ACB
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Today I received a "sorry we missed you" sticker from the post office --it was for a certified letter. Two weeks ago I had received a "love letter" in an empty package. I have not since re-ordered from the same IOP but I am expecting an order from P-W. Do you think this is related to the past seizure or is it about the expected order? Your info is appreciated!
p.s. the customs box was not checked but I'm not expecting anything from anyone else.
ACB
Edited by ACB (10/01/04 12:11 PM)
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Lablady2
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Would say past seizure - but I am still sweating out my first love letter - so am not sure how this all works....
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jsumner
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If you speak to the poastal carrier and ask that she attempt delivery again they typically will. I would also ask her if you can just sign the release and have her leave it in your box. I ordered something from eBay. I finally received a notice that I had to go pick up the package. I told her I was never informed that there was evan an attempt to deliver the first time.
JS
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yertman
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If its a certified letter Re: seized order, don't pick it up. At least I wouldn't and most others who order intl. would tell you the same. Why give the MIB the satisfaction of knowing you got their letter. They may try sending again though (the post office), but usually give up on the 2nd or 3rd attempt, and its return to sender ( always think of the old Elvis song,whenever I say "return to sender"). I think also, if its certified, you can't just sign the back of the card and let them leave the package, I think thats registered.You have or someone has to physically be present or go to the PO to pick it up. I may be wrong though, and If I am, someone please correct me! Just ignore the letter, you have nothing to worry about. Take care!
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yertman
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I forgot to add, sounds like its for the exisitng order that already has been seized. Otherwise you would have gotten a empty package like before if thats what customs does in your area. Again though, all you will ever hear out of it is that letter. I would fine a differant site/source, don't use the same one that you had problems with, because wherever it clears customs at, they are on to that pckaging and/or have an awfull lotta time on their hands. Take care!
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kimbell1
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I know that this is considered 'yelling' in internet-speak and I meant to yell.
Certified letters cost. When I worked for a government agency, we had to be sparing with certified letters after we lost certain mailing privildges. Before that, it did not cost the state anymore to send a certified letter than non-certified. Just more work for us
They sent certified because someone wants to know that you got a peice of mail.
IF you sign for it, you have a hard time denying you got the letter when it turns out to be problems.
By NOT signing, you can say 'what letter?"
REMEM BER THIS: from past experiences any certifed letter is NOT good news unless you are expecting documents returned to you like I had. I refused to sign the receipt and told them to send it non certified.
I used to order from another country. Package was shipped from this country. One day, I get that green card in the mail saying I have a package to sign for. I knew what was going on but I wanted my package. So I went down to the PO early the next day and knocked at the loading door since they were not offfically opened. May or may not have signed the receipt and got my package. Some laborer loading trucks at the PO just handed me the letter (I don't think I DID sign for it now that I think about it). Had I signed the letter during business hours, who knows who would be waiting for me????
Needless to say, I quit ordering from this place after this.
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toonces7782
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Hello ACB,
I wouldn't ignore the certified letter UNLESS you are NEVER going to order again in your name -- from ANYWHERE outside the U.S.
I say this because this *might* be exactly what the certified letter is about. If they are unto you and you ignore the letter AND they find another one, well, I'd say your Best if kept off the board is toast -- because they then know you are still "there" at that address (because the have your fresh package in front of them).
So if you plan to NEVER order with that address or name again, then maybe consider the "ignore" route -- which is an OK tactic in some circumstances. But not this one, where more could happen cuz you ordered again.
I suspect that given the circumstances my first guess would be that the following package was intercepted and that's what's happening. Could be way wrong! _But_ I'd be concerned that IF that certified is because they have "another" from you... that it's pretty risky to ignore it. IF they have the second package so soon, they may just be determined . . .
I dunno. Hope the second arrives!
By the way. MY tactic would be cease and desist all things from overseas to that address or local name at the first warning -- and if it was exactly that, would not pick up the certified and hope that it gets dropped on the floor.
