therhino
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sorry for my ingnorence but what is "sublingual"
also anyone found the 4 and 8 mg's suboxone online?
thanks
therhino
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timberland
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Sublingual is under the tongue. I haven't heard of anyone who can get suboxone online. Just temgesics...
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therhino
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so that means that you take the tems under your tounge?
thanks again.
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therhino
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snakey
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they melt in about 3-4 minutes,not 10-20min like I have heard,sometimes even faster,but you canot swallow the saliva until they are melted.they work great,trying to get them also,hoping to make this my last go around with this,gotta be a healthier way to treat pain,this Best if kept off the board is just to life ruining,starts off great,but oh boy who new,not I..
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vastchoirs
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Well, I have gone Cold Turkey a few times when I was really in a pinch, no PM Dr. and nothing but an OP that I was not using anymore.
I am now on opiates again since my condition for my back tripled in injury. I keep thinking back as to why go through the Wd's like I did only to go back? That's the only thing that bothers me a bit but, I had to go back on meds or my life would be alot worse.
I stopped b4 cause my tolerance was way too high....I mean way too high. The first time I tried I made it through one month. I went through wd;s without knowing it. I was ignorant about meds. I thought" You cannot have a withdrawl or addiction to a pill, Dr's would give it out" Well, I felt like Best if kept off the board for a few days but, I thought it was I got a cold AND the depression of my g/f going away for a week, taking a plane which I am terrorfied of, even though I have been of many tours.
So, the second time I was aware of wd's and I failed after 2 days...too miserable. I wanted to shake my self out of my skin..Constant anxiety, no sleep, cold then hot, not hungry, didn't want to talk to anyone, constant aching legs and arms that would get jumpy, almost spastic at night. Fuzzy vision, dizziness anytime I went to do something. Just pure inner hell. I now know that a heroin addict would quit if they wanted to but, withdrawls sent them back, the drug itself and it's euphoria do no.
So, I tried again and took advice I read. I loaded up on CVS anti-diar. and Tylenol nitetime cold. I would take about 20 anti-diar. and 2 tylenol's every 12 hours. I would make sure to take some sort of laxitive to help. I know, taking that much is crazy but I asked myself time and time again "withdrawls or small withdrawls" the choice was easy.
So, I took what I stated above and I was amazed. Not one withdrawl effect..NO hot then cold, no nonsleepiness, no skin crawling, mind racking muscle aches and spasms, no stunning anxiety...nothing. I ate, I went about my business. I was just not as talkative as normal or active. The laxitive let me go to the bathroom.
I did this for 4-days while after the 5th day started to ween down the Anti-diar. medicine. By day 8 I had the confidence to stop it all and needed nothing. The mental cravings were there, that is very hard to handle, especially when in pain.
But, I tell you the above worked and helped me when I needed it to. I was off the meds for 6 months and anytime...anytime I maybe run out early or something, I resort to the abovee fora couple of days. But now I have proper pain management, I don't need to worry. The day comes I have to come off again, weening I know I cannot do but the above I can and it is a heck of alot better than going through that hellish nitemare.
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hope46
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WHERE IS Yawkaw when ya need him?
quote"Would it be possible to add something to this thread about Suboxone?
It's unfortunate that when most people think about buprenorphine, they think TEMGESIC. A Suboxone or Subutex is 10 or 40 times stronger (2 mg or 8 mg pill vs. .2 mg TEMGESIC). TEMGESIC just isn't strong enough for many people, and there is a reason it is prescribed in much higher doses.
Subutex is buprenorphine. Suboxone is buprenorphine and naloxone (to discourage injection).
Both are available from any doctor on this list http://buprenorphine.samhsa.gov in their 'physician locator'. I have also seen it sold online, but those are just email sources or shady websites, despite some people having success with them.
I just think it would be nice for people to know they can easily be prescribed buprenorphine in much higher doses without having to use an IOP. You do not need to be a chronic pain sufferer to be prescribed Suboxone/Subutex- anyone who is opioid-dependent can get it."
Hope this helps-Hope 
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timberland
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Hope, it's probably the expenses that people are wary about when considering suboxone. We covered the strength issue and the naloxone additive (though you can get subutex, which doesn't have naloxone) and I think people are pretty well caught up with the pharmacology, too. It's just that a bupe doc costs about $150 for the first visit, $80 for a checkup once or twice a month, then $150-$200 for the suboxone itself... It's no wonder people are holding out for some source, any source, that's cheaper. Besides, not everyone can get into a program right now, as there are waiting lists in a lot of areas. Not that that's a reason not to try, but maybe we have tried.
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therhino
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admiting the truth to yourself and having the strength to act on it is one thing, but with so many tunnel vision doctor xpierences who wants to admit to someone that most likely will give you their own version of reality and then hit you up for a 250 visit.
sorry but 2manybad xpierences with docs...
hmo blows........................
plus then it's on your record, you are a addict on record..... Did you ever see teh Sienfield about hte doctors file... they couldn't even see a vet, he had the file also..
