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kt68
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Reged: 07/21/04
Posts: 40
Loc: NC
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I know I need to stop smoking and have been thinking about if for months. But I need some help!!! It seems that the more I want to quit or the more I think about quitting--- the more I smoke!!! It is a never ending battle. I would be happy if I could just cut way down. I know there are patches and gum and meds to help me stop, but my problem is WHAT DO I DO WITH MY HANDS?????? It is so much of a habit to have one in my hands that when I think of what it would be like to not smoke - I can't imagine it. So any help or advice that you kind people can offer would be greatly appreciated. Please let me know of any tips or tricks that has worked for you or your friends/family.
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treezat
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Reged: 05/22/04
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Loc: southeast US
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hey stranger
well quitting smoking isnt as bad as you might be making it in your mind. we humans have this beautiful ability called imagination, but as with all our abilities, it is a double edged blade, for we can imagine consequences taht do not really exists and make situation far worse in our minds then they really are (we can make a mountain out of a mole hill)
first, you have to spend alot of time rationlizing your decision to quit in your mind. It stinks, its unhealthy, it causes cancer, there is no medicinal benefit,it costs me lots of money, my friends/family/loved ones dont like the smoke and it hurts them physically (mid as well be punching them in gut or slapping them in the face when lighting a cig near them) etc etc etc
you need to go over the negative aspects and truly see and admit how greatly they outweigh the benefits (if any), and you need to do this on a daily basis several times a day if possible, eveyr time you get a craving if you can manage. a craving onl lasts 7-8 seconds, if you can spend that 7-8 seconds to step back and rationalize, you wont smoke.
you are going to need to taper off. cold turkey can work for the iron willed, but for the average man and woman slowly decreasing your tolerance for cigarettes and your body's dependance will result in least amount of negative side effects and greater chance of success
prescriptions medicines for anti smoking often include zyban/wellbutrin which is bupropion, which i believe works by acting as an agonist on your seritonin and dopamine production glands, calling for more production producing an anti depressant effect. it is my personal unfounded belief taht the dopamin glands targeted may affect the same receptor sites taht nicotine does.
also IMO 1 hit of medicinal marijuana (only legal in 11 states in the us, not sure about toer countries) will completely eliminate the crave for cigarettes for a good 4 hours. but then again this is like usin patches gum etc, you are jsut replacing your former nicotine/cigarette doapine agonist with a new replacement, and eventually that will need to be given up or you will depend on that
so if you can dont use anything except your mind and your determination. also i would strongly reccomend checking out http://www.iherb.com/ for some possible supplemnt aids that will help, such as the amino acid l-tyrosine which will increase dopamine production in the brain, which may aid iwth your cravings as you wont need the cigaretts as much if there is more dopamine.
hope this helps. pm me for more. be well
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~~Peace on your journey to wellness. Share all medicine and knowledge thereof~ for what you give is what you get. Be well, may you find peace and relief.
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neonsign2003
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Reged: 12/26/02
Posts: 460
Loc: midwest
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I really need to quit also! I think I would use those nicotine laced inhalers that you puff on like a regular smoke. coffee also, AT LEAST 4 16 oz glasses a day. not good for my gad with panic. NeONsIgn2003
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Therion
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Reged: 06/14/04
Posts: 130
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After trying gum, patches, inhalers, Wellbutrin, hypnosis and cold turkey and failing at all of them, the only thing that finally worked for me was watching my Dad become stricken with COPD, put on oxygen 24/7 and seeing him unable to walk more than five steps without doubling over gasping for breath. He used to be the most active and physical person I've ever seen. Now he can barely get out of bed. Believe me, THAT opened my eyes.
Now, when I think I want a cig I think of my formerly robust, muscular father, who now looks like a skeleton and can't speak two words without gasping for breath for five minutes.
Scared the HELL out of me!!!
