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PanicAttacks
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Klonopin (clonazepam)?
      #181446 - 08/19/04 09:49 PM

It's not as popular as Xanax, but it's a better alternative. Slower/longer release, doesn't make you feel a "high" or "out of it" like xanax does.

I seem to have a hard time finding it lately. Anybody know where to get it at a resonable price?

Thanks in advance.


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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: PanicAttacks]
      #181470 - 08/19/04 11:02 PM

Quote:

It's not as popular as Xanax, but it's a better alternative. Slower/longer release, doesn't make you feel a "high" or "out of it" like xanax does.

I seem to have a hard time finding it lately. Anybody know where to get it at a resonable price?

Thanks in advance.




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Farmakos
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Farmacias Argentinas

Lots of places offer it for between $0.50-$1 per 2mg pill.

But really, you don't get a buzz off of this? I can't take it because it makes me feel GOOOOOD. My old roommate used to take it and do the deed with his girlfriend. Xanax I don't even feel, I'm just not as anxious.


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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: PanicAttacks]
      #181508 - 08/20/04 02:49 AM

I know you haven't been around for a while, but do a simple search throughout the DB databast and you will turn up many good leads.

I have used Healthylifemeds for some time. They are not the cheapest, but they ship from with in the US.


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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: diggsbakes]
      #181521 - 08/20/04 07:17 AM

TRY NWW. THAT IS WHERE I GO. I AM GOING TO SEE IF I CAN GET THE TEVA BRAND. I HAVE USED THAT BRAND FOR OVER A DECADE.

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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: PanicAttacks]
      #181553 - 08/20/04 10:42 AM

Here is one. This is a us no records op. http://beachrx.com/index.php?product_id=104&language_id=1

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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: oldandwise]
      #181663 - 08/20/04 05:58 PM

I've used both Healthylifeneds and BeachRX.

Helthylifemeds took 2 months and 2 tries to ship to me and it never arrived, so they gave my money back.

BeachRX cancelled the order on me and never gave my money back.

Lot's of fun


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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: PanicAttacks]
      #181694 - 08/20/04 08:27 PM

I have used buyfirstclassdrugs for my klonopin. You have several options and price ranges to chose from. I order, and am confirmed within 3 days. Arrival date is is usually 2 weeks from then. I have had no problems whatsoever. However, I am switching to Valium, and am a waiting an order, so things may change. Good luck.

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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: blissmiss]
      #181715 - 08/20/04 09:33 PM

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I have used buyfirstclassdrugs for my klonopin. You have several options and price ranges to chose from. I order, and am confirmed within 3 days. Arrival date is is usually 2 weeks from then. I have had no problems whatsoever. However, I am switching to Valium, and am a waiting an order, so things may change. Good luck.




I'm thinking about switching to Valium. I'm glad to finally be rid of the Xanax problem I had. I can thank a wreckless doctor for that problem. I tapered down to a small amount of Xanax (thanks to the great information and info from a few members of this board on how to taper off Xanax). I'm now on Klonopin (generic) and I feel so MUCH MUCH better than I did on Xanax. I don't crave Klonopin like I did Xanax, It lasts longer, it dosn't give me a "high", and when I don't take it or if I skip a day, I don't get the "shakes" that I got when I didn't have my Xanax fix.

I've been told that Valuim is an even better alternative (even longer lasting, no craving). Is this why you're switching to it? Also, I noticed that they come in 5mg and 10mg. Can you break them up into smaller doses? I plan to be rid of taking anxiety medication all together... I'm just very fearful of the withdrawal process from a Benzo and I want to taper off slow.

Any information is great information!

Thanks in advance.



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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: PanicAttacks]
      #181716 - 08/20/04 09:38 PM

Stay with Klonopin. I did more than a decade of Valium, Knonopin doesn't have the craving like Diazepam(valium), and my wife agrees as we both have gone throught the diffent types of Benzo's

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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: CARLITOS_WAY]
      #181723 - 08/20/04 10:04 PM

Quote:

Stay with Klonopin. I did more than a decade of Valium, Knonopin doesn't have the craving like Diazepam(valium), and my wife agrees as we both have gone throught the diffent types of Benzo's




Thanks for the info. I think I will stay with Klonopin. I'm pretty happy that I can take this medication and still be productive during the day (not buzzed and useless).

Thanks for the info!

I guess the old saying "If it aint broke, don't fix it" comes into play here.

Thanks again


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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: PanicAttacks]
      #181955 - 08/22/04 03:43 AM

Quote:

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Stay with Klonopin. I did more than a decade of Valium, Knonopin doesn't have the craving like Diazepam(valium), and my wife agrees as we both have gone throught the diffent types of Benzo's


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Thanks for the info. I think I will stay with Klonopin. I'm pretty happy that I can take this medication and still be productive during the day (not buzzed and useless).