 
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hope46
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I know what you mean....I was looking for temgesic for a friend of mine who has a doctor phobia ...and other issues.... The darn things (temgesic) just didn't help him......Maybe if he (or whoever) had only been withdrawing from a lower hydro dose, say 80mg or less a day, they would have worked. For anyone taking more than that....good luck, and let me know if they help.  Hope
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therhino
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hi hope, don't you think that anyone that had made the committment in their mind would do some kind of taper and get it down below 80mg a day before they would use a med like tem. that would be like jumping off a cliff and hoping a umbrella will help, but some people like that tooo i guess... unless it's a run out with no supply or something drastic, I would figure that it would work best to taper down to a realistic level (10-20) then go off totaly for 12-24 hours then start the tems.(from wehat I have read) probally if you could get your daily hydro down enough the placibo effect would also help you along with the tems, if you were realy commited to stop.
sorry about my spelling but spellcheckers are like wearing a tie, i just say no.
thanks for all your support
2c from me
therhino
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hope46
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You would be surprised..... no, you'd be shocked.....the PM's I get....actually, I have NEVER got one from anyone tapering like that....only the long jumpers... Hope
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therhino
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Quote:
I also wanted to say here, since I don't post too often anymore a big ***F**** ***YOU***!!!! to the dirtbags that have been frequenting ERs FAKING (until they are catscanned or IVP die tested) KIDNEY STONES FOR PAIN MEDS!!!
She told me that the "LATEST TREND" amoung "recreational drug users as well as hardened addicts" is to fake Kidney Stone pain and that it has happened so often now that they no longer trust ANY new patients until they can establish the stone.
So again, to the recreational drug user, thanks, thanks for making it difficult for those who truly need medicine to deal with legitimate pain issues. Thanks for being so selfish that you refuse to even consider that there will be people suffering for your stupidity.
I was lucky, I didn't want the meds and would have been peaved if they had given them to me, the next person with a Kidney Stone may not be of the same mindset as I am.
un effing believable. i myself have suffered MANY kidney stones, and come to think of it, have never been given anything BUT toradol until after my IVP. then they have given the demerol, which i HATE cause it makes me sick as heck. but, between the ages of 23 and 28, i had at least 8 major enough to go to the hospital stones... since i had no insurance, they had to be ones i could not get thru at home. anyway, i can't even believe they (they being the junkies of the world) would do this to people like us.
i am now a cp-er with fibro, etc... and even i, with a valid history of stones have never considered faking one. and believe me i could. but i am in utter shock and disgust.
karma. karma karma karma... that will be our satisfaction. here's hoping karma decides to make them suffer REAL stones, without the benifit of the drugs they so desperately seek.
junkies ruin everything for the real pain sufferers in the world, and frankly, i am sick of suffering because some arswhole can't find a good enough fix on the street. i am sick of not being treated adequately cause some jerkoff decided to down his oxy while biting into it, with tons of jameson and a little blow. sick of it to no end.
can you tell i am ticked?
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fred_s
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Does anyone know if 10/325 hydro's work for kidney stones?
Further, with my medical records and recent MRI showing stones, will a records OP pharmacy prescribe 10/325's?
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crc102400
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Sorry, had to edit this, but vast I understand what you're going through. I have gone CT a few times, and now I ma bck on again, but under very contolled situations. I used to be addicted. I was actually arrested and charged with "obtaining a script under fraud". That was 2 1/2 years ago. The problem was I was being undermedicated (although I think it was my tolerance as well). So in order to get enough to work, I acted like an idiot. Well, my w/d's physically were fine (flu like for 2 days), but the mental was HELL............I was taking 4-5 7.5's, 4 times a day. Now at least my doc does give them to me when I ask, but I only ask when I really, really need them, and it is very contolled......thanks to a great doc, a loving family, and my will to take back contolr of my life, I got through it, but D***, it was the hardest thing I ever did.
PS- 3 more post tilll I become a NEWBIE, then we party.....
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snakey
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Yawkaw gave me some advise awhile ago,I think now I will take it,sub.thing is I called 4 places they are all booked till Oct.this is maddening,I so want off this I can taste it,I know I still will have pain,but I wake up in pain all the time from wds,and wds thru the day,I think being sick all the time with mini wds all the time is worse,that to me is constantly being sick,your not winning with what these pain pills are suppose to be for,I am sick of being sick,I think I will deal with the pain,at least that way you are not clock watching,good luck everyone,think about the sub.I finally have,back to my calling. bless you,and all who have pmed me..
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curiousdee
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You were arrested for obtaining meds by fraud? Unbelievable.
How did that happen? What did they do to you. Let me guess. You live in Montgomery, Alabama? lol!
Please forgive I am in the Southeast too and I don't know where you live but it sounds like some good ol' boys with too much time on their hands. Whose to say you are in pain except you? Unless you are unconscious. Sorry, but after I read your post I felt so sorry for you. Don't let them beat you down. I know the feeling. I just went through the kidney stone thing. First time ever. I went to my gyn and she gave me meds for a kidney infection and ordered an IVP.
No pain meds. I called and requested something for bladder or kidney pain. I specifically asked for ditropan and told the nurse it didn't have to be any narcotics. (already had hydro 10 at home) That is the only reason I didn't ask for narcotics. Get this. The nurse calls me back and tells me that my dr said to, "Go back to the ER if I need pain meds."