But if it's a Second one that they are on... then I would be very concerned that they intend to follow up...
This may be a tough bind for you because if they have the second one, then it might be best to take the certified because they are determined now.... and hope they just want to scare you hard. Their job at that point is to really scare you, not put you in prison. So if you DO answer it, go into it expecting them to try to scare you to death... but don't actually get scared.. they don't want you in prison. What you want to do is _tell_them_ you are so scared! Very very scared and you will never do it again.
But privately, just never order with the name or address again, and relax. They are looking for dealers, not you.
The spooky part is wondering IF it's that Second Package and are they indeed wondering if you are dealing? Because then, just ignoring it won't help. It might be inviting a visit. And if they visit, the will not waste their own time by coming without a search warrant.
IF (if if if) they are on that route, you definitely want to answer the certified because then you want to satisfy them with "being very scared" and repetent ..... you don't want to leave them with their only other option. Right?
You CAN clear this up, it'll be ok. Just never ever never use that name OR address again from overseas!
If you handle this right, you'll be ok -- but in this case it does sound like they have the second package and might have to respond. If the second package arrives OK, then it's 50-50 as to how to handle it, cuz they really aren't on you.
Hope this helps.
Stay cool, just keep reminding yourself in the end it will be OK... because it will, you'll be ok.
All the best!
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dman22
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Can you refuse a certified letter? I can't remember if you can or not.
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charlie
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you don't have to accept a certified letter. i know someone who has had a few seizures. never did they receive a certified letter. just your regular letter.
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JeanneLynn
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I don't understand why some of the love letters are sent certified and others are sent regular mail. Does anyone know?
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ellen1
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--I didn't know that some love letters are sent certified and some not. I've never had a seizure notice.
--I know that one is NOT supposed to reply to them. But, how can one refuse a certified letter without some explanation without looking suspicious to the Post Office employees? (espec. since, as a P24 person, I used to accept certified packages all the time).
--Couldn't one just get the letter,certified or not, and just say that you didn't know what they were talking about? That you occasionally get mail for another person with your same name? (that does happen to me). To refuse a certified letter might imply that you knew what it was going to say.
--I'm confused.
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cleo911
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I know plenty of people who have not responded to certified letters and nothing ever happened to them.
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pecan
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I have refused them before, cause when a bill collector wants to make sure you get their notice, they will send them. You don't HAVE to accept any mail that you don't want to. And you Don't have to give anyone else an explanation. If you feel like you have to explain, just say your not accepting it because it is probaly a bill collector........
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therhino
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we get them when we get close to our car ins deadline, it law they need to inform you by "cert" because 10 days after that they inform dmv you have no ins and a nasty cycle begins.... so did you pay your car ins...
2 c from me
regards
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cleo911
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Yup, I got a certified letter from a bill collector once, but received by regular mail one from DMV about no insurance  I'm still saving up to get my liscence reinstated
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toe
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Quote:
(espec. since, as a P24 person, I used to accept certified packages all the time).
E.
Pharma 24 did not send packages certified. They sent them registered, as do many of the IOPs out of Asia.
Registered mail is used for a LOT of things that have nothing to do with IOPs. You could be being subpoened-in which case you're really going to start freaking out when men in trench coats start trying pen you down to serve you papers. Or it could be a call to jury duty(? I don't know-I've never been, knock wood).
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But, how can one refuse a certified letter without some explanation without looking suspicious to the Post Office employees?
Ask to take a look at it before you sign anything. Now Imagine it's from a scary stalker-type guy you met when you were studying abroad in Greece for the summer when you were 16 and has been sending you letters ever since that have taken a turn for the filthy and vile and now it appears that he's trying to keep tabs on you by getting "receipts" to make sure you get his letters. . .and making sure you live in the same place for when the psycho shows up as a "surprise" in America one day unannounced and kidnaps you.