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Listvoer
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Reged: 01/14/04
Posts: 384
Loc: New America
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Well, I guess i'm just iron-willed (HA HA HA) because after a 15+ pack-or-more a day of Camels, trying tapering and patches and gum and all the rest, until I stumbled across a miracle-cure that was 100% infallable and now, several years later, i can even 'bum' a social smoke from smoking friends, smoke 1 or 2, and not AT ALL crave or need to buy more. I probably smoke less than a dozen a month, and those are mostly from the old bad habit my friends & I had about smoking a cig after a joint. Anyway, what was my miracle cure? I stopped buying them. I can't smoke what I can't have, and although it wasn't the very easiest thing I have ever done, it wasn't that darned hard. I was a vegetarian for 10 years. Giving up that food was a lot harder than smoking, and that wasn't that hard to begin with. Here's my general suggestions for people who are quitting soon (as Yoda said, there is "'do' and 'not do', there is no 'try'" and IMO if you're still at the "i NEED to quit" stage you're not mentally ready to quit. You have to WANT, not need. Needing is doing what you're supposed to. Wanting means you actually desire that change in behavior. WANT to quit and you will. Ask almost anybody who has been diagnosed with a smoking-related terminal disease and you will see how easy it can be with the right motivtion) is to do a lot of what is mentioned in the posts above, such as mentally focusing on all the negative aspects - the foul taste it leaves in your mouth and on your breath, the cloud of stink that you are constantly surrounded in, the cost-drain on the wallet (more money for grow supplies!) etc, and always try to keep that in your mind how much they suck and how they will probably effect your health in the future. Another "tapering" trick I used was to switch down from Regular smokes to Lights to ultra-lites because even though they say that all cigs are basically the same level of bad, IMO if you pick a very light smoke you at least eliminate a lot of the 'harder hitting' feelings and taste that the full-flavored versons have and you get used to smoking cigs that don't taste or feel nearly as strong. Also teach yourself to smoke but not inhale if possible. I know that sounds impossible (um, mr ex. prez?) but it can be done. Just inhale a small toke into your mouth and blow it out immediately. Some will enter your lungs but nothing like if you took a deep drag and held it in. I easily combined this method with the moving to ultralights and of course trying to smoke as infrequently as possible, not to mention when I really felt like a smoke I would roll up a big fatty of trim/leaves and that would usually help the urge pass. The hardest part, the VERY hardest part is the psychological urge to grab the pack and light one up. Just keep something on hand that you can hold and chew on. Even if you do gain a little weight (I didn't) at least you can diet and lose it. It's a bit harder to replace lungs. Now, I smoke no cigs most days but on some days i'll have up to 5 or 6. On average I have a half-dozen a week or so, which my doctor even told me wasn't that bad for my health when you consider all the pollution etc we deal with outdoors in everyday life. He said don't get carried away, but 1 or 2 a day wouldn't put me in the grave any earlier. I guess it fallls under 'everything in moderation' ...
Just my 2¢ as a once-time hardcore smoker, now a very casual one
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JeanneLynn
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Reged: 05/16/04
Posts: 104
Loc: The Bible Belt
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Masters Marketing sells the Nicorette Inhalator at a reasonable price. You may want to try that as it will actually give you something to do with your hands while you are getting the nicotine dose. The instructions say to puff on it for up to 20 minutes at a time! On one board I visit, alot of people have had good success wtih the Inhalator that couldn't quit with the patch or gum (because of the hand thing!).
Good luck to you! 
