angelique
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I have made 3 orders from no prescriptions sites. The first 2 times I went to the hub and retrieved my package. This last time I let the ups guy come to my house. Now I have a really paranoid ex-"bad guy" for a next door neighbor, and he said that he knew someone that ordered meds and instead of a real ups guy is was actually dea in disguise! But I told him that i wasn't doing anything illegal, it's not a foreign pharmacy, and it's my real name on everything. Am I correct? Should I be paranoid? I am not hiding anything, I don't sell anything, I just don't have any insurance untill Jan. Please let me know..Or where i should go to get the information.
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emtp3
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In theory yes it could be illegal, but for personal use I would bet my paycheck the DEA are not going to be knocking on your door,unless it's one of those "Media Hype Drugs" that everyone is talking about if you know what I mean.
Just do your thing and don't worry, his friend is either imaginary, or was getting alot for resale.
This is only my opinion, you should get more.
Goodluck.
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fromabove
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Your fine! Do not worry about it one little bit. Sounds to me like your next door neighbor is trying to freak you out, Just try to keep him out of your business thats all. THERE IS NO WAY that the dea would mess with a person ordering meds for their own personal usage. Everything is cool!! smile & sleep at ease tonite!! 
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angelique
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Thank you for the feed back. I am too old now to live my life being paranoid. So I always try to be honest, and i have blind faith in the old adage "Honesty is the best policy". I know it doesn't always work out, but it's easier than being paranoid all the time.
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timberland
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Seriously! They can't do bupkiss with you; you don't know how the companies work from the inside and can't finger the ringleaders. You aren't getting enough to distribute, either. I'm sorry that you have anxiety; I hope you can chill and enjoy yourself, and have fun anticipating your package!
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fromabove
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Honesty is the best policy, Youv'e got nothing to worry about! 
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ikestormu11
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The DEA is NOT going to don a disguise and bust you for ordering pharms. from an op. Positively no way. Lets say you were having something illegal shipped to your house, the DEA still wouldn't dress up and pop you. They take their time building cases. They'd watch you and methodically build a case, sometimes over years. Anyway's the Feds would shut down the OP your ordering from if anything. The fact is you've done nothing illegal. Drug Buyers has a link deicated to explaining how to purchase meds online, legally. Check it out.
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Tred
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I'm not trying to be the party pooper, but if you are ordering from a no-records op, then you do always run the risk of having some sort of legal action taken upon you.
Now this 99% of the time, hasn't seem to have happened to many people, but you can't say this is legal when it can be taken both ways. If you do have medical records or a recent doctor visit or medical problem, then that paper trail will always help you if legal problems arise. Best policy is to not double or more order the same meds from any pharmacy and try to stay by the book as much as possible.
I'll go along with everyone else and say your probably just fine, but if your next door friend decides to take matters in his own hands and notifies someone, then well .... see the above statement.
Tred =)
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whiterabbit50
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My guess is that unless you are ordering massive amounts of drugs, you have little worry.
It seems that the ones who run into trouble are the ones who are ordering 1000's of steroid doses, 500+ xanex etc. I really doubt that the DEA would invest the manpower and time to bust a person with legitimate medical needs or even a casual user.
IMHO
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patient2all
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Listen to all the above advice and don't give the "bad guy" next store a second thought. You are a consumer who purchased an advertised product with no inkling of whether the seller is operating the business to the letter of all applicable laws. For that matter, law enforcement itself hasn't mangaged to clarify the legalities of the so-called "grey area" of Internet Medicine, so no more is expected of you.
If the DEA wanted to make a bust, they wouldn't come to your house, they would go to the loading dock of the hotdeals places as they pack 30,000 orders of medication into the UPS truck each day. Some truly huge number of Americans (which I won't quote since I don't have the figure handy) have purchased medicine over the internet.