Thanks for the info!

I guess the old saying "If it aint broke, don't fix it" comes into play here.

Thanks again










I'm not going to get too far into this discussion, but Xanax has a half life of about 12 hours (this and the rest of time limits are relative, not scientific).

Valium has a half life of about 12-30 hours.

Clonopin has a half life of about 16-36 hours.




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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: diggsbakes]
      #182004 - 08/22/04 01:25 PM

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I'm not going to get too far into this discussion, but Xanax has a half life of about 12 hours (this and the rest of time limits are relative, not scientific).

Valium has a half life of about 12-30 hours.

Clonopin has a half life of about 16-36 hours.

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The scientific data say:

Xanax: 8-15 hours
Valium: 20-70; major metabolite 36-96
Klonopin: 30-60


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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: timberland]
      #182084 - 08/22/04 08:15 PM

Those numbers all seem about right (close to what I quoted off the top of my head) except the half life of Valium being up to 70 HOURS. That is far greater than I have read ANYWHERE.

Where did you come up with those numbers for Valium?


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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: diggsbakes]
      #182093 - 08/22/04 08:51 PM

Good Article:

The Ashton Manual · Professor Ashton's Main Page

Diazepam [Valium] is one of the most slowly eliminated benzodiazepines. It has a half-life of up to 200 hours, which means that the blood level for each dose falls by only one half in about 8.3 days. The only other benzodiazepines with similar half lives are chlordiazepoxide [Librium], flunitrazepam [Rohypnol] and flurazepam [Dalmane] all of which are converted to a diazepam metabolite in the body. The slow elimination of diazepam allows a smooth, gradual fall in blood level, allowing your body to adjust slowly to a decreasing concentration of the benzodiazepine. With more rapidly eliminated benzodiazepine e.g. lorazepam, (Ativan) (which has a half-life of 10-20 hours) the blood concentration drops rapidly and withdrawal symptoms can occur between doses, because your body has little time to adjust to low concentrations.

Diazepam comes in the smallest dosage levels of all benzodiazepines – 2mg tablets which can be halved to give 1mg doses. This means you can reduce in stages of 1mg every 1-4 weeks or more. It is difficult to obtain such low doses of other benzodiazepines. For example the lowest dose of lorazepam in the UK is 1mg, equivalent to 10mg of diazepam. (In the US 0.5mg lorazepam are available, but these are equivalent to 5mg diazepam).

Many other benzodiazepines are more potent than diazepam. For example lorazepam (Ativan) is 10 times stronger and it is difficult to reduce from this gradually. Temazepam [Restoril], though less potent than diazepam, has a shorter half-life and the smallest tablet is 10 mg (equivalent to 5mg diazepam).

Because of the slow elimination and small available dosage strengths of diazepam, it is often advisable to switch to diazepam when withdrawing from other stronger or more rapidly eliminated benzodiazepines. This switch allows you to tail off your benzodiazepine dosage smoothly and gradually and minimises withdrawal symptoms.

When making the switch it is important to do it gradually, replacing one dose at a time and at approximately weekly intervals and making allowance for the difference in potency. For example, if you are taking lorazepam 1mg three times daily, first change the night dose to 10mg diazepam. (This can be done in two stages if necessary e.g. lorazepam 0.5mg (half a 1mg tablet) plus diazepam 5mg; then drop the lorazepam and go on to diazepam 10mg). A week or two later change one of the day-time doses, and two weeks later change the other day-time dose.

Suggested schedules and information on relative potencies and elimination half-life are available in the Manual: "Benzodiazepines: How they work and how to withdraw".


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ALL BENZODIAZEPINES ARE NON-SELECTIVE

Professor C Heather Ashton, DM, FRCP
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It is often suggested that the chemical makeup of diazepam [Valium] does not address many of the receptor sites the newer medications (eg alprazolam [Xanax], clonazepam [Klonopin]) have an effect on.

All the benzodiazepines are non-selective and act on all types of GABA/benzodiazepine receptors. Valium acts on exactly the same receptors as Klonopin etc.

The GABA-A receptor subtype alpha2 is responsible for anti-anxiety effects and amnesia, GABA-A alpha1 subtype for sedation, and both alpha1 and alpha2 as well as alpha5 subtypes for the anticonvulsant effects. All the benzodiazepines act on all of these. Zopiclone and zolpidem are meant to be more selective, acting mainly on alpha1 subtype, though this is only relative.

Therefore there is no reason for not substituting Valium in Klonopin, Xanax and Ativan withdrawal. I have done it successfully in many patients. The only reasons for people getting "a type of withdrawal" while still on medication are if the correct equivalent dose has not been given, or if the substitution has been carried out abruptly instead of stepwise.