I would have to GO TO THE ER in or to go back to the ER . I never went to an ER. Not only that, but I have lived here for four years and have NEVER, EVER been to an ER in this state. It made me so angry. I had the IVP which came back inconclusive and I still have blood in my urine, a fever and a lot of pain. But I will not go back to that doctor. Sorry for the rambling but you guys hit a nerve with me.
Thanks and sorry for the long post.
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crc102400
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Curious, I do shre your pain. I went for 3 months, on and off with fever and everyhting else, nausea, vomiting, and my last uroligist said, "well some people just have blood in their urine"....now correct me if I am wrong, BUT ISN'T BLOOD IN YOUR URINE A BAD THING.........BTW, I live in SC, and I will agree my arrest was partially my fault, could've been charged with alot more, but since I was in counseling, and my mother had died (which is what probably caused my episode), they went kind of lienant on me.....trust me, could;ve been alot worse.....
But they still haven't figured out what is causing my pain, and the blood......I guess when I drop dead, a Dr. may actually believe me.....
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curiousdee
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crc102400, glad to hear they were easy on you. These days you never know how anything will turn out. And I am in agreement. Blood in the urine is supposed to be a bad thing. If I get closure I will let you know. And if you get closure with yours, please be kind enough to share your diagnosis. Just remember a doctor gives you their opinion, and you know what they say about opinions........
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kintzer
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I got it from someone who advertised it here on this board. He had a website you could go to and order and pay using paypal. He was then band from the board, but I had already ordered from his website and got it. He then e-mailed me and said he closed his website but he had more and I could just email him directly and order it and still pay with paypal. So I ordered again and he didn't deliver and wouldn't answer my emails. Pay pal investigated and said he was at fault but they couldn't get my money back. So I live and learn. But I must say suboxone worked wonders. He went by the name Ed Horn aka Thomas Manks. Don't use him. Find it somewhere more legit.
kintzer
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ossi69
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Yep, I got taken by the same guy kintzer, probably at the same time. I wonder who gave me his info, lol. 
I ended up making an appt with a local doc that was authorized to use subutex/suboxone for opiate w/d. Tapered off in 2 weeks and havrn't looked back since. That was 7 weeks ago.
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trixxie
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I thought paypal was more responsive when someone was a merchant with them. The scammer must not of been "verified"?
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Helene
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I got "ed Horn's site from one of these threads before it was taken off. Emailed him a couple of times. Guess he was selling suboxone for a while. He answered my emails, but when I failed to send anything to his paypal account (just kept sending him emails full of questions), he quit answering. Glad I never sent him any money. He may even be a member here. Anyway, I have taken many "hydro hollidays" and I have hated every one of them. I finally have myself down to 4 lorcets a day. I break them in half and spread them out over the day. Problem with hydro hollidays is, as I'm sure you all know - ya still have the pain to deal with. I would like to not need hydro for pain. I feel luckey though, that this DOES work. Just too easy to let things get out of control. One day of not being able to pull a door open, or open a package, or lift ANYTHING, and I can talk myself into a pill every couple of hours. Then I'm right back where I started (or ended - can't tell anymore), needing 10+ pills a day to get any effect. Sorry for rambeling but I feel like I'm chasing my tail constantly, and its driving me crazy. Too bad I can't stay home and read a book on those really bad days. Maby I could keep my dosage where it is right now. I don't know what the answer is for me anymore. Yea, I'd like to quit taking the hydro - without the nasty side effects. But what the heck to do about the pain? Yea, some days I could get through without it. But not many.
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tammy390
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I've got a question. A year ago I fell in the shower and broke two ribs, (the worst pain I every felt, I would of rather been in labor with twins). The way I landed also injured my lower back. I will take 15mg of hydro only once a day, sometimes in the morning sometimes in the evening, just to give myself a little relief from the pain. I never take more then 15mg. Can anyone tell me if I will experience any type of withdrawel if I stop taking this drug? I don't want to get dependent on hydro but nothing else works. Thanks.
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cmerts
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Oh my gosh!!! They told you that some people just have blood in their urine????? What the heck is that??? It is not normal and yes I would think it is very bad. Get a second opinion quickly!!
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parg
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it's refferred to as chasing the dragon!
Yes if you take 15mg of hydro daily and ytour talking more then 7 days you will feel withdrawals from it!!!
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Helene
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I agree. If you are taking hydro daily - ammount does not matter - If you are taking it every day, over a period of time, you will experience some kind of withdrawl symptoms.
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PawPrint74
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I'm sorry. I don't know what you mean by CVS anti-diar. Could you please tell me the full name of this because I am very interested. Thank you for your help.
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Daycamp72
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Vast: Which type of AD medicine did you use - the big chewables or the small tablets? You took TWENTY?
I am aware that Immodium AD is an opiate derivative; will that dose help with the pain?
Your W/Ds sound SO much like mine. I'm 'gonna try your way next time.
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karib
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does anyone know a good site for temgesic, i want to try it , i can't stop without some sort of help i have tried. anyone? thanks
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