Like the other posters on this thread, I'm a real smart guy, so listen to us 
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PIGINPAIN
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The DEA is NOT going to don a disguise and bust you for ordering pharms. from an op. Positively no way. Lets say you were having something illegal shipped to your house, the DEA still wouldn't dress up and pop you. They take their time building cases. They'd watch you and methodically build a case, sometimes over years. Anyway's the Feds would shut down the OP your ordering from if anything. The fact is you've done nothing illegal. Drug Buyers has a link deicated to explaining how to purchase meds online, legally. Check it out.
I agree the DEA is probably not posing as the UPS guy on this case, but you are wrong about the DEA playing dress up. They have used USPS, FEDEX, UPS, power company, phone repair, cable repair, and even pizza delivery uniforms to make a bust. It gets them to the door without arousing attention from within. It also depends on what was being shipped and how much. 100 oxy's no way, 500 oxy's maybe, 1000+ absolutely. I have seen them use UPS and Fedex uniforms for one pound Marijuana deliveries. It's called a controlled delivery of an intercepted shipment. Happens all the time. It is amazing how many idiots will try to ship a kilo of cocaine or pot via UPS or Mail.
Regular OP meds in regular amounts, not a chance.
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Trampy
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I agree the DEA is probably not posing as the UPS guy on this case, but you are wrong about the DEA playing dress up. They have used USPS, FEDEX, UPS, power company, phone repair, cable repair, and even pizza delivery uniforms to make a bust. It gets them to the door without arousing attention from within. It also depends on what was being shipped and how much. 100 oxy's no way, 500 oxy's maybe, 1000+ absolutely. I have seen them use UPS and Fedex uniforms for one pound Marijuana deliveries. It's called a controlled delivery of an intercepted shipment. Happens all the time. It is amazing how many idiots will try to ship a kilo of cocaine or pot via UPS or Mail.
Regular OP meds in regular amounts, not a chance.
Not unless the recipient is a cop. They did a controlled delivery of 100 tabs of Rohypnol to a Sheriff's Deputy in Littleton, CO using a Postal Inspector dressed as a mail carrier. It was from famadrug in 1999 or 2000 and many people here were ordering that drug and apparently nobody else but that LEO got it in a controlled delivery. When Customs called the Denver Metro Drug Task Force to say they had some goodies, the locals recognized that the recipient was a cop and that's what made them do the big charade for only 100 pills. Of course, even though it's just a C-IV, the federal prison term for possession of "any amount" is three years. They found Thai Valiums in the search of his house. I think he lost his job and career but did not get any prison time ... please correct me if that's wrong. He said that he had PTSD (mostly anxiety and insomnia) from being one of the first responders at the Columbine High School Massacre.
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prettyday
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Thank you!
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PIGINPAIN
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As previously stated, if a drug is illegal to possess or prescribe, such as cocaine or Rohypnol, than they will do controlled deliveries of smaller amounts (i.e. a couple of grams), depending upon staffing levels and case loads. Rohypnol was rescheduled from a C-IV to a C-I in June of 1996. This puts it in the same category as herion, methamphetamine, and cocaine.
From 1997 to 2001 Rohypnol was on the DEA's "most wanted" list of drugs. Meaning two things; agents were encouraged to investigate these cases over others and they received larger bonuses for these types of cases. Many people don't know this, but DEA and ICE can be paid cash bonuses for producing large siezures of regular drugs or small siezures of targeted drugs($5,000-$30,000 p/yr is average). With any C-I drug, possession of any amount is a felony. 1/4 of 1 tablet of Rohypnol could, in theory, get you 3-6 years in a federal prison. I haven't heard of a case of this happening, but the way the law reads it is possible.
Here is the DEA announcement on Rohypnol:
DEA Rohypnol Rescheduling
Hope this helps,
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PIGINPAIN
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One other thought...
PTSD is the most underdiagnosed illness in LE. We are afraid to seek counseling after serious incidents and few departments have mandatory counseling or time off after a critical incident. MANY officers self medicate for this with booze or any meds we can get our hands on.
Without getting too personal here, I learned this first hand. I was involved in a use of deadly force incident many moons ago. It is funny how the human mind works. when the sh#t hits the fan our brains go into overdrive and time stops. In four and a half minutes I made a thousand decisions, recalled training I hadn't had in a decade, and ended the life of an armed felon driving a stolen car who tried to end mine first.
