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Pocahontas
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I've been searching for Yawkaw's hydro taper post but I can't find it. So sorry to ask, but can someone repost this info or PM me? Thanks much!!
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Aim for the moon, for if you miss you will always land amongst the stars ...
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emtp3
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Here are some posts from hydro withdrawl:
Re: hydro withdrawl [Re: potatoboy99]
#140437 - 02/22/04 03:10 AM Edit Reply Quote
potatoboy,
Immodium- how much to take is just a function of your tolerance, I've seen people take a box (24 pills) in one day- and have read posts of people taking more. All they reported were no stomach pain/no bowel movements...didn't minimize w/d otherwise, but they did have a big opiate habit. DO NOT do this if your tolerance doesn't allow- start small, maybe 4-5 pills and see where to go from there. You don't want to overconstipate yourself and end up having to go to the ER, then explain why you had to take so much Immodium. Also stay away from Immodium Advanced, that stuff has the same active ingredient as Gas-X (simethicone), which is also in detergent. All it does is change the size of gas bubbles- it is useless for withdrawal purposes.
Lomotil- depends on how much you can tolerate atropine. Definitely start small (also, 4 pills) and go from there. Atropine is very uncomfortable for some people, easy for others. I just get a headache, though I've never taken as much as I read some people here and on other boards do.
Atropine poisoning is dangerous, so the Lomotil must be taken easier until you know how you react- unlike Immodium, where constipation is the big problem. Please, no one take this as a license to abuse Immodium/Lomotil, know yourself and know your opiate tolerance before messing around.
-yawkaw
Re: hydro withdrawl [Re: ]
#140756 - 02/22/04 11:54 PM Edit Reply Quote
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Lately, the hydro is just not working for me. In fact, it is making feel lousy. At first, it seemed like the majic pill. It gave me energy, took the pain away, etc... seemed like the answer for me at the time. I started taking them last September... I am no longer doing the things I used to do like exercise, enjoy life. I just feel mentally clouded and really feel the need to assess where I am at with all of this.
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You are experiencing what everyone who has been on opiates long-term experiences. It starts out that you think you finally found what you are looking for- the pain is gone, you're peppy, you feel great. And then as time goes by it just doesn't do what is used to- instead of feeling "up," you've just got this feeling of lethargy. It takes more and more just to do the same thing.
If this is the first time you're trying to quit, cold turkey isn't as bad as it will be in the future if you keep up the hydro. But since you have nothing to compare it to, it will still suck. PM me if you want some more personalized advice, but in general, I recommend tapers. That is, if you have the willpower for a taper. IT is very tempting on a taper to just add a couple extra pills and feel good...but doing that negates your progress. So tapers are good if you have the willpower, then again- cold turkey makes the process much quicker- the downside is those 4 days of feeling horrible, and the high relapse rate.
Really, I'd be more than happy to help if you want to send me a PM and give you some options, let me know about your disease, med usage, etc. and I'll do my best to help you- I've written taper schedules for a lot of people here.
Best of luck to you whatever ya decide to do...I know what you are going through and have been in your shoes.
-yawkaw
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Edited by emtp3 (08/23/04 01:30 PM)
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Pocahontas
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I have found Yawkaw's post back from May where the FAQ was done regarding dependence/withdrawal/tapering but I am unable to find the finished product. I also read that Yawkaw is not accepting any more PMs regarding such info.. 
If someone could PM me or share the info, I'd be so appreciative!
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~Princess Pocahontas
Aim for the moon, for if you miss you will always land amongst the stars ...
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timberland
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What's wrong with a pill a week? That seems to work for most people. When you're down to 2 a day, at some point you might want to do the cold turkey early. There are also a million things you can take to lessen the negative effects, like taking a lot of claritin and Pepcid AC right before the tapering process, L-Tryptophan and/or L-Tyrosine during tapering and cold turkey, a little tramadol whenever you want, Theraflu, Advil and Aleve before tapering and during if it works for you, Tylenol... oh, man, I can't even remember the others right now. Quinine for restless leg, benzos but they can just delay w/d so use them sparingly, hydroxyzine, St. John's Wort during tapering and cold turkey...buspirone to help with the mental side effects, or Wellbutrin, but not both. Lots of stuff; just don't be afraid of it, it's not pleasant but it's really not that unbearable if you have a strong will.
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neonsign2003
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I HAVE A TAPER PLAN FOR BOTH BENZOS AND HYDRO. FIRST I DO NOT TAKE MORE THEN PRESCRIBED. EVEN THEN, I WILL SOONER OR LATER START TO NOTICE I AM BUILDING A TOLORANCE. I THEN TAKE OUT 5 OF THOSE MONDAY THRU SUNDAY PILL CONTAINERS. I CUT HALF A PILL EVERY WEEK. I DON'T MAKE EXCEPTIONS UNLESS MY BACK PAIN IS UNBAREABLE, THEN I WILL GIVE IT NO MORE THEN 2 EXTRA DAYS. IT IS NOT HARD TO DO AND SAVES ME BIG MONEY IF I CAN CUT THE SUGGESTED USE IN HALF. I ALSO KNOW THE DANGER THESE 2 MEDS ARE CAPABLE OF. I THINK EVERYONE SOONER OR LATER WILL BUILD UP A TOLORENCE AND TO TAPER DOWN IS THE ONLY WAY I KNOW HOW TO GET "IT" BEFORE "IT" GETS THE BEST OF ME.
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Fiver
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Hey Poco...
PM me and we can talk extensively about tapering if you're still interested. It *can* work if you have the resolve to do it. It's just hard to keep that resolve. PM me, we'll talk.
Fiver
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