kimbell1
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I know this may be a long shot getting this question answered and I WAS in the process of winding up what I thought was a correction of a botched root canal down about 3 years ago and started to give me trouble a few months ago. This post may not be the board for this question or this category.
The root canal was re-done at a major dental school ( the only one that I know of in my state and I am lucky to live near the city) in their endo department. I had seen a private dentist about January because the tooth that had the root canal also had been capped by a dental chain had become sore to eat on that side of my mouth.
The private dentist I saw said that I need to see an endocologist (a dentist that specializes in root canals) and he said it would cost in his estimate, about $3000-$4000.
About the same time, I applied to this dental university (it is affiliated with a famous hospital so its not like its fly by night).
Long story short, in August the tooth acts up again and at the same time, I get accepted to be examined by the dental school . The tooth now had abcessed.
The endo work was done about 2 weeks ago. Last night, I gently brushed around the repaired tooth (I was told that I would need a new Best if kept off the board whcih I am scheduled to be seen mid September). But after brushing, I felt something strange in the area of the worked on tooth. An area of my gum was GONE and BONE was showing above the bottom of the capped tooth!
It is starting to get a little painful tonight and I immediately called the school this morning but was told that my September appointment was the earliest that I could stil get in unless there was a cancellation.
I am totally freaked seeing bone. I have taken good care of my teeth (or so I thought and brush and floss every time I eat or even drink soda-I skip flossing for that). That is how fanatical I am about my teeth since I took them for granted when I was young and vowed to keep them all if possible until I die.
The part of gun that is mising is like an up-side down 'V' shape about 1/4 of an inch at the widest point directly above the capped tooth (tooth #14 for dental professionals).
Are there any people who are dentists or work in a dentist's office that can let me know what to expect?
Can the gun simply grow back? I figure that the capped tooth had abcessed before i saw the private dentist and had secreted toxin into the gum area above the bad tooth and over time, rotted away the gum area. But I wonder why this did NOT show up on all the x-rays that the endo dentist took or when they gave me a full x-ray before taking me immediately to the endo department.
I hope that I caught what I think is now gingivitis early. I have read some scary treatments of gum treatments.
For those in the know, the dentist doing the endo work said that the tooth had a hairline fracture and might have to be pulled in maybe 5 years or not at all-just depends.
The bright side is that I did go to a dental school and if they can't fix my mouth, I don't know who can.
I post this since I have gotten a lot of positive feed back on this board and appreciate it.
I just want to know what I may be in for at this stage.
Thanks for any help .
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g13tomcat
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btw: its endontologist..... practice of endodontics; ie: gum disease.
tomcat
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dixiechick
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The correct term is endodontics preformed by an endodontist who specializes in root canals as the original poster said. A dentist who specializes in gum disease is called a periodontist.
As an answer to the posters question, no the tissue will not regrow. Once gum issue has receded the best you can do is to halt the progression and if necessary have a skin graft done to cover the exposed area. There are numerous reasons why the tissue has worn away from an abcess around the injured tooth to even age progression. That is why it is so important to use proper techniques and hygiene to keep the gum tissue as healthy and pink as you can.
Your best option is to talk in depth to your dentist and ask him what can be done. They didnt see anything on the xrays because tissue can not be xrayed. Dont worry, as long as you keep the area clean and brush it gently, it will not get any worse before your appointment. Just remember to bring it up with your Dr. so he is aware of how important it is to you.
Good luck
Dixie
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kimbell1
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Sorry about the use of the wrong term.
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JeanneLynn
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Kimball,
You need to go get some Coenzyme Q10. This is amazing stuff for gum disease. I had bleeding and painful gums and heard about Coenzyme Q10. Within a month of taking it (and I don't normally believe in supplements, I don't even take a daily vitamin), my gums no longer bled and were healthy and pink again! Do some online searches and you will see that this stuff is like a miracle drug for people with unhealthy gums! I take 250mg daily. It is an expensive supplement (I usually buy it at Sam's Club, 120 50mg caps for $15), but you can watch for it to be on sale at one of the drug chains like Riteaid or CVS. They have buy one get one free sales at times and then I stock up. But if you can't find it on sale, I think the cheapest place is Sam's Club.
