Kracker
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I read all the comments in this thread https://drugbuyers.com/freeboard/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/88975/page/0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1 and was wondering if anyone has or has a friend or a friend of a friend tryed to claim the meds under the personal importation exemption? I ask because before the customs department handeled these and before I became aware of this site I claimed mine and recieved my meds. I know the standard advice is to not draw attention to your purchases but, I ordered non-comtroled meds for pain from "MM" and my doctors would likely support me with a letter stating what I wanted them for. If I was dealing with the FDA again I would again consider trying to obtain what I paid for but with this "new" letter I am very strongly leaning to cutting my loses and letting it slide.
Lastly does "MM" reship or reimburse if a letter is recieved & forwarded to them (please feel free to pm me a response if this should be keep off the boards). Thanks to any and all that take time to reply!
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JeanneLynn
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I'm not sure if they will or not, but they are a great company to deal with. I would definitely say it is worth a try. I thought that customs only seizes controlled meds or drugs that aren't approved in the US. I was just going to order a 3 month supply of their Prevacid (from the same company), I'd hope that it won't get taken by customs. I don't have prescription insurance, so it is much cheaper to order it from MM than buy it here at the pharmacy!
Hopefully someone will be able to give better advice. I'd love to know too!
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Kracker
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Will I got my package today back from customs ...Med boxes were in the pakage EMPTY along with a generic seziure letter & bold green customs tape. Box "MM" used was 2/3rds of what it needed to be for the order size.
I might still consider petitioning them to send if I could be sure the meds were not controlled substances (I know there prescription meds though) in my state. I say this because I belive I could be allowed them with the 90-personal FDA exemption but, they could in turn notify the "locals" of my impending delievery which would really ruin anyones day. This whole protect the public is B.S. for us adult pain patients with no coverage!
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PIGINPAIN
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The current ICE (Formerly U.S. Customs Enforcement) interpretation of the laws and regulations is this:
1) You may import 90 days worth of non-scheduled substances, but only 50 pills of scheduled substances.
2) You must import them in person, or have someone with a valid power of attorney importing them across the border for you and they MUST BE DECLARED AT CROSSING. Mail or UPS doesn't count.
3) Importation of scheduled or controlled substances via shipping or mailing requires a drug importation license issued by DEA and reviewed by FDA.
4) If you order from Canada, Ireland, England, or New Zealand they will over look the above listed rules if you have a U.S. doctor's prescription, and don't order a medication higher than C-IV. Be prepared for a possible seizure notice by having your original prescription ready so you can send a copy of it to them.
These are their operating guidelines, but enforcement of the above is discretionary and spuratic. Much like driving 80 mph in a 65 mph. They don't have the manpower or the luck to catch everyone, even when caught they still have to decided to act. The only danger is that every once in a while they decide to make an example out of someone and file all of the applicable charges (THIS IS RARE). Bottom line is it is like playing the lottery in reverse. There is a tiny chance that you hit the big one and are sent to federal prison or given hefty fines, but 99.999% of us will never hit the lottery!
If you have a valid U.S. prescription for the meds then you should consider calling the officer (usually a paralegal) who sent the letter and talk to them. You will find that many are decent hard-working folks like us and will give you good advice.
Final option; There are many places where uninsured persons can get FREE medication, no strings attached. Your local Catholic charities is a good example, also
http://www.helpingpatients.org
http://www.freemedicineprogram.com/ (this site is awesome)
Good luck
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Onlinenow
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If someone has gotten one the seizure letters, it seems like the first one is a warning but what if a second order gets seized?
Assuming both orders are very tiny (10 day supply of a simple pain killer, not oxcy or hydro).... will you just get another lover letter or will more come of it on the second seizure?
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PIGINPAIN
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Again, it is a game of odds. The odds are that only 1 person, in the scenario you list, out of 999,999 will have any additional action.
