Daeshay76
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2 weeks ago my doc rx'ed me 2 mg of xanax to take at bedtime because i had a sleep study done and only reached a level 2 of sleep (i think it was called REM) i have been taking the meds every night but forgot to take it last night...this morning after waking i was forgetful and later on during the day it felt as my whole insides were shaking and i felt sick to my stomach and felt tired but couldnt sleep...also while laying down i had jerks throughout my body ( i also take hydro for fibro about 4-8 pills per day depending on pain)i am not too sure of what the w/d are for xanax since this is my first experience with it and if these are w/d i am having from this med i no longer want to take it..i swear it felt as if my whole insides was just going to shake out of me...i am also diabetic so it made me think that my blood sugar may have been low but i have checked it through out the day and it has been fine...i also have noticed that i have a dull headache almost like a tension headache starting in my neck and then moving up...can any one give any advice to me on what the w/d are like from xanax?? and also to taper off this med...i swear i felt as tho all day i was going to have a panic attack because when i laid down it felt as tho my heart was skipping beats which got me all panicky and almost had a panic attack...if these are w/d from this med i no longer want to take it and i know that you just can not quit this cold turkey...so what should i do?? also i dont know if the jerking in my legs,arms,face and all other body parts are from the xanax or hydro?? any suggestions would be great....thanks to all for any info that is provided to me
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Honestly, I have been on benzo's for a long, long time. And even though 2mg is a high dose, you shouldn't have benzo w/d after only two weeks. If you had benzo w/d youd think you were in hell. You can get more info here. I honestly don't believe it's benzo w/d. Best of luck.
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I hate to disagree, but I too have been on benzos for 15+ years and have even had to cold-turkey xanax, and what you describe fits what I experieneced very much. Benzos affect the GABA in your brain, which is contained in most aspects of your brain, so it has some pretty bad w/d effects. And fwiw most of the medical literature says that a person can become addicted enough in 2 weeks to possibly go through some w/d. Read up on benzo withdrawal and see if it sounds like what you experienced. Or a real good test would be that if you are feeling 'that way' just take one of your xanax. If you return to norm pretty quickly then you probably found your culprit.
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I agree with Listvoer. It's not a coincidence that your feeling the way you are directly after stopping xanax. I took xanax daily for a few years and getting off of it was torture. It lets you know that xanax can get a hold of you in a short period of time. Everyone reacts differently to meds. Your discomfort will subside shortly. Fortunately you only took xanax for two weeks. Good luck and hang in there.
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I hate to disagree, but I too have been on benzos for 15+ years and have even had to cold-turkey xanax, and what you describe fits what I experieneced very much. Benzos affect the GABA in your brain, which is contained in most aspects of your brain, so it has some pretty bad w/d effects. And fwiw most of the medical literature says that a person can become addicted enough in 2 weeks to possibly go through some w/d. Read up on benzo withdrawal and see if it sounds like what you experienced. Or a real good test would be that if you are feeling 'that way' just take one of your xanax. If you return to norm pretty quickly then you probably found your culprit.
L - been there so many times I could write a book about it.
Wild. I believe Listvoer and I have much in common. I too have been on benzo's for 15 plus years! Your 'test' is a great idea! That should put all suspicion to rest. I hate debates, but any physician will tell you not to take benzo's for more than two weeks because they may become habit forming! She says she missed a dose after only two weeks and got ill. That boat don't float. Also, keep in mind, concerning GABA receptors, the half-life of the benzo. Xanax has a short half life. I have never had benzo w/d from xanax missing one dose. Usually it takes 2 days (thats 6 doses) before I begin to feel it, and 6 days with Valium. cha-ching .02
If it is benzo w/d I highly recommend you taper off them now before you ARE hooked. Please have a look.
In any case... this should be helpful to you. Benzo FAQ
Believe me when I say, I know the pain of benzo w/d cold turkey. Best of luck. Hope this helps.
