fromabove
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If sealants can trap bacteria beneath them then why cant fillings do the same thing?
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painnback
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Oh yeah, ONE more thing...
all of you who believe that our firefighters, policemen, TEACHERS, Nurses,etc should be paid at LEAST as much as Doctors, Lawyers, etc?
I Could NOT agree MORE!
and while we're at it...let's add Dental Hygienists to that list!
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fromabove
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Some of them should, where I live they only have to pull their guns once every 2 years, so I think they can live with whatever the lazy job pays. Same with our firefighters. They go out on a run once a month & the building is gone by the time they get there.
Don't get me wrong, I do agree with you, just not in my secluded area thats all.
While we are at it, I'll even be more generous, lets give everyone a raise. Oops, then we will be right back where we started. No sense on that, or no sense on widening the gap between the rich & the poor either. 
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painnback
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Great question, "Fromabove"...
the answer to your question: "If sealants can trap bacteria beneath them then why cant fillings do the same thing? " is...THEY DO. Its a phenomenon known as "microleakage". Silver filling material, over time, will actually "shrink" causing a crevice between the edge of the filling material and the tooth. Sometimes the "gaps" are so big that we can actually SEE them! Plaque and food debris become lodged in this area and this is what causes the problem. We check for decay by using our little "tooth picker" Oh MY  and press down fairly hard into the space/edge. If the instrument "sticks", there is probably decay present. Now, the OTHER problem with microleakage and "shrinking" of fillings is that they greatly weaken the tooth structure many times leading the way to cracks/fractures and broken teeth and fillings.
Keep the questions comin' folks. I'm thinkin' of starting a new "career". FREE OF CHARGE for now though.
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kimbell1
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This is geting off the subject but most government jobs are the ones that the private sector won't touch and that illegals can't sneak their way in.
As a former government field agent (I was not just a desk bound clown), I can sort of relate though I dealt with business owners and not angry families.
Cops hate domestic disputes and it is one of the two most dangerous 'routine' things they do as I understand it. Traffic stops is the other-espeically at night.
But cops can stay in their car for back up, wear body armour, have guns, some cases K-9's, helicopters above head and other safety measures.
As a CPS worker, I doubt that you even get body armour. Though I would seriously think about it. PM if you want to know more assuming DB will let me post this. It runs about $400 on up and it is legal in California that I know of. I might even get some because a famous gun writer was saved wearing a vest in a car accident.
They drive like it was the Indy 500 where I live. Literally.
I don't know how long you have been in this line of work but people like you are TRUE heroes.
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kimbell1
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I put in my application around December 2003. Around August, 2004 I was told that I had an appointment made for me. I went to the school today (Oct 21). I am finally lined up with all the specialists that I will need with one exception. That department specializes in dry mouths which I have but an instructor at the school today wants me evaluated by this dept too even though I think it may be a pain med that I am now taking.
I am getting a LOT of work. Some dirt cheap, some not that much cheaper than a private dentist that I coulde have seen in a week or two.
Here is the damage so far including estimates and I am NOT complaining. But it does take a lot of time.
1. 5 corwns (several will be gold which is the cheapest if you can believe it)
all wisdom teeth removed with me being knocked out
2. I think a mouht guard since they determined that I do grind my teeth
3. I had an abcessed root canal done by a DDS grad student which doubles the price since they are real dentists that are still in school. That cost me $500.00 alone and the wisom teeth will be about this.
4. Several cleanings and scalings
I figure that I will spend about $3000.00 for everything
That is a GREAT price and the people there are wonderful.
But if I was not retired due to disability, I could not afford to take the time off. You have to measure that against savings. I have already been to 5 consults with the abcess being the only real work done. The student I am assigned to said I should be done by summer. I hope he was kidding.
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kimbell1
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It sounds like from my last post, I negleted them. I brush so often, that the last two times I had my teeth cleaned, I was told I keep them so clean, that there was no need for cleaning. But I did not ever know about dep cleaning like scaling which I never had (but will soon).
In other words, people like me, do take care of their teeth because they are precious like your eyes. But bad things still happen.
From all that the dental school has found wrong, one would think I was a homeless person for the last upteen years.
I think it is in the genes or body make-up. Like why some people look like models and can eat whatever they want because they are naturally thin .
No matter how much prevention you do on yourself, house, car, ect. Sometimes it is going to need repairs inspite of a person's good efforts.
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fromabove
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Quote:
Great question, "Fromabove"...
the answer to your question: "If sealants can trap bacteria beneath them then why cant fillings do the same thing? " is...THEY DO. Its a phenomenon known as "microleakage". Silver filling material, over time, will actually "shrink" causing a crevice between the edge of the filling material and the tooth. Sometimes the "gaps" are so big that we can actually SEE them! Plaque and food debris become lodged in this area and this is what causes the problem. We check for decay by using our little "tooth picker" Oh MY and press down fairly hard into the space/edge. If the instrument "sticks", there is probably decay present. Now, the OTHER problem with microleakage and "shrinking" of fillings is that they greatly weaken the tooth structure many times leading the way to cracks/fractures and broken teeth and fillings.
Keep the questions comin' folks. I'm thinkin' of starting a new "career". FREE OF CHARGE for now though.
Well then, it seems to me that a person should just stick with the plastic fillings & maybe seal them afterwards? would that be a better solution? Obviously silver fillings will keep you comming back for more, is that why dentists preferr them. Makes sense to me, continious repeat business no matter how well you take care of your teeth.
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painnback
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Hi FromAbove,
A really quick reply here... I would say that at least 60% of dentists do NOT recommend silver fillings nowadays. There are just too many nicer, stronger materials out there to use other than silver (or amalgum). Also, they are much much easier to work with! The dentists I've worked with do not like or recommend silver unless the patient strongly requests it;Some of them flat out refuse to place them at all! I've substituted a lot over the years and you'd be surprised how many dentists don't even stock silver (amalgum) anymore at ALL!
As for those sealants......don't waste your money, my friend. Sealants were meant for kids with newly erupted permanent teeth with no decay present to help prevent cavities through the "cavity prone years". Period. Go and buy yourself a sonicare electric toothbrush with the money you'd save by not having sealants. (Superb toothbrush by the way)
Namaste,
L.
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astrophel2
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Back to the topic of dentists finding everything wrong...I'm fortunate enough to have had only one filling on one of my molars. The last time I went in for a check-up, I was told that my silver filling needed to be replaced. I'm not sure if it did or not.. it felt fine to me. Nevertheless, the DDS drilled it out (of which the thought still makes me shudder and cringe) and replaced it with resin (?). It's been about 2 years now, and that darned tooth has never felt the same. It hurts to chew on that side now. I've gone back to the dentist NUMEROUS times to have it ground down (was told the bite wasn't quite right), but after 4 or 5 times gave up. Apropos, they charged me every time I went back. Cosmetically, the tooth looks better, but I wish I had my stury silver amalgum.
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