The only way that you increase the odds of more action are thing like:
Being on probation/parole
Having a prior conviction for sales/transportation for drugs
Having a significant criminal record (ie multiple misdemeanors or a couple of felonies)
Even with any or all of those things the computer that tracks siezures is limited to use by customs and immigration (ICE). This works in your favor because someone would have to take the time to look through NCIC/CII (the criminal database) AND the ICE database to cross referrence. Now if you start racking up too many siezures, no matter how small, you greatly increase you odds of LE contact.
It is a game of odds, nothing more, for tiny seizures like you mention. I have had two seizures (both for a cold medicine that had a small amount of codiene) and I passed what I will only describe as a SIGNIFICANT federal background check only three years after the last siezure.
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t_oshan2003
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plus they are a bunch of doofases anyway. The love letter is garbage, not to worry!
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PIGINPAIN
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t_oshan2003-Once again you bash a group of people based upon their profession. I have asked before, but did not receive a reply. What profession are you in that is so wonderful that you feel the need to spit on LE again and again? Are you even employed?
There has been enough hate speech from your recent postings to put a Klu Klux Klan rally to shame. Why don't you go to their website and spew forth your hate speech there, or act like a reasonably intelligent adult and stop stereotyping. Your posts are meaningful when you stick to the facts, the rest is truly beneath you and not what this site is supposed to be about.
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Trampy
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If anyone who got seizure notices more than a year after ICE was merged into DHS (say letters dated Jan. 2003 or later) and who then passed a subsequent full-field federal background investigation without getting red-flagged, please let me know by PM. I think that what used to be kept to themselves (Customs) in the database of Treasury enforcement actions is now made available by DHS to any agency requesting it for a national security background investigation ... for TS or higher, that is.
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Kracker
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Thanks to all that took time to reply! I agree that a call to the orginator of most letters in a customs or any LE office with a resonable explaination under the current rules for what I ordered from a "friendly" country would likely get my meds sent. I agree they have discression to release meds the problem is if you get a gun-ho type, there lies the problem & why I most likely & others like me will not persue what should be imo rightfully released too me.
I so want to go forth but reason dictates that I drop it & it pains me to think adult people are forced to make these choises! I do believe this will change & hopefully soon. Till then I will continue to write my leglislators (bad spelling & all) to petition change for all.
My best to all & have a pain-free day is my wish!
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dman22
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Quote:
The only way that you increase the odds of more action are thing like:
Being on probation/parole
Having a prior conviction for sales/transportation for drugs
Having a significant criminal record (ie multiple misdemeanors or a couple of felonies)
Sorry but that's not true at all.
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PIGINPAIN
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"Sorry but that's not all true"
Then PLEASE enlighten us!!! What is true in your area? Because in So Cal I betcha a month's salary that priors like that will increase the odds of enforcement. I busted an idiot for a bottle of Mexican Soma on a traffic stop because he had a federal charge for smuggling 8 months prior and was still on probation... I then turned him into a snitch and he ratted out half his family including his sister just to get out of it. But he was a meth head and I have a special place in my heart for them.
Sorry if I seem rude, but I hate it when people just throw something out there like "your wrong" and then leave. I am man enough to admit when I am wrong, just ask Trampy. So give me your best shot and if I am wrong I will send you flowers...
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dman22
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No problem - I'm not going anywhere ;-)
Sorry to be so blunt but you stated that being on probation, or what have you, increased the likelihood of getting caught ordering meds overseas. It's simply not true. I have spoken to a friend with ICE and they briefly chuckled at such a tracking system. Heck, even my PO doesn't care - as long as I have a US valid script (of which I do). He/She realizes the problems with no health insurance and they do test, for illicits/chronic use, every month anyways so what do they care - you violate, you're gone.