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Dah, I was prescribed Xanax once and could not stand it because the tolerance built up so fast. The first two times I took 0.5mg before bed and felt it well into the next day, but it disappeared rapidly and after about 2 weeks I stopped and felt a lot of what you described. The only place my experience differed is that I didn't have panic attacks. But the dull, spreading tension headache is dead-on; man, I can feel it now, just thinking about it! And you're right, no cold-turkey with benzos. They're Schedule IV, while hydro is Schedule III, but getting off hydro is the Love Boat compared to the Titanic of benzo withdrawal. Benzos play with every part of your brain, while opiates just mess around in specific areas.
I forgot what the typical taper schedule is, but I would imagine something like dropping 0.5mg once every 5-7 days would be relatively painless, if you have that many.
There might be other benzos that are better for you. For instance, what is it with Klonopin, anyway? I read on another thread comparing Valium to Xanax (a thread reanimated by Eeyore, a benzo guru and a very nice person) that Klonopin is less addictive to at least some people than either Valium or Xanax. That's weird, because I actually got huge buzzes off of Klonopin, and nothing relieved muscle tension better, all without making me feel lobotomized. Plus, it helped me sleep. But I never thought about it if I didn't have tension headaches, despite the buzz it gave me. Maybe it would work for you, too.
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Withdrawal from xanax is similar to Hell. IMO. I don't know why someone would start you out that high of a doseage. You and I have talked before so please don't misunderstand me. You have to take the doseage same time every day or you start to feel lethargic and then worse. I would cut back before I started out on the maximum doseage. I took that drug for four years and I'm here to tell you it's hell to stop taking it. But it is possible. I only want good things for you Dashey and I know you posted you are seeing a new Pain Management Doctor. Don't listen to me. If that's the course she wants you on try to follow it. Or, if you are having problems call her/him. Take care of yourself.
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Withdrawal from xanax is similar to Hell. IMO. I don't know why someone would start you out that high of a doseage. You and I have talked before so please don't misunderstand me. You have to take the doseage same time every day or you start to feel lethargic and then worse. I would cut back before I started out on the maximum doseage. I took that drug for four years and I'm here to tell you it's hell to stop taking it. But it is possible. I only want good things for you Dashey and I know you posted you are seeing a new Pain Management Doctor. Don't listen to me. If that's the course she wants you on try to follow it. Or, if you are having problems call her/him. Take care of yourself.
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2 weeks at 2mg is long enough to have W/D... You could sue your GP if he dosnt help you thru this problem....
Pm for W/D details, the PDR has a great way to wean off aplrazolam, with out problems. By now your body may be used to no alprazaolam.
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If that's the case, they must be the earliest stages of benzo w/d that don't even compare to the evil that is hard-core use, cold turkey w/d. IMO!!
In any case, I hope you feel better! I'm in Opioid w/d right now. Best of luck.
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Daeshay- That sure sounds like withdrawal symptoms to me. When i am late in taking my dose in the morning, I feel those same symptoms ! But I have to take it, because it has helped me tremedously.
Xanax is ( in my humble opinion ) the strongest, fastest acting benzo out there.
I say this because, after attempting to switch to other benzo families, I found that they had minimal effect on me.
So I am back to xanax. Just 1 mg daily for over a year now has done the trick for my generalized anxiety disorder. I am thankful that my tolerance level has not built up, to where I have to increase the dose after more than a year.
Please don't try cold turkey. It's dangerous. Maybe gradually decrease your dose, or ask dr. for a weaker benzo, and gradually decrease.
Just my 2 cents based on my personal experience.opinions. Everyone's body is different.
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Xanax is the most addictive drug of all. Do not take any longer than recommended. I went thru two months of withdraw. The worst experience I have ever had. It is like going to hell and staying there. Had to go back on it. Also with the heart pounding thing while laying down sleep on your right side it will not be as loud. This is one bad drug doctors thought solved all.