My department told me to "shake it off" and return to work the next day. I called off sick for a week and locked myself in my closet, no BS. After three days of living in my walk in closet some of my cop buddies literally broke the door in at my wife's request and talked me into going to a shrink. The department did not pay for it, my brother and sister officers did. Two weeks later I was fine and returned to work, but the insomnia and nightmares never go away. The shrink said it's normal and returned me to full duty. I have worked a two years since then without incident. EXCEPT FOR THE VOICES IN MY HEAD!!!!(LOL)
The point is that this sheriff's deputy is a perfect example of a legitimate need for treatment, but he never got it. He chose to self medicate with a drug that he knew was as illegal as cocaine. Even in my worst depression and flashbacks I never resorted to illicit drugs, there is no excuse for it. Besides, modern pharmecuticals are far more reliable and often more potent than the garbage they sell on the streets. I can ALMOST relate to his pain of not being able to sleep and being willing to do almost anything to get sleep without the dreams, but that's why they make Valium 10mg!!! Valium is not even half as good as Rohypnol, but the law is the law. If we in LE don't follow it, why in the heck should anyone else?
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patient2all
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Appreciate all the LE inside "dope" you guys have witnessed, made for enlightening reading, but can we again stress the point that Angelique will not end up in prison because of her hotdeal, gooddeal or whatever?
I fear she's probably thinking 30 hydro, no they won't send a dress-up, 60 hydro maybe, 90 definitely!
Thanks,
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Trampy
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... Here is the DEA announcement on Rohypnol:
DEA Rohypnol Rescheduling Pig
While i appreciate your candor about LEOs and untreated PTSD (i have a related situation having to do with a federal matter) ... your link from 1996 says "First of all, DEA has begun the administrative process to move flunitrazepam from Schedule IV to Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act, which imposes more severe punishment for those trafficking in this illegal drug."
Well, i checked the CFR last year (2003) and flunitrazepam was still a C-IV. I've posted many times here (and on VIP) that it's still C-IV and you're the only one to contradict me in years. The Hillary Farias Act gave that 3-yr prison term for simple possession of any flunitrazepam amount but it did not instruct the DEA to reschedule flunitrazepam (as it did for GHB and ketamine). AFAIK, there has been no Final Rule (or even a time-limited Emergency Order) from DEA about rescheduling it to C-I published in the FR. All you posted was proof that the DEA *wanted* to make it a C-I in 1996, not that they ever did anything about it.
Reason for the continued C-IV status? ... the Roche lobbyists have been very good at preventing legislatures and agencies (federal and most states') from making it a C-I because that would reduce the sales of the biggest-selling patented prescription sleeping pill in the world. I go by the USC and 21 CFR 1308 in looking at the federal schedules. If you say they have really moved it to C-I, please provide some real proof in the federal law or regulations. Your link to that testimony said they *wanted* to move it, not that they were successful. I believe that all they did was enact those harsh punishments that treats it worse than most any C-I. And we have had the Customs ban on importation and the FDA's ban on medical use for many years. I realize that it's easy get confused and think all those things seem to mean it's C-I, but i've posted many times that it's C-IV and Billy has never corrected me. He knows the schedules.
The DEA says that they *began* that scheduling process in 1996, but they have not changed *anything* as of eight years later:
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/agency/penalties.htm
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qbird
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So basically Trampy you are saying it is still a schedule 4 class of drug. I know they have talked about changing the status but as far as I know I agree they have not acted on it. So when I read pig's post I was a bit confused.
To the original poster for goodness sakes get some records and go legit if you are worried. If the DEA came to your door you would know it.
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PIGINPAIN
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Trampy-You are correct, my mistake. They are in the process of considering it for C-I, but have not gotten there yet. Regardless, the point remains the same. DEA will only go after those persons who are receiving, selling, or using target drugs. Rohypnol is definitely a target drug (see below). I feel honored that you used three paragraphs to point out this mistake. Boy does it ever suck to be a human. I guess this means I am capable of error.