It's simply not feasibile to have an NICS program like they do with say..gun purchases in the US. Your criminal record has absolutely no bearing on whether or not your mail is scrutinized domestically or internationally... UNLESS you are incarcerated (of course) or under surveilance for large-scale trafficing or money-laundering. The DEA/ICE simply don't have the systems nor the resources in place to catch IOP 'jay-walkers'. Your statement is somewhat misleading. BTW, I have several past felonies/misdemeanors and had ordered in the past no problem, only for personal use and very small amounts. My packages had been opened by the FDA and passed right along with everything interact. So, in summary - your statement about having priors is really not the case... at least in regards to IOPs. You have a point though. When I've been stopped, they go through the full shennanigans.. search the car, search me, etc.. No worries since I don't drink alcohol or engage in recreational drug use anymore. You betcha they run my plates and pull my past, however, I'm driving and not at home. Peace
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t_oshan2003
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pingpain, I along with others am entitled to my opinion. What did I post that has you so mad?
If you think I am spitting on LE well you are wrong. I just hope you are not one because I could see you as being one of those crooked cops that are about 90% of the force!
Nothing else you asked is even any of you're business.
If you don't like my posts just ignore them. This is a great place to share info and thats what we are all trying to do!
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t_oshan2003
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right on dman! Remeber again, you don't even need a high school education to be in LE, I know people that are in LE and its pathetic about their background.
Again, just ignore the letter, its a joke, their is no cross tracking or supercomputer to check every piece of mail comming in. Just be carefull with the IOP's and seizers, after a few I would bet the odds increase another order gets seized.
And remember, if any doubt with a LE doofus, just get a good lawyer, nothing like seeing some dolt cop on the stand being cross examened by an attorney and watching how little he knows about the actual law.
Remember, I lot of these guys get off on the power they get being in LE or customs.
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PIGINPAIN
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My post, if you look at it again, says that once a seizure occurs then the only things that increase odds of action (prosecution) would be if you have priors or are on probation/parole. Not that they monitor mail more closely for ex-cons, just that if they make a seizure and run an NCIC check, which they do randomly, your chance of having them act increases.
With regard to your ICE connection, do you honestly think any LE is going to provide accurate information on operational capabilities to a person with a criminal record like you have admitted to? The data within ICE computers is classified and requires a special crypto nic card for laptops just to access it from anywhere except an actual federal office. ICE doesn't even tell local or state LE all of their capabilities, but they'll tell an ex-con? Sorry to be so blunt, but the truth is cops lie to crooks all the time and will continue to do so until there is a law that says we can't.
t_oshan2003- Your personal attacks are so original. I have dealt with people like you my entire career. You talk a mean game until you are in the back of the patrol car and then you punk out. Yes, I am LE. No, I am not one of the crooked ones. If I was, we would have already met in person. Also, thanks for answering my question. The 7/11 clerks of the world are so much more professional than LE, so you were right to feel superior.
Ciao
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t_oshan2003
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OK, I had to edit this since I don't want to get banned for a flame war but I just have to laugh at you're above post.
Its funny, wrong and well, just makes me laugh.
Questin though? Since you think you are LE, do you're fellow LE buddies know you belong to a site called "drugbuyers" ?
Doesn't seam to make sense unless you're "on a big case here" or "working for the company"
Oh well, I still stick with my advice on trashing the customs letter, they are so swamped and overworked that a letter like that won't do anything unless it invloves large amount in which case you shouldn't be doing it. expect a follow up letter though letting you know that you have forfitted the item.
I am from a family of attorneys (me being the only one who isn't) and I have 2 very close friends who are Cops, with actual college degrees and years of training, DEA,SWAT etc.. and they disagree with the ICE story so I would tend to believe them!
Forgot, since you are so intersted in my career, ex military officer, 6 years and actually saw combat! Have you?? if not then you can't relate AT ALL! Now, daytrader of stocks and have my own landscaping business that does very well, I just send out my crews and they do the work, I estimate jobs for clients and am booked full through next spring even, so I dabble in the stock market, daytrading, not a total pro but I do ok with it on the side. Have made money in it and lost, but have made more than I lost so I keep doing it. Since I own a decent house at the beach and a house in a nice town I would say I do ok for a living!
AND now you are dissing 7-11 clerks ?? So whats wrong with someone making an honest living ? How about people who are clerks at stores or pump gas ? Are they any different then you and I ? I say live and let live! Whatever puts food on the table and makes ya happy!