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Xanax is ( in my humble opinion ) the strongest, fastest acting benzo out there. I say this because, after attempting to switch to other benzo families, I found that they had minimal effect on me.
So I am back to xanax. Just 1 mg daily for over a year now has done the trick for my generalized anxiety disorder. I am thankful that my tolerance level has not built up, to where I have to increase the dose after more than a year.
That matches my experience. I was pretty disappointed when I found that Valium was just not going to cut it for me, when I decided to start tapering. I'm now down to .25mg xanax twice a day, and hopefully can be off of this in another month or so.
To the OP: Even if these are w/d symptoms, two weeks is a very short period of time, and I doubt your GABA-ergic system has been much effected. You've gotten plenty of good advice here already. I'd say you're lucky that you discovered quickly that you were overly sensitive to it in some way, and I offer you my best wishes with your problems.
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Daeshay76
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thank you all to the responses you have given me...after i posted i went to the pharmacy and picked up my script since i had forgotten to take the night before i went ahead and took 1mg of the xanax and i swear 45min later i felt so so so much better!! the feelings i had was awful! i didnt think it would be like that just after barely 2 weeks on this med...but what i am going to do right now is stay on the 1mg at night only for about a week or so then cut that down to .5 for a week or so then half the .5mg for a week or so then hopefully i will be off this Best if kept off the board! me being a single mom of 2 i can not and will not allow myself to feel like i did yesterday ever again...i actually thought i was dying! i may sound crazy only being on the meds a little over 2 weeks but i have a low tolerance to meds i guess and my PCP is kinda dumb or crazy i should say because before the xanax he had me on 20mg of ambien and i didnt realize that i should only be taking 1 of the 10mg but he had told me to take 2 at bedtime...curious...you have been a great help to me..very dear friend!! i do thank all of you from the bottom of my heart for your concerns and i will check the links out because without you guys i would of just thought i was going crazy and not going through w/d from this med...if any of you have advice for tapering or alternatives to this med that are not addicting i am all for hearing about it please post or PM me with the info...again i thank every single one of you!!
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while i was typing my post i was calling my doctor and told him i wasnt going to take this med any longer he said "great" and told me that he would call me in Gabitril (sp?) and clonodine (sp?) in to help with the w/d symptoms?? is this a good med to take for this type of stuff? i do not want to be on the xanax any longer for the simple fact of what happened to me yesterday...it scared me really bad!! he said it would be a low dose and if it didnt help to call him back tomorrow ...weird to me he is the one that answered the phone and not the nurse. i am praying to god that this will help me...if it doesnt what will i do? i am at the stage of being scared,not wanting to do this any longer and desperation i guess but i am just scared i gues...sorry to ramble on but i have no idea on this or what to do and in some ways i dont trust my doctor then again i do...sorry again to be rambling
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IMO benzo w/d is about as close as I can imagine being truly insane must feel like. I'm torn on what's the best method to use when one finally gets the nerve to start tapering. I've tapered from xanax, valium, ativan, bromazepam, nitrazepam, clonazepam, triazolam, and more, and it seems that no matter what, it is sheer torture. After coming off Valium (long half-life so it's relatively painless..... NOT!) I'm not sure whether i'd rather spend 2 whole weeks in a mental and physical bizarro-world praying for death and not have to worry about seizures and other bad effects that are more common with the fast-acting & fast-leaving benzos, OR pick a benzo to taper with that has a bit shorter half-life (a week or less for all metabolites!) and then take an anti-seizure med along with it to keep that danger away until your body starts taking over production again. I"ll have to run that past the Doc... I just know I WILL NEVER go through benzo cold turkey (or even fast-taper) again, even if it means tapering for years.
To the original poster, you may have no trouble since it's been only 2 weeks, but generally most folk recommend tapering much more slowly than that, say dropping by .25mg every week or 10 days, then staying there until all is normal and then cutting the dose a shave more and see how that feels.
