jazee
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One somewhat widely known fact is that FDA approved generics can have a bioequivalency of -20% to +20% the original patended brand-name product (like what Valium is to diazepam)
The FDA generally rates the bioequivalency of a generic as A (meets the +/-20%) or B (doesn't meet it)
I, like many others, have been questioning the actual value of generic drugs considering that many are as much as 20% less effective than the brand name version. So basically, if you are getting the generic at 40% off the brand name, you are really getting is at 20% off.
Now here's the hard part. Aside from having to scour these boards for hours, has any intelligent person out there compiled a list, for some of the most popular drugs, of which generic brands are closest to the bioequivalency of the name brand?
Then throw in the factor of non-domestic pharmacies that are supplying generics made outside the U.S. I would assume the FDA only evaluates generics manufacturerd in the U.S. Correct?
So it seems the only way to determine which overseas manufacturers are producing quality generics is via trial and error, much of which is not very clearly documented in these boards. The idea of using my body as a test laboratory isn't very appealing. There's a comments or two here and there about this and that generic brand but no where can you easily find a clear consensus that Brand X, factory in India, produced quality Diazepam.
For generics made in the United States, it is easy to see if the generic is any good or not, just do a look up on the FDA's 'Orange Book' and do a search on the active ingredient:
http://www.fda.gov/cder/ob/default.htm
Is there any site out there that has a broader coverage of manufacturers of generics. It seems most of the generic manufacturers that come up in the orange book are not the ones being sold in the IOPs. It would be really usueful is someone compiled a website that didn't just rate online pharmacies, like this site, but rated in some structured way besides a forum discussin, the generic brand quality of the most popular drugs so you could see a list of them with star ratings just like you do for the pharmacies.
One question I do have is that does the quality vary that much from country to country with the same manufacturer?
One thing from my readings seems to indicate that the vast majority of generics in the U.S. and overseas are typically 20% less effective so by rule of thumb expect to have to increase the does by 20% from what the dosage pharmacology information indicates for that particular drug.
It's all about the money and as the saying goes, you (usually) get what you pay for.
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tone
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Loc: Chicago
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I just couldnt see a company using 20% less of a drug in a pill just because the law allows it. for the vast majority of drugs, that wouldnt be worth it because it would save a penny a pill. they might as well use the full amount and gain a good reputation, since the amount of drug in the pill is only a fraction of the production cost. why do you think extra strenth pills are usually only a little more money to buy than regular strenth. its not the drug in the pill thats valuable. cheap chemicals.
so how is it that you get what you pay for? yea you pay for a brand name who has a lot of advertising costs to cover because they constantly advertise and brainwash with brand name recognition
so, i doubt it happens much, but what if a generic of Drug X has 45 mg in the pill and the Brand Name has 52 mg? Brand name costs double lets say. still it doesnt have nearly double the medicine, you might as well get 60 pills of the 45mg ones instead of 30 of the 52mg ones and you get a lot more.
One day i may take a drug from to seperate brands and notice a difference, but so far thats never happened to me, ever
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zippy66
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Jazee, Sh*t or get off the pot! Order something already. IF your time is worth money, you could have saved by randomly ordering than keep picking brains. ITs time to offer advice and experience.
zip66
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CARLITOS_WAY
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Reged: 06/27/04
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Loc: WASHINGTON, USA
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Please just order!!!! 
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DeeManding
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Reged: 10/07/04
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Loc: Philly
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It's all about the money and as the saying goes, you (usually) get what you pay for.
Well in my opinion and deranged analytical mind. I think the generics are stronger and i'll tell you why.
Insurance companys and pharmacies push the generics, correct? Well I mean you'll always get generic unless you specifically ask for BRAND and your Ins Co will allow it or your doctor suggests that 'no substitutions are permissable'. So the turn-over or replacement rate would be higher. I believe the BRAND sits on the shelf longer cause of costs and the other reasons I stated above.The longer a med sits the more it loses right? They have expiration dates normally 1 yr from the date filled written on the bottle. How long was it from manufacturer to pharm and them to patient?
