sunflower29
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Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone knows from personal experience, heresay, gossip, rumours, little birdies, or by any means, which countries are most liberal about prescribing, I mean allowing the patient to explain to the doctor what their condition is, what treament is working, and doctor trusts in the patient, as long as the patient seems healthy and rational, to know what is best, and prescribe that medication without any fuss?
Are their certain countries where this is more the philsophy when it comes to prescribing? I'm mostly concerned about benzodiazepines, but this is important for pain sufferers as well, who feel they have to always convince their doctors that their pain is warranted for the medication requested.
I'd like to know so I can do some research, and perhaps work a vacation around it, although I'm somewhat limited by importation limits, although Canada does allow a three month supply, and I don't think that's limited to a particular number of pills, so if you're taking a lot, a three months supply may amount to a lot of pills.
Well, this was meant to be short and sweet...
Thanks to anyone who can post or PM me.
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kimbell1
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reat thread. I too would like to know if one would have to go to some place like Morrocco or is there a first world country that is humane?
My apologies to anyone that thinks I offended their country by implying that you would have to go to a 3rd world country just to get medicated. I know some of these countries are the STRICTEST in the world and one country can actually have you executed for even driving drunk-I used to know the name of that country but forgot. And it was on your first (and prsumably last) offense for drunk driving. And it was NOT a middleastern country but I think it was an east Euopean country
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jjt6
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Hey SF29, good topic, I don't have any info on perscription meds. I work with a guy who went to Amsterdamn, he said they sell many things there legally. I told him I had no intrest in recreational drugs, asked about perscription drugs or dr. visit, he had no info on that. I would be curious to here others experience. It bothers me sometimes what I have to go through just to get a script for amoxocillan. I had a tooth problem, while out of town, finnally had to call home and ask old dentist to phone in script, he made such a big deal about it, probably because he didn't know how to bill me for that service.
But I am planning a vacation latter this year, might include that on things to do list.
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drewsmerdel
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one word INDIA.
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kimbell1
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It is advertised in all the farmacias in Juarez. You buy in bulk I beleve 100 tablets or capsules or in 250 quantities. I don't remember the exact proce when I was there a few years ago but if was about $20.00 for 100 capsules. Always good to have a broad spectrum antibiotic on hand.
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kimbell1
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But I wonder if an Indian (not native American) doctor in the US would be so liberal?
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drewsmerdel
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A good friend of mine, his dad is from India, he is GP in the states, and no he dosnt had out SHIZNIT, not even to his own son.
This same friend went to India 3 months ago, sent home alot of benzos and some narcs. He said benzos could be bought OTC, but you are supposed to have a doc script(money is king). He found a doc that gave him a script for Morphine, I dont remember how much that doc was, could not have been much. He said the doc at first thought he was native, speaks well, then he said he just started pulling American money out of his wallet and Docs only question then was(in english) what do you want.
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salstar
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When I went to Thailand a few years ago, I remember being startled that you can just walk into a pharmacy anywhere and buy anything, and I do mean ANYTHING you want without any questions. You don't need a prescription and you don't need to see a doctor, you can just walk in and ask for what you want and if they stock it you can have it. In Bangkok it was a little different but in other areas it was as easy as buying a pair of shoes, particularly in the backpacker hotspots like Phuket for example, where there are lots of western travellers. At first I began explaining why I needed the meds and trying to justify it to the counter assistant but after a while it became apparent that they're just not interested. Infact, before I could finish my sentence they were reeling off all of the other meds they stock and how much they cost. They just want the money and are happy for you to buy whatever you want and if you get yourself into any kind of trouble then that's your problem, it's not their responsibility. I'm sure a lot of people will hate me for saying this but I think that's the way it should be all over the world. Why is it that you can walk into any shop and buy twenty bottles of Vodka without anyone batting an eyelid, but you have to go through all types of ridiculous formalities just for a couple of pills that, for most of the time, are for genuine physical or emotional problems. Anyway... that's a whole different thread.
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moonshade
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Good post- agree with u completely !!
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d989
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Portugal - They choose not to fight the war on drugs.. everything is legal.
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zippy66
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India, Thailand and some places in Sri lanka are easy to just get from the pharmacy. Eaaaasssy. EEEEEAAAAASSSY! Doctors are pretty liberal in most latin countries I have been to about prescribing but pharmacies (except maybe mexico) are really tight. Indonesia didn't work and I was too scared to try in Singapore.