Best thing I can recommend is to do a google search on benzobusters and also on Dr. Ashton Method xanax withdrawal (the links may have already been posted above.. if so, sorry!) That is a great resource of info on most things benzo-related, although they definitely have an anti-benzo stance. I'm anti-benzo too, but after this long trying different meds to feel normal, i've had to come to the conclusion that benzos are the only thing that actually does what I need it to do... talk about love/hate...
Good luck, don't worry, if you're jittery cut out as much stimulants (even caffiene & cigs) and you should be just fine. Also try to stretch those muscles or get a little cardio-action going if you can, as AWFUL as that sounds when you're feeling that way. I have found that just riding the stationary bicycle in the house for a bit while watching TV helped me to get that adrenaline-shakey feeling more under control, and water water water water water drink plenty of water. I don't know if it helps or is placebo, but I know those tricks helped pull me out of the depths of hell..
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ETA: Your doc seems to be on the right track. Catapres (clonidine) is a heart med IIRC and will help you with the shakes and jitters. I highly recommend that and menant to mention it. I'm not sure what the other drug is by the name given, so unfortunately I can't help there. Good luck and don't stress too hard on this - the more you worry and freak, the worse you make the symptoms seem..
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IMO benzo w/d is about as close as I can imagine being truly insane must feel like. I'm torn on what's the best method to use when one finally gets the nerve to start tapering. I've tapered from xanax, valium, ativan, bromazepam, nitrazepam, clonazepam, triazolam, and more, and it seems that no matter what, it is sheer torture. After coming off Valium (long half-life so it's relatively painless..... NOT!) I'm not sure whether i'd rather spend 2 whole weeks in a mental and physical bizarro-world praying for death and not have to worry about seizures and other bad effects that are more common with the fast-acting & fast-leaving benzos, OR pick a benzo to taper with that has a bit shorter half-life (a week or less for all metabolites!) and then take an anti-seizure med along with it to keep that danger away until your body starts taking over production again. I"ll have to run that past the Doc... I just know I WILL NEVER go through benzo cold turkey (or even fast-taper) again, even if it means tapering for years.
Brother... IF PEOPLE ONLY KNEW I'm in big trouble. I went cold many times, but only for a week or 2, once I went cold to QUIT, and my mind was my enemy for 3 months. Pure demonic hell! After going through all that, I went out and got more THINKING THAT I COULD HANDLE IT! Now I can't even tell you how much Xan, and Val, I'm taking. I'm SO glad you called your Dr. to tell him you weren't going to take them anymore. You saved yourself from months, even years of H E L L !! I think I should call my Dr. as well. I'm not as bold.
Best of luck. Let us know how you do.
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I have been told that one of the side effects of Xanax is stroke. So be careful, all, not to confuse withdrawal from being close to having a stroke!
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Listvoer
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I'm not sure about strokes, but I am certain in the knowledge that benzo w/d can cause seizures. I'm no doc, but i've been 'on' benzos for about 15 years so I have some experience in this area. I'll leave the specifics to the experts, but generally benzos (a drug family xanax is a member of) have anti-seizure properties in them, and if you take them long enough your body slacks off the production of it's own anti-seizure chemicals because you're doing such a fine job with the meds. When you quit, especially the fast-acting benzos like xanax & ativan, your body suddenly has a large lack of anti-seizure chemicals from the benzos, and your body's anti-seizure mechanisms are still on vacation because of your pill intake. This makes for a very dangerous situation. I know someone who came 'this close" to not only killing himself but who knows how many others because of a xanax w/d seizure he had while driving, about 3 days after quitting cold-turkey. It wasn't a low dose he was taking, but it wasn't a huge one either. He had been taking them for years though, probably ranging from 1-5 MG daily, which does have an affect on the severity of w/d too. He was lucky in that when he had his seizure his SUV careened across a major highway, across the street from a school, and slammed into the ice & soda machines at a gas station. Somehow he missed the gas pumps and anything else, but that's not the end. The impact was hard enough that the SUV jumped into reverse, shot back out of the parking lot (missing the pumps again) and ended up slamming into a car on the highway, flipping over the SUV and doing untold damage to the othe vehicle. Fortunately by the grace of whatever, nobody was seriously hurt which is a miracle in itself. To beat it all, the fellow called poison-control the night before, at about 48 hours of cold-turkey, and the fool on the other end of the phone told him that if he'd made it 2 days with no major problems, the danger was over. Fast foreward a day and the the above scene played out. I could tell more horror stories, but I think that will suffice. I know I fear benzo w/d like almost nothing else I know, because I have been through them more than once before the net & before I learned so much about how benzos affect the GABA in your brain and what a malfunction in that area can do. Please be careful folks, and if/when you decide to quit these mad meds, take it sloooooooooooly. I've been thru hydro & oxy w/d and i'll take a double-dose of those before trying to kick benzos cold-turkey.. And THAT is saying something IMO..
