PIGINPAIN
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Reged: 06/10/04
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t_oshan2003- I had to make a special reply for your post, it warmed my heart so much. My how short term our memory must be these days. 62 police officers rushed up towers one and two along with firefighters on 9/11/01, despite the fact that this was not in their job description. They all lost their lives. Did you miss the video of this? Or maybe you think they were only going up the stairs to rescue the CEO's and other rich people.
You OBVIOUSLY did not follow the LEOKA link I posted above. It gives a detailed summary of how each officer who died in 2002 was killed, with the exception of one officer. Read their stories and tell me which ones your talking about because I don't see them listed there. There is also a LEOKA report for each year going back to 1990. Check the last 14 years of police officers who were murdered while doing their jobs protecting rights like free speech, a right that clowns like you toss around like it was nothing. Men and women die every day so that the Constitution and Bill of Rights are protected.
Check it out and tell me how many of the 1300+ officers who died from 1993-2002, died for the rich. The only thing worse than abusing free speech is ignorantly abusing it. Most departments today, and all federal agencies, require a minimum of an AA, but a bachelors is required to be promoted. Add that to an average of 4 months of specialized training in police academy and 3 months of on the job training. Then add in 40-80 hours of mandatory continuing education classes annually and 2-6 hours monthly for firearms training and legal updates.
What profession are you in that has a standard that makes LE pale in comparision??? In the 12 officer dept I work for four have a BS or BA, two have an MA, and two have AA's. Anyone ever try to pay back college loans on a $30,000 a year salary? Many officers struggled, having to work a second job. The one good thing that Clinton did was to put the Police Corp Program in place which forgives up to $20K of student loans for working in a small department.
"Can't we all just get along?" - Rodney King
Pig
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soulchik
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Reged: 12/20/03
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I couldn't stand by and not say that I honor your profession and appreciate all the hard work you guys do each day and night to keep me safe. I am just a middle-class girl, who used to be poor as a child, and when I needed a police officer to help, it didn't seem to matter to y'all how much money I had. You were there to help and for that I thank you.
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ikestormu11
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Reged: 06/02/04
Posts: 133
Loc: District of Columbia area
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I can't believe what I'm reading. The posts I've read about LE only protecting the rich is flat out ignorant. LE can't choose who they can and can't protect, thats idiotic. I've had negative experiences with LE in the past but I'm not going to blame the entire law enforcement community. If you don't trust cops and think they are all bad, then don't call them when your being robbed, assaulted, raped, etc. It's pretty simple. If you can't avoid LE and are constantly having bad experiences with them, maybe your the one doing something wrong.
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otis
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Reged: 07/21/04
Posts: 28
Loc: Tall Structures / Good LZ
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I thought this thread was about 1stmeds being in trouble?
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Therion
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Reged: 06/14/04
Posts: 147
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Am I the only one who sees the irony of numerous people jumping to the defense of the folks whose job it is to bust you for ordering controlled meds from IOPs and who are diligently working to shut ALL OPs down?
Well, if they ever come knocking at YOUR door, be sure and tell them what a wonderful job they're doing.
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PIGINPAIN
Journeyman
Reged: 06/10/04
Posts: 85
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"Am I the only one who sees the irony of numerous people jumping to the defense of the folks whose job it is to bust you for ordering controlled meds from IOPs and who are diligently working to shut ALL OPs down?
Well, if they ever come knocking at YOUR door, be sure and tell them what a wonderful job they're doing. "
Their job is to enforce the laws that the people allow to exist. The ONLY OP's that get shut down are the ones who have violated laws in their operation(medical fraud, improper records, etc). The OP I used before I went to a local CP doc, no names mentioned, is continuing to prosper and has been untouchable because they require records, a physical exam, a real phone interview with the doc, and they only operate in states that allow such a service.
IF, the allegations against 1stmeds are correct, then they treated patients in a state they weren't allowed to operate in. As to 'busting people who order from IOP's'... Give it a rest! Everybody who has been prosecuted for ordering from an IOP raise their hands. Siezure of meds doesn't count, that is a slap on the wrist compared to what could happen.
Therion- win, lose, or draw this debate is over. Bashing LE is like saying that all Vietnam vets were baby killers,rapists, and murders. Less than one-tenth of one percent of our veterans acted in a dishonorable manner, but the media and anti-war movement lumped them together with the 99.9% who served our country with honor and courage. LE has had the same thing happen to them, but our bashing never ends.
Ciao,
Pig 
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Therion
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Reged: 06/14/04
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Agreed. Debate over. Hopefully it stimulated THINKING at both ends of the spectrum. Along with the middle. And regarding your posts, PIGINPAIN - well spoken. You've given me a lot to think about. Hopefully I returned the favor. 