Call my crazy ( everyone else does) but I always go for the generic
It really doesn't matter as long as you get something to fix your ailments
just the .02 cent of a new comer.I am so excited I just got the message that i have posting rights... YIPPEE!!!!!! I can speak I can speak
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Edited by DeeManding (10/10/04 10:20 PM)
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stevesmith
Reged: 10/01/04
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Loc: Southern
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I just couldnt see a company using 20% less of a drug in a pill just because the law allows it. for the vast majority of drugs, that wouldnt be worth it because it would save a penny a pill. they might as well use the full amount and gain a good reputation, since the amount of drug in the pill is only a fraction of the production cost. why do you think extra strenth pills are usually only a little more money to buy than regular strenth. its not the drug in the pill thats valuable. cheap chemicals.
so how is it that you get what you pay for? yea you pay for a brand name who has a lot of advertising costs to cover because they constantly advertise and brainwash with brand name recognition
so, i doubt it happens much, but what if a generic of Drug X has 45 mg in the pill and the Brand Name has 52 mg? Brand name costs double lets say. still it doesnt have nearly double the medicine, you might as well get 60 pills of the 45mg ones instead of 30 of the 52mg ones and you get a lot more.
One day i may take a drug from to seperate brands and notice a difference, but so far thats never happened to me, ever
I have had now 3+ doctors and 3+ pharmacists all telll me that YES generics are 20% less and YES the drug companies do pinch that 20%. You say it only saves a penny a pill. THAT's ALOT OF $$$$$$$$$$$ when you conisder that a pharmacy buy Diazepam in bulk for less than 5 cents a pill. so YES I do beleive saving even a penny a pill is making ALOT of money for the big companies. but yeah it's not worth paying the inflated amount for 20% more. my local pharmacy: 50 10mg diazepam = 10.00 50 10 valium name brand = 130.00
just my opinion but saving a penny a pill adds up when yer manufacturing millions of pills
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Edited by stevesmith (10/15/04 09:37 AM)
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jazee
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I've ordered already and from multiple source. I've got about $300+ sunk into generic experimentation which kind of defeats the purpose of buying the generics in the first place. Duh, I wouldn't have posted this message in the first place if I hadn't already had suspect results from generics.
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pwptds
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Reged: 09/02/04
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Loc: Highway to Heaven
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Hi, just my .02 cents ...
if I've got the $$, I'll pay to get the brand name. But 9 times out of 10, I don't, so I get the generics. Sometimes I feel like they don't work as good...but it could be all in my mind!
As long as it stops the pain, I'll pay anything!
peace

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TropicBreez
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Reged: 09/30/04
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I think it all depends on the medication itself and the generic company that makes it. All generic companies are not made equal.
I noticed that my Albuterol didn't work anymore when I started to get generic. At first I didn't even think that the medicine could be it, I thought my asthma had gotten worse. My doctor told me to get the brand name when I went to the pharmacy, and if that didn't help, then he would change the medication. Well I saw a huge difference in the effectiveness between the generic and the brand. I do not care that the generic is $10 and the brand is $35. I can either pay $10 for water or $35 for medicine.
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stevesmith
Reged: 10/01/04
Posts: 431
Loc: Southern
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I think it all depends on the medication itself and the generic company that makes it. All generic companies are not made equal.
I noticed that my Albuterol didn't work anymore when I started to get generic. At first I didn't even think that the medicine could be it, I thought my asthma had gotten worse. My doctor told me to get the brand name when I went to the pharmacy, and if that didn't help, then he would change the medication. Well I saw a huge difference in the effectiveness between the generic and the brand. I do not care that the generic is $10 and the brand is $35. I can either pay $10 for water or $35 for medicine.
that's true but NOT all generic VS name brand prices are created equal . My name brand name V's seem 2x as potent as the generics . BUt the name brand V's are 13x the price!!!!!!! If the name brand name V cuts were 13x as potent then it woudl be worth it lol But they're not
WOW UPDATE!!!!
ok my local friend who ahs pharmacy prices are = 50
Generic V 10mg = $10.00
50 NAME BRAND Valium = $130.00
Just called Rite Aid
Generic V 10mg = $25.00
50 NAME BRAND Valium = $199.00
INSANE!!!!! these pharmacies get these pills so dirt cheap like for pennies
Just my personal experience at my local pharmacy with this particular drug (Valium)
Edited by stevesmith (10/16/04 12:06 PM)
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dannytribble
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Reged: 08/03/04
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Loc: AL. U.S.
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Local pharmacys around here vary rite aid 120 10/500 mallies $81.00 local owned 120 10/500 watson $26.00!
Big difference
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stevesmith
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Loc: Southern
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Local pharmacys around here vary rite aid 120 10/500 mallies $81.00 local owned 120 10/500 watson $26.00!
Big difference
yeah dont make sense
Most times local "mom & pop stores" of anykind are more expensive. I went to my local pharmacy first b/c I knew him & his family for years but even if I didnt I have a "mom & pop" business The price difference between the local and retail pharmacy is almost as insane as the price difference between generics & name brands
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