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Man, these stories are scary! I take about 1 hydro a day, going without it is not to bad for me but I have been taking 10-20mg of valium a day for 2 years now. I have gone a few days without it but I think because I had taken a hydro I didn't notice any bad reactions.
Now I am left with 1 refill of 60 10mg valiums, I have a few xanax's but what should I do so I can taper off with those 60 that I am about to re-fill ? I want to be valium free!
Should I try 1 10mg a day and see how that does or is that to fast of a taper ??
PM me if you have any advice on this situation, its really my fault as I never thought of the affects of having to stop but I am kinda forced to know, other reasons but I can't be taking valium regulary anymore.
Anyone with any ideas for me ?
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You could try taking just one and see what happens... at worst, you'll start feeling the beginnings of w/d and you can take half of another one, or 3/4 or whatever it takes to get you 'even' again. Personally, i've detoxed from a 2-3 year valium habit, much slower than you are thinking about, and I hate to tell you but it qualifies up there as 2 of the worst weeks of my entire life.. or at least it's in the top 5 worst-times for sure. I personally would place an order ASAP for a bunch of 10mg, 5mg, and 2mg valium. There are MANY taper schedules, but below is one I found that worked really well if you have the patience. It takes over a year, but it's starting from 40mg a day. I detoxed off of about 70-100 mg per day (for a few years usage) and took about 3 months to do it, and it still was one of those top 5 "i'll never get in this boat again" adventures.... below is an example of a GOOD taper schedule I found on a site.. I think you could accelerate the schedule a bit, but the slower you go the less you'll feel it. Many can taper faster, but i'd almost guarantee the below will let you down slowly enough that your body won't completely freak out...
Daily Dosage Daily Dosage
Stage 1 1 week: 40 mg | Stage 37 2 weeks: 7 mg
Stage 2 1 week: 39 mg | Stage 38 2 weeks: 6.5 mg
Stage 3 1 week: 38 mg | Stage 39 2 weeks: 6 mg
Stage 4 1 week: 37 mg | Stage 40 2 weeks: 5.5 mg
Stage 5 1 week: 36 mg | Stage 41 2 weeks: 5 mg
Stage 6 1 week: 35 mg | Stage 42 2 weeks: 4.75 mg
Stage 7 1 week: 34 mg | Stage 43 2 weeks: 4.5 mg
Stage 8 1 week: 33 mg | Stage 44 2 weeks: 4.25 mg
Stage 9 1 week: 32 mg | Stage 45 2 weeks: 4 mg
Stage 10 1 week: 31 mg | Stage 46 2 weeks: 3.75 mg
Stage 11 1 week: 30 mg | Stage 47 2 weeks: 3.5 mg
Stage 12 1 week: 29 mg | Stage 48 2 weeks: 3.25 mg
Stage 13 1 week: 28 mg | Stage 49 2 weeks: 3 mg
Stage 14 1 week: 27 mg | Stage 50 2 weeks: 2.75 mg
Stage 15 1 week: 26 mg | Stage 51 2 weeks: 2.5 mg
Stage 16 1 week: 25 mg | Stage 52 2 weeks: 2.25 mg
Stage 17 1 week: 24 mg | Stage 53 2 weeks: 2 mg
Stage 18 1 week: 23 mg | Stage 54 2 weeks: 1.75 mg
Stage 19 1 weeks: 22 mg | Stage 55 2 weeks: 1.5 mg
Stage 20 1 weeks: 21 mg | Stage 56 2 weeks: 1.25 mg
Stage 21 2 weeks: 20 mg | Stage 57 2 weeks: 1 mg
Stage 22 2 weeks: 19 mg | Stage 58 2 weeks: 0.75 mg
Stage 23 2 weeks: 18 mg | Stage 59 2 weeks: 0.5 mg
Stage 24 2 weeks: 17 mg | Stage 60 2 weeks: 0.25 mg
1.) Based upon: From 40 down to 20, 2 mg cuts every two weeks, 1 mg less per week
2.) From 20 down to 10, 1 mg cuts every two weeks