Klonopin, Ativan and Xanax are all much more potent than Valium (equivalents given in Manual). Xanax and Ativan are relatively rapidly eliminated. Klonopin has a half life of 18 to 50 hours compared to Valium's 200 hours, so Klonopin cannot be called long-acting. The suggestion that "Klonopin is the only long-acting benzo that is able to cover Klonopin receptors" is nonsense. There are no such things as just Klonopin receptors, as explained above.

"The classical benzodiazepines act indiscriminately on all diazepam-sensitive GABA-A receptors", according to Rudolph, Crestani & Möhler in an article entitled "GABA receptor subtypes: dissecting their pharmacological functions", Trends in Pharmacological Sciences, 22: 188-193, 2001. References 28-32 in this article support this point. Hans Möhler is a highly respected biochemist who first described the benzodiazepine receptor.

The main reason that benzodiazepines have somewhat different structures is not so much that they act on different receptors (they don't) but so that the drug companies can call them different drugs. They remain chemically benzodiazepines (a chemical name). Although they may differ in binding affinity for the receptors, potency, elimination time, etc., they all act on all subclasses of benzodiazepine receptors.


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Further Note on Klonopin vs Valium: April 15, 2002. It is well known that Klonopin is a good anticonvulsant. In fact its only indication for use in the UK is for epilepsy. The fact that it has a higher affinity for GABA-A receptor sites than diazepam simply means that it is more potent, but potency is mainly a matter of equivalent dosages. Binding of clonazepam to receptors that do not bind to other benzodiazepines and action on sodium channel conductors are relevant to anticonvulsant effects, not tranquillising effects. The fact that clonazepam has sedative and anxiolytic actions and typical adverse effects of benzodiazepines including ataxia, irritability, depression and tolerance shows that there is little overall difference.

Since clonazepam has a relatively short half life, from 18 to 50 hours, I don't think it would be any easier to come off it using 1/64th mg capsules. I think you still need a long-acting benzodiazepine such as diazepam. I would also reiterate that I have known people make the clonazepam to diazepam substitution and final withdrawal without difficulty.

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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: diggsbakes]
      #182097 - 08/22/04 08:56 PM Attachment (0 downloads)

I don't have the facts to quote, but i've *lived* thru a valium w/d and it is no exageration to say that the BAD w/d's lasted almost exactly 13 days. I had been taking between 20-40mg per day, worked up to there over many years, and then I slowly and sucessfully tapered down to 5mg per day, taken at bedtime. I stayed at that level for a couple weeks and then thought it would be well enough to quit, as I was out anyway and didn't have the $ for a US OP nor the time for an IOP. It was AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL. It started off slowly enough, but like chinese water torture, it got more and more annoying and the different symptoms kept increasing as the days passed, with it reaching a peak at about day 6 or 7 and it took a full 2 weeks before it went away. And away, it went. It was so strange, but on that 13th night of no meds I finally fell into a deep, deep sleep (a first, at that point!) and woke up completely covered in sweat. But I felt better! I was suddenly hungry and I felt alive for the first time in a while. From that moment on, things started improving pretty quickly and by about day 20 I was about ready to try to face reality again.

Anyway, I have seen benzo half-life charts that cover the spectrum so I wouldn't bank too much on their accuracy. I think it has at least as much to do with individual body chemistry as it does the elimination rates of the metabolites.

L - below is an elimination chart for diazepam that I found on the Roche site



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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: emtp3]
      #182110 - 08/22/04 09:26 PM

Fascinating, and one of the most informative posts I have read here, since my original post about switching from Klonopin to Valium. Both this, and the proceeding. Thank you for your time and obvious expertise.

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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: PanicAttacks]
      #182428 - 08/24/04 09:53 AM

Quote:

I've used both Healthylifeneds and BeachRX.

Helthylifemeds took 2 months and 2 tries to ship to me and it never arrived, so they gave my money back.

BeachRX cancelled the order on me and never gave my money back.

Lot's of fun




If you used a cc. You did a chargeback and received your money back right. Now that this one is back in operation they have the best price.. http://www.rxbetterdeals.com/category.asp?CATID=9100&buyerid=839-371167-3496908

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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: oldandwise]
      #183114 - 08/26/04 04:49 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I've used both Healthylifeneds and BeachRX.

Helthylifemeds took 2 months and 2 tries to ship to me and it never arrived, so they gave my money back.

BeachRX cancelled the order on me and never gave my money back.

Lot's of fun




If you used a cc. You did a chargeback and received your money back right.




Actually, they gave the money back... then took it out again, So I didn't catch it until I got my statement about a month later. It took a minute for it to sink in what happened. After that, it was kind of too late.