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/rohypnol/rohypnol.htm
Patient2all- I agree the original post needs answering, but no one on this board can answer a vague question such as the original post. We can try to give general outlines such as we’ve already done. Without details we are guessing. The original post said only that they had received prior shipments from a no prescription site. If any of the meds were scheduled, then there are several scenarios;
1) The shipment came from an IOP. US Customs (ICE) would have jurisdiction then, but they won’t touch it unless it is a large amount or a C-I.
2) The shipment came from inside the U.S. and DEA has jurisdiction. Again, the issue is quantity or type.
3) The local narcotics taskforce caught on and they have an axe to grind. The local taskforces usually won’t touch anything that is obtained from a doctor, unless there is fraud involved.
4) The delivery driver made a mistake and delivered it. The rest of this is a combination of guilty conscience and paranoid neighbor.
More information is needed to make this person feel better about potentially breaking the law. Guilt is supposed to be part of doing something you know, or think, may be wrong. I am done with this post.
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curiousdee
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One of the first lesson's in life is to love thy neighbor.
And if your neighbor is a snoopy, mean, busy body then you should ignore it dear. Your medicine is just as personal as your sex life. And if its not, it should be. Don't discuss anymore of your meds with your neighbors. Now, don't worry, be happy.
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ikestormu11
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Piginpain sorry to hear about your PTSD. Your department should've taken better care of you following your shooting. Fortunately you have some good freinds and family that have helped you through out your ordeal. Stay safe out there and thanks to you and all LE that work day and night to keep America safe.
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daddyj
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Well, it sounds like you use no-records OP's. From what I have seen, is that unless you purchase large quantities from these types of places, you aren't going to get into trouble.
My own opinion is that if you have a legitimate medical reason for buying these medications, whether you have medical records or not, you can't get into trouble. You are being prescribed an FDA approved medication by a licensed doctor in good standing, which is issued by a licensed pharmacy also in good standing and nobody can do a darn thing about it. Of course, that's just my opinion. The laws aren't very clear-cut (not yet, anyway) and it hasn't really been tested in court.
If you're a drug-addict or drug-dealer, then all bets are off.
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IMSUSCOT1
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1) The shipment came from an IOP. US Customs (ICE) would have jurisdiction then, but they wont touch it unless it is a large amount or a C-I.
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The original poster states it WASNT an IOP, just FYI, cuz I think the poster is still looking for an answer....my opinion, if they came from an OP with a Doctors consult, any questions related to legality fall to the OP not the patient. It' s FDA approved drugs with a doctors prescription, granted not his or her doctors, but if it's an OP SOME doctor scripted it.
But that's my opinion, I'll leave it to you legal eagles to give the final word
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Trampy
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... It' s FDA approved drugs with a doctors prescription, granted not his or her doctors, but if it's an OP SOME doctor scripted it. ...
I keep seeing posts saying that at least one of the new NR OPs is sending out controlled substances without a doctor's name on the pharmacy bottle. They also leave out other required labeling like the date, the name/address/phone of the pharmacy, and the federal "Warning: ..." Does this mean there's no doctor, or does it mean that the doctor is afraid to have his or her name on there? Either way, does a domestic OP that sends out meds labeled like that seem legal? Even D.G. put together a legit-looking label. Just a few hours with a word processor (if you've never done it before but know how to use the program) is all it would take to make a label template that met all the requirements.
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PIGINPAIN
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The original post only says it was a "no prescription" site. Unless they PM'ed someone about it not being an IOP. There is no such thing as a "no prescription" site in the U.S. that is legal. There are no records sites, but even those have to have a doctor write a script somewhere along the way or the meds couldn't be dispensed by the pharmacy.
Anyway, not enough info to figure it out...
Maybe Trampy figured it out, I wouldn't know because I finally decided to just block my view of all of her posts, it has cut my Xanax intake in half LOL...
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Sweetz
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Sheesh, that's a bit drastic for someone who is trying to help you and others. But, whatever floats your boat, I'm sure they won't miss you.
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purppoptart
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My last refill from sky (back in July) didn't have the date on the label, which I thought was strange.
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