sedation. More dangerous side effects including kidney toxicity and increased susceptibility to infections could develop among those taking immunosuppressive drugs. Grapefruit juice can even enhance your response to caffeine, resulting in nervousness and over-stimulation.


Interestingly, grapefruit juice seems to be the only citrus juice to have this effect. If you’ve always taken your medication with grapefruit juice and never noticed any of the symptoms I’ve mentioned, there’s probably no reason to make a change, but it would be a good idea to tell your physician about your juice consumption. And if you have any concerns about whether grapefruit juice could be interfering with any medication you take, ask your physician or pharmacist about possible interactions.


Dr. Andrew weil


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orgart
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Re: grapefruit [Re: Julz]
      #138951 - 02/18/04 06:13 PM

Your in luck, it seems that this grapefruit thing can really mess with the meds.

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Re: grapefruit [Re: orgart]
      #139082 - 02/19/04 03:06 AM

completely nullifies the effect of codeine for me = much pain and $$ in wasted meds

Edited by Melody (02/19/04 07:38 AM)


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Re: grapefruit [Re: jenbabe]
      #139089 - 02/19/04 04:05 AM

G-juice and xanax, and Halcion

1. Increases peak plazma levels
2. increases half life
3. shortens the time it takes to reach the blood stream

Drew

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Re: grapefruit [Re: orgart]
      #139090 - 02/19/04 04:09 AM

is there anything that would clean the liver and keep i from getting the build up..???

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Re: grapefruit [Re: blazinDego]
      #139248 - 02/19/04 10:39 AM

I just wanted to add a little about grapefruit that I found while researching opiate potentiators. CYP3A4, an enzyme produced in the liver, is inhibited by grapefruit juice and certain other substances. This enzyme is what your body uses to eliminate narcotics and benzodiazepines from the blood stream (among other things). In the case of benzodiazepines and pure mu-agonist narcotics like hydrocodone, oxycodone, morphine, etc. grapefruit juice should act to potentiate the drug by prolonging the effect and lowering the amount needed to be effective. In the case of benzodiazepines I have read accounts where the benzo is dangerously potentiated by depressing the CNS to the point of death, hence the warning label on prescription bottle.
Now, on the other side of the coin, is codeine and similar compounds (DHC). These are active because CYP3A4 is necessary for the body to convert codeine into morphine, which is an "active" compound in the bloodstream while codeine is not. So in this case, if you take codeine with grapefruit juice, very little codeine would be converted to morphine and hence the post above about taking T3's and grapefruit being a waste of meds.

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is there anything that would clean the liver and keep i from getting the build up..???




Some people swear by taking milk thistle for that, especially to prevent liver damage from APAP, but I don't know how effective it is. Do a search on the boards for it to get some more info.

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Re: grapefruit [Re: debbrad]
      #139251 - 02/19/04 10:41 AM

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Same here Hoop,
I take xanax and zesteril and they have they same warning. Besides, I hate grapefriut juice. I love oj. Would this have the same effect?
Deb




Missed this one last post. No, oranges don't seem to have the same CYP inhibiting enzyme in them, at least not in levels high enough to be of concern.

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Re: grapefruit [Re: daddyj]
      #139286 - 02/19/04 11:55 AM

it nullifies codiene because codiene is inactive until it metabolizes to morphine. for drugs that require metabolism* to be effective, grapfruit would weaken these drugs.

* (refering to the specific metabolism that grapefruit inhibits)


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Re: grapefruit [Re: tone]
      #139645 - 02/20/04 01:57 AM

So what would happen if you drank the gf juice to potentiate,and the milk thistle for cleansing? Does that work? Or is that just nullifying one substance w/another?
Lisa(who wants to start drinking icky gf juice to take LESS hydro)


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Re: grapefruit [Re: orgart]
      #196356 - 10/26/04 01:44 PM

All I know is the insert that comes with my Valium says NO GRAPEFRUIT



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