3.) From 10 down to 5, 0.5 mg cuts. every two weeks
4.) From 5 onward, 0.25 mg cuts until finished
Scored 10mg, 5mg, and 2mg diazepam tablets will be needed to obtain the required dosages, cut with a razor.
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Would anyone suggest short term (very short - like 4 to 5 days) use of a benzo for opiate withdrawl?
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I would certainly want to have some benzos on hand if I were planning on w/d'ing from opiates. Just don't take the benzos like candy and certainly don't take them any longer than necessary (over 2 weeks is really pushing your luck). I don't know how much it will help the w/d itself, but IME having them around at least helped a bit with the muscle tension and body-jerks, plus it just helped keep me a bit more calm. Placebo, i dunno, but IMO it didn't hurt any...
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Absolutely. Just for the first few days. It would help reduce stress and would help you sleep better. But be cautious you wouldn't want to take a monkey off your back only to replace it with a silver back gorillia. Benzo's are much harder to shake than opiates.
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Would anyone suggest short term (very short - like 4 to 5 days) use of a benzo for opiate withdrawl?
The first time I withdrew from hydro I took Xanax and Klonopin at night to help me sleep, and by the 5th day after cold-turkeying the hydro, I was feeling a lot better. So I stopped the benzos, slept well that night, and woke up the next morning with the worst pain I've ever felt in my life. For three days it was impossible for me to move out of my bed; I lost a few pounds, I got a waxy complexion, I got hot and cold sweats, etc. Benzos, apparently, stacked all of my withdrawal symptoms into one big kaboom. If I was going to use benzos to help me off of opiates, I'd taper off the benzos, too, even if you only used them for 4-5 days.
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Its great that you called your doc. So many docs put people ON benzos without really knowing how to take them OFF. I take a benzo, but have tapered before...I used anti-convulsants, beta blockers, and sleeping pills to help me through (Dr Rx'd). Good luck, and maybe you should find a new (read: BETTER) doc.
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I used anti-convulsants, beta blockers, and sleeping pills to help me through
Could you explain a little bit how the beta-blockers work in relation to this? I've got a fair amount of propranalol, and am wondering if it can help with the tail end of my current tapering scheme...I thought that beta-blockers only affected peripheral adrenal levels, and not in the brain.
I was really annoyed to discover that diazepam didn't work well for me, as it's obviously so much easier to taper than alprazolam. Right now I'm taking .25mg doses cut from 1mg alprazolam tablets. I can't cut the tablets any smaller, so I think for the next stage I'm gonna have to start crushing the pills and weighing the powder. Thankfully I have a mg scale. I'm not about to spend a bunch of $ on .25mg tablets. It will be interesting to weigh some tablets and see for sure how consistent P&U's manufacturing methods are =)
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