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dixiechick
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You did use the correct term Kimbell, it was tomcat that i was referring too. 
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kimbell1
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I appreciate your dental posts. I may e mail my progress if anyone is interested. I will give the name of the school. A lot of people I know have used it and liked it.
Baylor School of Dentistry, Dallas, Texas.
PM if anyone wants the phone number. I would like to say a woman named Shelly is wonderful for helping with problems.
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Yeppers
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Hey Kimbell,
It may not actually be bone, but part of a tooth that was pulled, or part of a fractured tooth.
I had 3 wisdom teeth, and two cracked molars (eating too much ice and drinking too much soda) pulled in August of 2002. It was the most painful thing I have ever been through, and it took a good 8-10 weeks for my gums to really heal up.
At one point I went back (also a dental school, MUSC, and they told me all was fine, I was still healing.
Hope this helps.
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Beetlenut
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Hi Kimbell:
It sounds like you may be a candidate for a gingival graft? Dixiechick is right; that portion of your gum will not grow back.
Not to worry. I had four gingival grafts done about 20 years ago, because my gum had receded very drastically around four of my teeth almost exposing the root!
The most important consideration is finding a dentist that is very experienced in anesthesia because it really is a "big" procedure. The Dr. that I went to started in I.V. and I was put under completely for the procedure. He took the skin off the roof of my mouth (I envisioned a potato peeler . Anyway, after removing the tissue from the roof of the mouth, it was stitched around the roots of my problem teeth.
Sounds like an awful procedure, but I had very little pain. He prescribed Tylox (I believe), which was very effective for the little bit of pain I DID have.
I had no problems post-op, they healed quickly, and I have no problems whatsoever with my teeth now. I'm so glad I got it done!
Like I said, this was about 20 years ago, so I am sure the procedure is much more sophisticated now.
Good luck and keep us posted! PM if you have any questions.
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Marmann
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Wowzer!!! Thanks very much for your post. I looked up COQ10 and it seems to have many other positive effects, as well. Just added it to my shopping list! Thanks again!!
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Marmann
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P.S. Was trying to reply to JeanneLynn's post regarding Coenzyme Q10... Sorry!!!
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kimbell1
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I have been accepted as a patient to the dental school because one the second evaluation they found I needed the following
1. Five Crowns _Gold is $200 a Best if kept off the board! and procelan is $300. I will go with gold in the back of my mouth for durability.
2. A large cavity in front of the tooth that was abscessed (which is doing ok but I now have a sore to the left of the receded gum and an older dentist looked at the gum and siad it was ok. Don't know what they have plans for the gum at this point)
3. They want to yank either one or both of left side wisdom teeth. Going to save up the pain killers.
4. Guess they will do a scaling on my gums or deep cleaning though they did not mention it but I think that is the first thing they do for new patients.
The estimated total with porcelean crwons which are the most expensive for some reason si $1800.00
If that is truley the total price and less for gold Best if kept off the board and they take care of the gum problem, that is a great price. That is a little more than two procelan crowns at two private dentists that I called.
The drwaback is that they want to wait until the first of the year since it is a teaching program.
The only thing that bothers me (no pun) is the sore or blister if you want to call it) immediately next to the receded gum. I pray that I have not done a lot of damage waiting to have the abcessed tooth worked on but finances just would not permit it at a private endo dentist.
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jrj
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You are lucky to have found the school to help you with the low prices. I have no insurance, small disability payment and so much work needed. It's bad enough without the two crowns that were about 10 to 15 years old that have disinigrated and of course are in the front. It's so hard to try to talk without showing them and never smile.
Well enough of my pity party, I guess I just needed to talk about it.
Thanks for listening.
Judy
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Lilly
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Kimbell,
I must not be very smart since I can not figure out what the word DB is censoring.