Lesson learned


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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: PanicAttacks]
      #183117 - 08/26/04 04:59 PM

It is not to late! Whoever told you that is lying. If your
cc company told you that, they are also lying to you.Just tell the company ( if it was the cc company ) that if they do not credit you back, you will drop them.Then tell them you are reporting them to the BBB. you will get you money back! No way is what you describe legal!


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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: neonsign2003]
      #183142 - 08/26/04 06:32 PM

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It is not to late! Whoever told you that is lying. If your
cc company told you that, they are also lying to you.Just tell the company ( if it was the cc company ) that if they do not credit you back, you will drop them.Then tell them you are reporting them to the BBB. you will get you money back! No way is what you describe legal!




The card I used is my bank/debt CC. So I would have to go through my bank to get it sorted. My expieriance with them lately hasn't exactly been the greatest (they arent the easiest people in the world to deal with). I don't exactly want to open myself up to an online medication inquiry with these people. I just have a feeling a lot of eyebrows will get raised.

Besides, at this point it's been months and months. The money has long been forgoten (on my part).

I figure I'll allow myself atleast one mistake with this online ordering. If anything, I'm much wiser because of it.

Never again.

But, I do thank you very much for taking the time out to respond to my situation. It's a good feeling to know that somebody took time out of their day to try and help a stranger. Your efforts did not go unappreciated!


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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: PanicAttacks]
      #183162 - 08/26/04 07:47 PM

I'd give it a shot (chargeback on the card, that is). I've had to do it once or twice in the past and they don't care in the slightest what you were buying, they just need to know that you tried to purchase something and didn't receive the goods. I didn't have to go to the bank, I just called the phone # on the back of the card and reported credit fraud. They jumped to attention at the thought that a customer had been defrauded. They have no business asking you whether you have a prescription or anything like that nor do they care. Basically you tell them that you ordered something online, got charged for it, then refunded, then recharged, yet X amount of time has passed and you still have received nothing. They'll work with you, they want you as a customer. They'll probably give you a generic form to fill out and in a few days/weeks you will be re-credited the money you are owed. Don't give in, it's too easy to get that money back and give the folks who ripped you off a little grief in the process, and the more we let these scammers get away with it the more they'll keep trying.

good luck either way...

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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: Listvoer]
      #185223 - 09/06/04 09:35 PM

Hi everyone,

Just wondering if anyone can PM me with some IOPs they're doing well with. Even better, if it's Western Union because it's easier to get scammed than if you can use chargeback (can you do chargebacks with IOPs?)

I've been doing tons of research on here, and I've made orders, posted my results. I've only had two successful deliveries from two different IOPs, one of which doesn't seem to be in business anymore. I've ordered again from the one where I received, but I don't want to put all my eggs in one basket. There have been several bad experiences, and some where I'm playing the waiting game and hoping for the best.

So I'm ordering around, hoping that if I make several orders at a few different ones, some will come through, others won't and I won't be left short.

From what I've researched, popular IOPs for benzos include Farmakos, Interpharm (seized twice), Todo Farmacia, Starlite, Healthylifemeds, Onlinesolution4u, Pharm88, indianmeds4u, and Farmacis Argentinas.

I'm attempting orders with some of these places right now, but before I keep placing orders, are there any suggestions or words or wisdom or warning that anyone out there can give me who order their benzos from IOPs?
Things change so fast in OP land, and I don't want to be sinking my money into a place that isn't pulling through for everyone.

If we can share our experiences, and PM each other details that a lot of people don't want to see on the board, I'm sure we can do a lot better than going it alone.

Any PMs or postings I'd appreciate so much. I'm happy to share what I've learned on here with anyone who finds themselves in the same benzo boat. Thanks guys.


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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: sunflower29]
      #185258 - 09/07/04 04:58 AM

Go with starlite

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Re: Klonopin (clonazepam)? [Re: kent]
      #185291 - 09/07/04 12:58 PM

IOPs are, generally, rediculously easy to use. Personally I detest having to use Western Union & don't use ops that only accept them, as I prefer to just use VISA and if there's a problem I can just dispute the charges. I'm sorry you've had such bad luck just as you're starting, because I can honestly say that in a decade or more of ordering through IOPs, I have had no more than 2 med seizures and 2 go out of business after i'd paid with VISA but before they shipped. So I contacted VISA, told them I paid for a product that wasn't delivered, and after filling out a very short and generalized dispute-form, I had my money recredited (for the not-shipped meds, not the seized ones. Those I faxed the customs letter to the IOP and they successfully reshipped so no problemo). Fear not using IOPs, just do a lot of reading on this board, other pharmacy boards , usenet, and friends. with that kind of help/support it's pretty hard to mess up.

Good luck!

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