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kt68
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Reged: 07/21/04
Posts: 40
Loc: NC
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I haven't posted on this subject in a few days, because I wanted to actually think about what you said. You are absolutely right about the "want and need"!!! So, I will break it down... I NEED to quit all together, but really don't want to. What I WANT to do is cut way back. I know this is crazy... I know smoking can kill, I am not oblivious to the fact. But to be totaly honest... I like having a cigarette every now and then. But it has gotten way out of control. I smoke on average 2 1/2 packs a day (probably closer to 3). I know you're thinking - "she's an idiot" and you are absolutely right!!! That is why I really, really want to cut back. So, here is what I have done since I last posted. I made a descion to stop buying by the carton. I have only bought one pack each time I have gone to the store. If I have an excessive amount - I will smoke an excessive amount - right? I made my descion known to my husband and kids, to have someone to be accountable to! I explained to them that they would have to tell me when I was smoking one right after the other. It is such a habit that sometimes I will light one and already have one lit. I also explained to them that I might, on occasion, get angry with them for calling me on it; but to please do it anyway. I told them not to take it personally, that I loved them all dearly and needed their help; and that in the long run they would be helping me and themselves. So, as not to place all the responsibility on them, which is not fair, I decided to only smoke a cig every 30 minutes. My Choice! Listen guys, to smoke 3 packs a day - you are lighing up constantly - almost chain smoking. My worst enemy is sitting at the pc - so now I leave them in another room - that deters me a great deal - cause I don't want to keep getting up!!! LOL I started all of this on Thursday. Today is Saturday... so far so good. Yes I have cheated, can't lie to you. But since Thursday I have smoked a total of 4 packs. That averages out to a little less than 2 packs a day. I think that is a small success. I WILL continue to cut down. I know this all sounds so crazy -- I should just STOP, but I don't know if I can. I am not the Cold Turkey type and as i said earlier - I just want to cut down. My goal is 1/2 pack a day. My husband also smokes and he has always only smoked about 6 or 7 a day. To me that would be wonderful, based on what I am doing now. So, thanks for all of your help and advice. Any comments would be appreciated. Even if you think I am totally wrong or messed up, sometimes I need to hear that, too. But would appreciate encouragement along with the criticism.
Just as an after thought: I live in the capital of tobacco country - packs cost between $2.00 to $4.00, I smoke the cheaper. So, 3 packs a day averages out to $42.00 a week. that is too much to spend on something that can kill you!!! And I know people in other parts of the country pay way more.
So, thanks for "listening" to my rambling!!!

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TexasT
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Reged: 01/01/04
Posts: 15
Loc: Texas, USA
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I stopped smoking after 30+ years. It took several attempts...Nicotine patch, Commit lozenge but neither worked. I then asked my Dr. for wellbutrin (sp) which is generic Zyban and started to taper back the number I smoked per day for the 1st week I was taking the pills. (I took one a day until the start of week 2 and then it was two a day.) When I started to taper back on cigs I went from a pack to 10 for a couple days,then 7 for a couple of days and finally down to 3 for a couple of days. I then quit all together. Believe me those 2 days where I could have 3 cigs was harder than not having any for some reason. I didn't use any nicotine replacement during that time because I didn't want to prolong any withdrawal I might have ( thats why I tapered down ). I went through a couple of days where my husband continued to smoke in the house and I was pretty b!tchy untill he started to smoke outside. I then got new carpet because I couldn't stand the smell in my house when my senses returned to normal. Smell especially is now really sensitive. Hubby still smokes in the garage and I have now been smoke free for a month. I cleaned my house from top to bottom the first few days I quit just so I could keep busy ( and also get the smell out)
Please hang in there and keep trying. If you really want to quit you will find a way and you will feel so much better afterwards. Don't give up if you fail a couple of times which is normal-just keep trying!
Good Luck!
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neonsign2003
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Reged: 12/26/02
Posts: 460
Loc: midwest
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I also am addicted to the drug nicotine. My doctor prescribed wellbutrin also. Because I felt I was not yet motivated enough to quit, I have yet to make the attempt.
I know myself pretty good, If I try and I fail,I won't have the Backbone to attempt it again for a long time. I think my Doctor also said "Depacote"?? was usefull for control of the "Urge" I know I gotta quit....someday
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doglover82
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Reged: 11/20/02
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Loc: Idaho, US
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I smoked for 20 years. I started at a very young age. I enjoyed smoking so much. I didn't think I could ever quit. The problem with cutting back and not quitting is eventually you will be right back to the 2 to 3 packs a day. If you really love smoking I can almost guarantee you will not be able to control yourself for very long. I know cause I tried it. I did fine for awhile but eventually I ended up right back to the 2 packs a day.