You don't have to say all that. Just think it it. And perhaps mumble something about wanting to make to make sure it's not from who you think it's from.
Seriously, though, if the Feds are trying to deliver you a message, they will find a way to do it. So I agree with the above who say to accept the letter--unless it IS your greasy Grecian stalker.
And can we please get this straight? Is it a registered letter or a certified letter?
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ellen1
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Thanks Toe & Pecan, etc,
Duh! You're right of course, P24 was Registered Mail.
Now I'm going to demonstrate my cultural non-awareness again by asking the difference between Registered and Certified mail. I send in my taxes by Certified Mail-Return Receipt Requested. I know there is Certified mail-"no return receipt requested". How is Registered Mail different from Certified Mail-"Return Recept Requested"?
--Of course you're all right that I don't have to accept any mail.(at least that freedom has not yet been eroded). I guess, what with the raid on P24, I've been having an attack of the "MIBs lurking behind every corner, website, and PO Box".Scuttle, scuttle.(me)
-In California anyway, jury summonses just come in the regular mail.
--LOL,LOL-Toe, I loved your recollection of my summer in Greece with the handsome prince (you forgot that part) who turned into a stalker....mumble, mumble...after I refused to live in luxury with him in a palace (you forgot that part, too)...mumble,mumble...because I wanted to set Mother Teresa up in her hospital in India to serve the poor...mumble,lie,mumble....All this from someone who doesn't know the difference between a registered and a certified letter.
YOO-HOO, everyone! What IS the difference?
--The Princess Bride.
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LilacVelvet
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it's definately not pharmwhole..
i got my packages the last 3 months and one last week..
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With all all of my love, It doesn't feel as good
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Imago
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I don't understand why some of the love letters are sent certified and others are sent regular mail. Does anyone know?
Technically, all seizure notices are supposed to be sent certified...but due to the massive volume, there are issues with time and money. So most get sent regular mail (at least, that's what I was told by someone who is fairly knowledgeable about this matter).
Two years ago, I ordered twice within a two week period from the same IOP. Nearly two months went by and neither order appeared. Then one day I came home to find a seizure notice sitting in my mailbox. It was for the first order I had placed. I was a little unnerved (it was my first seizure notice)...but I'd read enough posts about "love letters" to know that I was probably okay, and I should just ignore it and throw it in the trash.
I live in a rural area and our mailboxes are by the side of the road. My mail lady drives a little van and she never gets out of it. If I have an oversized package or there's anything out of the ordinary, she pulls up to my front door and honks. I go outside and see what she wants. A week after getting the first notice, I heard her honk and went out. As I approached her van, she leaned out the window and said she had something for me to sign. We've been friends for a long time...it just never occurred to me to ask her what I was signing for. I didn't think about it being something bad. I didn't even know seizure notices were ever sent certified. It was really dumb, I know...but I signed without question. Then she handed over the envelope and I saw the return address. I nearly fainted...and I'm not exaggerating. I don't remember her saying goodbye or driving off.
ALL I could think of was, by signing, I had admitted to some wrongdoing on my part, that it was an admission of guilt. I don't know if that makes sense and it may sound really silly...but that's what I thought. I was very, very scared.
I finally pulled myself together and calmed down somewhat. I contacted my friend, who told me what I posted above...that, in effect, the certified notice was no different from the one I received by regular mail ( and it really wasn't...it was identical except for the date, as it pertained to the second order).
Who knows why it was sent certified. Maybe the agent was newly hired and thought he had to strictly go by the handbook. Or perhaps it was a slow day and he had some extra time on his hands. Maybe they have a quota and have to send a certain number of certified notices every month. I don't know...
Nothing happened to me. No MIB showed up on my doorstep. So, apparently, it didn't matter that I signed.
But.....I never ordered from that IOP again.
As a matter of fact, I never ordered from ANY IOP again. LOL!!!
Imago
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