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voyager
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Reged: 04/17/03
Posts: 415
Loc: United States Virgin Islands
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Frankly.
I am GLAD that 1st meds is in TROUBLE. Those guys are the BIGGEST dirt bags going. They have ripped off more people than I care to know. GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!
GET RID OF NO RECORD OP'S. Nothing good can come from a child ordering large amounts of narcotics, benzo's and diet pills on the internet.
These no record OP's are going to ruin it for EVERYONE!!!!!!!!! 
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prettyday
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Reged: 02/09/03
Posts: 945
Loc: Coastal Sage Scrub
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I hate to say this, but...when any OPs go in number, expect them all to go, unless; you are dealing with one that makes you go to local docs who are miraculously free of fear from their local governing administrations, who then transmits a written RX that you get a copy of, with "not negotiable" stamped across it for you.
Expect to submit fingerprints and tons of ID and...whatever else.
Basically I see the future of OPs being a really expensive, legal-retainer-bound, "scrip' doc, and even then, expect the agencies to keep the OPs hopping from almost retired doc to almost retired doc.
The government does not want us on opioids.
I know this. I don't like it by now, cause I have done the COX-2, SSRI, and Neurontin dance, but I know what I see and read.
Voyager, I want to let you know that I agree 100% with you that kids these days don't need to be able to get anything anywhere easier that could wreck their present and future.
You are quite right.
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First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
- Mahatma Gandhi
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otis
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Reged: 07/21/04
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Loc: Tall Structures / Good LZ
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Here, Here. I never understood the mentality of people contributing to their own demise. Yes please thank them for protecting you from yourself. And when you are sitting in jail giving everything you own to some sleazy attorney, be sure to thank every one of them for doing an outstanding job of separating you from YOUR money. Isn't that the bottom line of all this?
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DonBarba
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Reged: 04/02/04
Posts: 298
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Quote:
Frankly.
I am GLAD that 1st meds is in TROUBLE. Those guys are the BIGGEST dirt bags going. They have ripped off more people than I care to know. GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!
GET RID OF NO RECORD OP'S. Nothing good can come from a child ordering large amounts of narcotics, benzo's and diet pills on the internet.
These no record OP's are going to ruin it for EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!
I thought 1stmeds was a RECORDS OP?
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Lisa1967
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Reged: 10/29/02
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Oh please!! I am SO sick of grown adults being sacrificed for the "protection of the children". If parents dont know what Johnny is doing on the computer,there are plenty of ways to find out,and stop JOHNNY from doing what he is doing!! It's high time parents stopped blaming the internet,and placing the blame squarely where it belongs-ON THE PARENTS AND THE KIDS!!! This country is in a complete panic trying to "rescue" kids from society's "ills",creating laws,and congressional statutes,all in the name of "the children". But who really suffers?? Adults who SHOULD have the right to KNOW what's best for THEM,AND THEIR KIDS!!
Kids can,do and WILL find ways to get high-always have,and always will. Shutting down OP's, creating media "frenzies" about painkillers and the "evils" of them,is NOT going to stop kids from getting high. EVER. I am responsible for keeping my kids safe-ME-NOT the gov't. And when parents pass the buck to the gov't,they are sadly creating an air of not taking responisbility for their own children,and passing it down to the next generation.
Shutting down OP's will NOT protect kids-it will only put a band-aid on the bigger problem-which can ONLY be dealt with on an individual,kid by kid,basis. BY THE PARENTS!!
Lisa
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DonBarba
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Reged: 04/02/04
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I hope you're really replying to voyager and not to me.
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Lisa1967
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Reged: 10/29/02
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Sorry DOn,
No,I was not replying to your post. I was just making a general statement 
Lisa
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t_oshan2003
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Reged: 10/17/03
Posts: 318
Loc: East
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Blame the police, who train for about 6 weeks for this kinda Best if kept off the board!
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DonBarba
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I don't know what the police have to do with this, or kids buying medication over the internet.
Back to the original article; it was a "sting" operation by Attorney General Lisa Madigan. Right? Her office dummied up a medical questionaire to nail a RECORDS OP. Entrapment.
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TLM2
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Reged: 07/16/04
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I hate to say this, but...when any OPs go in number, expect them all to go, unless; you are dealing with one that makes you go to local docs who are miraculously free of fear from their local governing administrations, who then transmits a written RX that you get a copy of, with "not negotiable" stamped across it for you.
Expect to submit fingerprints and tons of ID and...whatever
I agree with you.
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