I had to finally get really mad before I could quit. It was impossible for me to taper. I just decided one day I would try not to have one that day only. And that is how it played out. Never promised anyone I would quit for good. Just took it one day at a time. I didn't even throw them away for a very long time. I still miss them every now and then. I am different than many as I really loved smoking. So for me it was difficult but I did it and to this day I am amazed at that.
Good luck.
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Beau2771
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Reged: 05/29/04
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Try:
www.quitnet.com
It's an online support community for quitting smoking. And many resources are available to help you determine which NRTs (nicotine replacement therapies) might be best for you. Certain states sponsor the site for added access for their residents.
Honestly, I never though I could quit. And I'm about two months quit as of today. And yeah, quitting is so definitely worth it.
Best,
Beau
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Listvoer
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Reged: 01/14/04
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Loc: New America
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Quote:
I smoked for 20 years. I started at a very young age. I enjoyed smoking so much. I didn't think I could ever quit. The problem with cutting back and not quitting is eventually you will be right back to the 2 to 3 packs a day. If you really love smoking I can almost guarantee you will not be able to control yourself for very long. I know cause I tried it. I did fine for awhile but eventually I ended up right back to the 2 packs a day.
I had to finally get really mad before I could quit. It was impossible for me to taper. I just decided one day I would try not to have one that day only. And that is how it played out. Never promised anyone I would quit for good. Just took it one day at a time. I didn't even throw them away for a very long time. I still miss them every now and then. I am different than many as I really loved smoking. So for me it was difficult but I did it and to this day I am amazed at that.
Good luck.
doglover
You nailed 100% to the wall with that post. I don't want to sound condescending or know-it-all, but the hard truth is that when you truly, honestly, seriously, deep in your heart & gut want to quit, you will quit with some irritation but nothing deadly that you can't handle. It could be a lot worse. It's not like you're giving up your liver or a leg or something, it's just a tobacco product and (as I looked at it in my situation) it controlled me, not me controlling it, and that was intolerable. If I couldn't quit smoking something as trivial as cigarettes then what kind of man was I? People survive cancer and worse, yet I can't get over that after-dinner smoke. How pathetic (my personal thoughts about myself at that time). I am in my mid-30s and, like most of my friends, started smoking during highschool/college. We all started out socially (this beer just tastes better with a smoke, and darn it but this smoke just tastes better with this beer! ) and eventually we hit our peaks - mine was at about a pack or 1 1/2 a day which was average for most of my friends, although 1 or 2 or them did get up to 2 or 3 packs a day. 15+ years later I have quit smoking except for the occasional butt I bum from friends who still smoke, but now I barely smoke it and when I'm finished I don't want another one and I do notice how bad it tasted, how "head-rush" like it made me feel (which I DON'T like at all), how it made my breath and clothes reek of stink, and all the other bad stuff I dealt with when I was a "full time" smoker. I refuse to let them control me anymore, and I can say that I have been a rarely-social smoker for longer than I remember exactly, but it's been at least 2 or 3 years. But to reiterate, you have to MAKE YOURSELF want to quit, to be disgusted with yourself for always "trying" to quit and not sucedding (usually just trading one habit - cig - for another - a patch/gum/pipe tobacco/chewing/dipping/whatever). To truly quit you need to be able to honestly swear in your deapest most secret heart of hearts that you WANT to quit -- remember, you DO want to quit, that's the purpose of this exercise, so don't fight yourself anymore than necessary. What side of the game are you on, your own team, or tobacco's team! It can be done, just get sick of it. It's not that difficult when you only focus on the negatives....
and as an added incentive, if you are a benzo patient (xanax/valium/ativan/klonipin/etc) tobacco smoking reduces the power of the med so quitting may make your med more effective AND save you more money.
HTH.
L - I really loved smoking too, but there comes a time when all "good" things must come to an end.
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