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virola
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Interesting Link: Dihydrocodeine, Biotran
      #192324 - 10/09/04 03:35 AM

The author apparently sees himself as a former abuser of dihydrocodeine and his overall message is for those who are anti-abuse. It is long and somewhat interesting and espouses some viewpoints that I don't share. i post it here because it mentions Biotran.

My only other comment and it is not a focal point of the article by any means, is that the author mentions that a particular online dealer was deceptively "Asian," as if that meant the person was more likely to be untrustworthy. I've lived in the West for over 30 years and another 15 in Asia and haven't found a correlation between trustworthiness and race yet.

http://uk.geocities.com/brown_addict/contugesic.htm


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Re: Interesting Link: Dihydrocodeine, Biotran [Re: virola]
      #192369 - 10/09/04 11:25 AM

yup, saw that article before. makes me want to buy a violin. didn't have the patience to sift through, or even ctrl/F this link but i wouldn't doubt he wrote little disparaging comments against "asians". i'm half japanese. does that mean i get to be honest only half the time? of course, there's no correlation between trustworthiness and race. so silly. i know you meant that as satire. btw, what part of asia did you used to live in?

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Re: Interesting Link: Dihydrocodeine, Biotran [Re: virola]
      #192739 - 10/10/04 09:26 PM

Sorry if this is a dumb question but....What is Dihydrocodeine?

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Re: Interesting Link: Dihydrocodeine, Biotran [Re: TheNewGuy]
      #192742 - 10/10/04 09:37 PM

I am pretty sure that the brand name for dihydrcodone is Zydone but not absoulutly 100% sure. It is supposed to break down slower than hydrocodone therefor last longer, but I haven't noticed any difference. I stick with hydrocodone 10/325 by watson, less tylenol there for it works better and does not cause so much liver damage.

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Re: Interesting Link: Dihydrocodeine, Biotran [Re: dws1]
      #192743 - 10/10/04 09:41 PM

Zydone is hydrocodone and APAP

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Re: Interesting Link: Dihydrocodeine, Biotran [Re: CARLITOS_WAY]
      #192745 - 10/10/04 09:53 PM

thanks for clearing that up about Zydone my friend and I have been sitting here arguing about it! SO what is the brand name of dihydrocodone I don't have my PDR out and it would be easier just to ask. I see that youre fron DC i miss it up there. I have alot of friends still in Georgetown and my family doesn't live too far from there. IT is too hot and humid here in FL!

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Re: Interesting Link: Dihydrocodeine, Biotran [Re: dws1]
      #192749 - 10/10/04 10:04 PM

there are 2 brands of dhc that i am aware of...

codesic (instant release)
contugesic (timed release)

codesic comes in 30 mg. and contugesic comes in 60 mg.

i am curious as to what other brands exist.

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Re: Interesting Link: Dihydrocodeine, Biotran [Re: AngelWolf13]
      #192751 - 10/10/04 10:13 PM

another name for dihydrocodone is Panlor which has dihydrocodone caffiene and apap. Also DHC plus is an name for dihydrocodone.

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Re: Interesting Link: Dihydrocodeine, Biotran [Re: dws1]
      #192752 - 10/10/04 10:16 PM

Panlor SS is what was prescribed to me once. I thought it had no effect compared to hydro.
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Re: Interesting Link: Dihydrocodeine, Biotran [Re: 4U2NV]
      #192754 - 10/10/04 10:30 PM

Yea, I find that hydro 10 325's made by watson work the best!

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Re: Interesting Link: Dihydrocodeine, Biotran [Re: AngelWolf13]
      #192758 - 10/10/04 10:40 PM

There is Synalgos-DC by Wyeth

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Re: Interesting Link: Dihydrocodeine, Biotran [Re: CARLITOS_WAY]
      #192759 - 10/10/04 10:47 PM

yea, I couldn't remember how it was spelled so I didn't put it in my post. I feel like an idiot when I post the wrong info. I know that some brands have asa some have apap. I think Panlor has asa. I am allergic to aspirin so I'll have to remember that.

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Re: Interesting Link: Dihydrocodeine, Biotran [Re: dws1]
      #193027 - 10/12/04 03:32 AM

Dihydrocodeine (DHC) is available in cough medicines never pure but mixed with a variety of other things such as antihistamines and ephedrine here in Japan. It seems like it is nearly impossible to get in pure form lately on line. The places that used to have it all ran out. There is some mention of that on another thread here. On the "Who Has It" forum there is more general info too if you do a search. Some of the places mentioned as having it for sale no longer do, at least in pure form and in general it is near impossible to find right now. Biotran has been out of it for about a year also. Pharm88 is out of it. Medscorp never sent theirs when I ordered and if you do a search you'll see that many people claim they have not received their meds from Medscorp and their clone Ultimatepharm. No matter what they say on their web page about guarantees, they don't give refunds when you don't receive your order, naturally. Scammers don't give refunds!

As to the question of what is Dihydrocodeine? DHC is not the Synalgos-DC nor Panlor SS nor anything ending in ***codone, which I think are types of hydrocodone, far more powerful opiates. DHC is roughly as weak as codeine and that is why it is available over the counter in some countries. In Britain dihydrocodeine is available in minor amounts along with lots of liver melting APAP, over the counter. PDR says is about 1.5 times stronger than regular codeine which it is otherwise pretty similar to. It is slightly less sedating or speedier to some people compared to regular codeine so some people prefer it or the original form of codeine for that reason. Some people dislike it for that same reason. Some people say that the pain killing properties of the Dihydrocodeine is fairly equal to codeine but others say the DHC variety is 1 1/2 stronger. I don't think many people use it very long recreationally because like regular codeine it is weak to begin with, has nearly no euphoric qualities and tolerance soon turns any such value from weak to nil. And you can't keep taking higher and higher doses as your liver can't process more than 300-400 mgs at once, so after that it will just bypass your blood/brain.