I have worked as a Dental Assistant for 20 years and the "sore" concerns me. When a tooth abcesses (dies) the infection, pus and gasses created by the dead soft tissue inside the tooth causes pressure at the root tip resulting in the horrible pain. That infection tries to escape/expand to somewhere and sometimes it is able to make its way through the bone to the outside gum in the form of a pimple or blister. The pimple "pops" allowing the infection to drain, relieving the pressure, making the abcess either not painful or much easier to bear. The infection from the dead tissue has a Ph level that will destroy healthy bone if left untreated. I think your crowns could wait until the first of the year if you are careful not to chew hard foods but an abcess should be treated. Did they want to give you antibiotics to keep the infection under control until you can have root canal treatment? That is better than doing nothing for several months.
You are getting a great deal with the Dental School and those student Dentists must do everything to a standard of perfection you are not assured in private practice.
Best of luck and let me know if I can help.
Lilly
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Daeshay76
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I wished we had something here in Tn that had like a dental school or something of that nature because it is so much cheaper. about 3 years ago i had to take a loan out because i had to get alot of dental work done because of my diabeties and with diabeties it does mess your teeth up...well i got a loan for 7,000 and had every tooth on the right side top and bottom root canaled and crowns put on them...now i am in the need of the whole left side being done...also i was told that i need extensive gum cleaning which they would have to numb me and go up under the gums and clean so now i am looking for a dentists to do this at a reasonable price 9which i am having no luck at) i live in TN and with the medicaid here if you are under 21 they will do any and everything for your teeth and if you are over 21 you have to have a major accident (car or something else like that) in order to get any dental work. my docs have all written to the ins telling them due to my diabeties i will need work done on my teeth because if i get a infection it would harm me and with me being diabetic it is harder for me to get rid of a infection...well the denied it! so now i a SOL and i have called a placed called interfaith clinic which dentists provides so much of their time to people who are below income and need dental work done...so i go to this place and they told me they could not help me because i have medicaid?!?!?!? i was like they will not even cover my dental work since i am over the age of 21 and showed them the denial letter, still they wouldnt help...so i may try this stuff that was stated above Coenzyme Q10 to see if that will help my gums as well and also my gums are very sensitive and bleed like crazy when i brush....any other suggestions about how to get help for dental work that is desperatly needed?? TIA
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kimbell1
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Don't know why its censored.
I did have the root canal on the abcessed tooth. A few days ago is when I noticed the new 'pimple' . Before the root canal, I had these pimples on the gum above the capped tooth needing the root canal.
Now the area above the tooth that has the abscess has receeded and the pimples have simply moved to the left of the gum that receeded. I reallly can't describe this well.
I am not in any pain but I am afraid of a leapfrog effect for want of better words. In other words, the pimples began over the abcessed tooth that was capped. I had that abcessed worked on with a root canal done by the shcool's endo department. Now the gum above the cap (tooth #14 if that helps) has lost about 1/2 of the gum directly above the gum line. A few days ago, I noticed the same type of pimples that I had when I did have gum tissue before I had the root canal and abcess worked on. The new pimple is now to the immediate left of the missing gum area.
IF this is confusing-sorry.
I may have to call the school but I see my medical doctor next wednesday and he might know what is going on.
I am worried that I might need another root canal over the tooth that now has the new pimple. I can see that area receeding and sores moving down the gum line toward the back of my mouth.
I had better stop because I am getting more than a little scared about what should have been a simple root canal and new tooth capping (so I am not censored)has turned into a nightmare.
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Daeshay76
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what the dentist told me about those pimples on the gum is that they are drainage pockets for the infection to come out?? but this is also the dentist that wouldnt give me a antiboitic before the root canal either and i am diabetic
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kimbell1
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I pm Daeshay but I did want to share this information with the posters viewing this thread. That the pimples are drainage. But I had these pimples on the gum that ultimately receeded.
Feel I can't win for losing.
But I did call the Baylor school this morning since I have lost more gum
I have also called a private periodonics dentist. A skin graft runs at least $1000.00 depending on how large an area that they can cover and the skin would come from the roof of my mouth according to the woman I talked to.
I will keep a progress report on this thread if anyone is interested. Let me know if you are.
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