Now lets just get back to real issues!
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dman22
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that once a seizure occurs then the only things that increase odds of action (prosecution) would be if you have priors or are on probation/parole.
This is not true. End of my comments on this. You're entitled to your opinion and I mine.
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do you honestly think any LE is going to provide accurate information on operational capabilities to a person with a criminal record like you have admitted to?
In regards to LE being so high and holy they wouldn't share information, that's just aloof. I've seen police do many-a-things illegal, so I'm not even gonna go down that route. Unfortunately, there are PLENTY of corrupt police officers out there who simply don't care and place money above the safety of others.
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ICE doesn't even tell local or state LE all of their capabilities, but they'll tell an ex-con?
BTW - an 'ex-con' is one who's been 'Convicted', not charged. If they don't share information, why should anyone be concerned then in the first place? Does their role simple end at the border? The info. I received from ICE was actually third-party (my best-friends brother), so they don't know my background at all.
Additionally, I refuse to converse with someone who uses intimidation towards posters. I suppose I shouldn't expect anything less though given the area of the profession.
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Billyl
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Quote: With regard to your ICE connection, do you honestly think any LE is going to provide accurate information on operational capabilities to a person with a criminal record like you have admitted to? The data within ICE computers is classified and requires a special crypto nic card for laptops just to access it from anywhere except an actual federal office.
You are right on the money with access to this database or others like it. To answer your question about the passing of confidential information to an ex-con, it won't happen unless the information is falsified or manipulated to gain the con's confidence so he can continue to be a CI. For the balance of you that means confidential informant or snitch.
PinP I have to agree it is pathetic and laughable once the "Actors" are in custody to watch them cry and beg.
LOL. Take care. Billylll
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t_oshan2003
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agreed dman22! A far as LE sharing info, I wouldn't be suprised, but remember, they are not the sharpest tools in the shed and having LE share info only makes them have to think more and that is tough for most of them so it ends up helping us since they are so confused. With the amount of mistakes they can make all you need is a normal attorney and he would disect any case if they tried to pull that Best if kept off the board on you.
I am not all convinced on the whole ICE thing, just my opinion, but once you get flunkies running this kind of organization, its bound to get disorganized.
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sportshark
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I have this friend of mine who has a friend and she received a seizure notice for 5 of the ambien or is it called stylox from biotran magic it was her first order from biotran and her last. Well my friends, friend assumed that was it, but a couple of days ago recived a notice in the mail box for registered letter from U.S Customs(she has not contacted usps she is not sure what if anything she should do). Is this the love letters you guys speak of? is this how you get them? If so would you please give input if my freinds friend should sign for letter or just forget about it? I'm just trying to get some feedback information for my friends, friend.
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dsmmcm
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I just received my official love letter, also due to a biotran shipment. What happened in my case is that the biotran shipment arrived empty except for a seizure notice. Then, about 2 week later, the official seizure notice arrived, five or six pages long, via registered mail. My wife actually signed for it, not knowing what it was.
It's in my recycle bin. It clearly states that one of your options is to take no action. Then, after a certain amount of time, they destroy the product (ha, ha, only if they don't want it for themselves). I really don't think it matters if you sign for it or not. Just don't reply. Many, many people on this board have been through this, and nobody replies.
Unfortunately, they have managed to intimidate me into not ordering via IOP, except for drop shippers.
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fromabove
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My experience: Ignore it, write it off & go on with your life. Especially if you do not have a script, then it will just cause you more problems than it is worth. Just start all over again!! 
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dsmmcm
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Hey, fromabove,
Nice to get back to medical/drug related issues. In a way, I'm glad that the mods delted the off topics thread. On the other hand, it was fun...
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johnjacobs
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probably belongs on its own post... but I had a MM package caught by FDA....the said they would send back parcel if I didnt reply. I am waiting on the second follow up letter now... if by chance it does come via registered letter, should I go sign for it???? I really need that shipment to be returned back to MM so that i can get another replacement order.
Any suggestions???
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