I'd be careful ordering from anyone who says they have it available in pure form, without APAP or some other additive without a prescription as that is a good sign the whole company is a scam. The scammers always offer the biggest tempters; hydro, pure codeine or pure DHC just to call in the people in need and then they steal your coin.

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Re: Interesting Link: Dihydrocodeine, Biotran [Re: virola]
      #193095 - 10/12/04 09:36 AM

Thanks for so much great info! Where did you come from, Virola? We need more posts from you!

I come from a chemistry perspective and feel like adding something for the other chemistry geeks - first, it's analgesic potency in basically animal assays is only 1.15 that of codeine. Second, dihydrocodeine basically IS codeine. It's the codeine molecule with a single bond between two carbons, whereas codeine has a double bond. The term "dihydro" comes from this - carbons need 4 bonds to be happy, and in the codeine molecule the double bond helps to do this. But with the single bond, the 2 carbons need to bind hydrogens to fill the 4-bond rule, hence "dihydro".

Like Virola said, it's not as special as people may think. In the 1930s, for reasons still not clear but maybe having to do with the war, the Brits went with DHC and we went with hydrocodone for stronger pain relief than could be had over the counter. Hydrocodone is of course stronger, and I don't know if they just give patients a ton of DHC in Britain or what, but they still don't use hydrocodone very much. Weird, huh?

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Re: Interesting Link: Dihydrocodeine, Biotran [Re: WickedNoah]
      #193096 - 10/12/04 09:43 AM

Quote:

Thanks for so much great info! Where did you come from, Virola? We need more posts from you!

I come from a chemistry perspective and feel like adding something for the other chemistry geeks - dihydrocodeine basically IS codeine. It's the codeine molecule with a single bond between two carbons, whereas codeine has a double bond. The term "dihydro" comes from this - carbons need 4 bonds to be happy, and in the codeine molecule the double bond helps to do this. But with the single bond, the 2 carbons need to bind hydrogens to fill the 4-bond rule, hence "dihydro".

Like Virola said, it's not as special as people may think. In the 1930s, for reasons still not clear but maybe having to do with the war, the Brits went with DHC and we went with hydrocodone for stronger pain relief than could be had over the counter. Hydrocodone is of course stronger, and I don't know if they just give patients a ton of DHC in Britain or what, but they still don't use hydrocodone very much. Weird, huh?

Noah





our politicians or their politicians or the big drug companies might all have soem deal where we get hydro they get codeine or whatever. who knows. I think USA says it is an old dangerous drug, but we will pump kids full of anti-depressants til they commit suicide all day long in the good ole USA

just my thoughts

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Re: Interesting Link: Dihydrocodeine, Biotran [Re: stevesmith]
      #193100 - 10/12/04 09:51 AM

Quote:

our politicians or their politicians or the big drug companies might all have soem deal where we get hydro they get codeine or whatever. who knows. I think USA says it is an old dangerous drug, but we will pump kids full of anti-depressants til they commit suicide all day long in the good ole USA

just my thoughts




I know that most of the opiates and semisynthetic opiates (hydro, oxy, DHC, etc.) were first made in the 1930s. It's really a mystery why some were never looked at again and why some are now among the top 10 bestselling drugs in America. I mean, of course, some of them sucked, but quite a few, including monoacetylmorphine, are very potent. And why some nations adopted some of these compounds, while others adopted some others, and some, like monoacetylmorphine, were just tossed out. Maybe it has to do with the nationality of the lab that synthesized it. That might make sense, especially when you consider the tensions between nations back then.

Noah


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Re: Interesting Link: Dihydrocodeine, Biotran [Re: WickedNoah]
      #193341 - 10/13/04 03:49 AM

Did I post this thread in the right place?

By the way, I've been a member here for years, I just don't usually post as I really don't have enough info to add about these different OPs because as I don't have any experience with many of them. I too like to read a lot about pharmacology before I take anything.

I crushed my fifth lumbar vertebrae to 55% it's former height three years ago and the doctor prescribed me 30 NSAID's with something to help my stomach, and two single Silece (ie; the date rape drug, Rophynol). Maybe he wanted to rape me preferring his victim in pain? As you can guess, it didn't take long before I crawled to the computer and started looking around for a stronger pain killer. In Japan doctors are afraid of prescribing opiates, at least the one I went to. I think most doctors would agree with me that something stronger than Advil or Motrin was called for!! To this day, I still have never gone beyond codeine or DHC as I do not have access and the pain is rarely that bad anymore. It is probably just as well I have no access to anything else as I'd likely enjoy it too much and get addicted.

Also, I just googled this up by typing in "Panlor" and it shows I was wrong, the two drugs mentioned above by others are indeed Dihydrocodeine and not forms of hydrocodone:

PANLOR DC (OBSOLETE)
Generic Name: aspirin/ caffeine/ dihydrocodeine
Brand Names: Panlor DC (obsolete), Synalgos-DC


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