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PJinAla
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FWIW...
I travel to Europe several times a year, especially to Holland, Belgium, and France. I have had to try to get pain meds there occasionally when I forgot them or ran out due to an extended stay. My experiences have been that in most Northern European countries (including Holland, France, Belgium, Germany, and Scandanavia), you MUST have a doctor's prescription to get many drugs, even some that are OTC here. Others that are totally illegal in the US are legal, or at least decriminalized. For example, although cannabis and some hallucinogens are legally and openly sold in Holland, many other common drugs are available only at a pharmacy. All narcotics of any type require a Dr.'s prescription. Even Tylenol ("paracetemol") is typically sold in small blister packs from behind the counter at drugstores (which are different than pharmacies, of which there are far fewer, and with very limited hours).
Also, doctors over there seem pretty conservative, and in my limited experience were reluctant to prescribe hydro or other narcotic pain relievers for headaches, backaches, etc., even with evidence of a US prescription.
On the other hand, in the UK, and some Southern European countries, I've noticed that you can purchase pain meds with small amounts of codiene (
Hope that helps...
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kimbell1
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The legal type found in the pharmacies along the boarder town according to some recent posts.
I have ben to Mexico and did in fact have a releiable means of obraining certain things wihtout perscription but this was a small pharmacy and the owner was smart enough to se how much the IOP's and op's were charging. So what was a bargan in 1998 became less thn the iop's but not a great bargan and stock and service gradually became sporadic in quality. For example during one of my first orders, I sent it off on Monday and got it on that Friday but that was the queickest. usually it took about 2 weeks. The last time, the owner and I had a falling out and I no longer will do business with this guy because he 'got his feeling hurt' and kept my money when all I wanted was a long overdue package that he said he had in stock.
But as far as GOING to Mexico, I can only tell of Juaez and most will not sell without a perscription. However, the place I used to order sold items at TWICE the rate without a erscription and you came out the same by getting one and it made it legal. Getting a Mexican perscirption is a joke in terms of ease but don't expect much beyond Tylenol 3 or Valium. I have seen Percodan once but that was the strongest.
Mexico is slowly but surely being pulled into line with the US. Canada is probably easier to get small amounts of codein called 222's. This is for headaches and supposedly sold behind the counter but without perscription-even at Walmarts according to one poster.
The further south you go, probably the easier it is to get whatever you want.
Of course, unless you can pass for a native, you take a lot of risks in Latin America in some countries since Kidnapping is a popular industry.
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zippy66
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Sunflower, if you are looking for a vacation/ buying spree go to Thailand. Stop in Bangkok for a few days to get oriented, do a pharmacy tour (they are everywhere) just stay away from the Kao San Road ones, they know travellers and are not so easy. Closer to china town or the big shopping areas, they are even happy to sell to you. Then head down to Ko Samui or Ko Samet and enjoy a few weeks in the sun. Or head up to Chiang Mai and see the Thai culture. But for easy pharms, stick to the bigger cities and don't be upset if the odd (responsible) one says no. Have a great vacation. I'm ready for one too. Last word is to stay away from Kao San road escept for a visit. They love to round up foreigners there with "possessions".
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zengaboyFB
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India works as well. $1.00 or .50cts will get you a pre-filled syringe of morphine.
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Eeyore27
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I've heard that about Portugal. A close girlfriend of mine used to date a guy whose parents immigrated from there, and while they were very strict about what he was allowed to do here in America, whenever they went to Portugal on vacation to visit relatives, he was allowed to stay out all night doing anything he darn well pleased. And this was when he was like 15 or 16 years old!! So that must tell you something about the laws over there being a little bit more liberal than over here in America.
I think this kid's parents were terrified that if he got in trouble here, he would be locked up for life, but once they got back to their homeland, they didn't give a rat's tail what he did.
He related stories about coming in at sunrise whacked out of his gord (probably off of some sort of stimulant, I never did ask him what he did while he was there, to be honest, but he was a massive speed taker here), and they never said a word to him about it.
If he did the same thing here, he would have had the snot beat out of him and been on punishment for months. I'm going back at least 13 to 14 years, on this of course, because that's how long ago we were all around 15 or 16 years old, but I'm sure you all get the point.
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