jon6879
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I just got a new job and I have to take a drug tust. I'm take hydrocodone for my back. Does anyone know if they look for this in a drug test. And when I go for the test should I show them my bottle. Any help or advice would be great. Thanks Jon
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debbie4884
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Bring your bottle- no problem. I had a drug test and was taking my boyfriend's hydro, so I didn't even have a bottle. I told the tester that I had been taking some of my boyfriend's vicodin, and she said- oh, don't worry about that. I passed the test and got the job. You should have no worries.
Just make sure you write down on the sheet that you are taking hydro, they probably won't even ask to see your bottle.. 
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Viki
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Just make sure you write down on the sheet that you are taking hydro, they probably won't even ask to see your bottle..
I would not be so sure they would not care you are taking hydro without being able to produce a prescription. You can easily be labeled an "abuser", although you may not be one.
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ikestormu11
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Having your employer know you take hydro should not be a big deal. On the other hand it depends on the type of work you will be doing. If it involves any type of physical work the hydro could count against you. ie. You have back pain and your responsible for loading trucks. Obviously the employer would be reluctant. (Doubtful your loading trucks, but you get the idea.) Anyway it shouldn't be a problem. Good luck.
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debbie4884
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Viki,
If he has a bottle with his name on it and the doctor's name, etc., that is a legitmate prescription.
Also, he can say he just takes the Hydro when his pain flares up (whatever spot that might be)
I don't think the care about these pills, like they do for illegal street drugs. MY opinion though, for whatever its worth.
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jon6879
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The job does not include any much physical work, it is a sales position and I do have a real perscription for them. When I take the test should I bring the bottle and let them know or will they not even look for it.
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johng
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when you get a drug test please bare in mind that the only person who will verify a positive results is the the medical review doctor (MRO). The tester the one who administers the test could care less if you have the bottle. When I gave drug tests (at one point i was doring 10 20 a day) I would say "ok have the infor ready when the MRO calls" they are the only one who can say ok or nay to the med. It is none of the bussiness of the tester. the MRO will do 3 things. FIrst call the person being tested to get info ie MD proscribein and the phamcy and why and how much you take. then they wikk verify with MD and phamacy what you saud is correct. I sent a PM to Chris at NWW to let him know this so people using OPs will have as little wait as possible. any other info you want about the testing process PM me
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Imago
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When I had my drug test, I first asked my employer if they wanted info about the medicine I was taking. She said "Oh no....don't tell us anything about that. If the doctor has any questions about your meds, he'll call you". He never called which led me to believe they weren't really interested in hydrocodone to begin with....just illegal drugs maybe...like marijuana and cocaine. I definitely would have tested positive for opiates.
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therhino
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All info from one source at bottom of post....
Hi, I was looking into the big 4
benzo
hydro
oxy
codeine
and what i found is you need to be very carefull with codeine because of how it breaks down...
I couldn't find a line on just codeine but I posted some side info also that verifies the time.....
the thing that struck me is that codeine breaks down into morphine and I read this, so if you test pos for codeine they think it could be "h"
Heroin breaks down into codeine and morphine. Codeine breaks down into morphine. The opiate drug tests look for codeine, morphine, and 6-acetyl-morphine. The presence of 6-acetyl-morphine is relatively conclusive of recent heroin use, but is only detectable for a few hours after use. The presence of codeine can be the result of either heroin or codeine use. The presence of morphine can be the result of the use of heroin, codeine, or morphine. Relative levels of codeine and morphine can help determine their origin
so this tells me that codeine is easiest to find and looked for and you should watch out more then hydro, oxy and benzo.
just a quick obserevation but it SUPRISED ME :-)_~
The following chart gives approximate detection periods for each substance by test type. The ranges depend on amount and frequency of use, metabolic rate, body mass, age, overall health, drug tolerance, and urine pH (see alwaystestclean.com for more details)
| SUBSTANCE |
URINE |
HAIR |
BLOOD |
| Alcohol |
6-24 hrs |
n/a |
unknown |
| Amphetamine |
1-4 days |
up to 90 days |
unknown |
| Barbiturates |
1-21 days |
unknown |
unknown |
| Benzodiazepines |
1-42 days |
unknown |
unknown |
| Cannabis (single use) |
48-72 hrs |
up to 90 days |
2-3 days |
| Cannabis (habitual use) |
up to 12 wks |
up to 90 days |
2 weeks |
| Cocaine |
4-5 days |
up to 90 days |
unknown |
| Codeine/Morphine |
2-4 days |
up to 90 days |
unknown |
| Heroin |
8 hrs |
up to 90 days |
unknown |
| Methamphetamine |
3-5 days |
up to 90 days |
1-3 days |
| PCP |
3-7 days |
up to 90 days |
1-3 days |
Hydrocodone and Drug Tests
Hydrocodone does not show up in the basic opiate test which is part of the standard pre-employment drug test. The opiate test tests primarily for morphine (which both codeine and heroin break down into). Since hydrocodone does not break down into morphine, it is not detected. Hydrocodone is tested for in the extended tests offered by some testing companies.
Diazepam (Valium) and Drug Tests
Diazepam is one of several prescription benzodiazepines commonly tested for in the extended drug test. Cutoff levels are 300 ng/ml.
Oxycodone and Drug Tests
Oxycodone does not show up in the basic opiate test which is part of the standard pre-employment drug test. The opiate test tests primarily for morphine (which both codeine and heroin break down into). Since oxycodone does not break down into morphine, it is not detected. As with most substances, oxycodone is possibleto test for, but it is quite rare for this to be done.
and what about hte f^%%^# hair tests....
Hair Testing
Many opiates are detectable with hair tests (the same which are detectable in a urine test) and are included in the standard set of substances tested for by many companies. The standard hair screen takes the most recent 1.5 inches of growth and use those for testing. That provides a detection period of approximately 90 days. If an individual's hair is shorter than 1.5 inches, this detection period will be shorter.
There are five primary types of drug tests: urine, blood, hair, saliva, and sweat. Most common is the urine test which has the benefit of being inexpensive and less intrusive than the blood test.
Urine Tests
- Are the least expensive of the test methods (~$25-$50)
- Can be done at home (for example by parents).
- Detect use primarily within the past week (longer with regular use).
- Can be affected by abstaining from use for a period of time before the test
- Are often temperature tested to insure sample integrity
Hair Tests
- Are considered a relatively unintrusive method of drug testing.
- Are currently many times more expensive than urine tests (~$100-$150).
- Detect substance use over a longer period (see detection period)
- Do not usually detect use within the past week.
- Require a sample of hair about the diameter of a pencil and 1.5 inches long. They can not be done with a single hair.
- Test positive a little more than twice as often as a urine test. In a recent study, out of 1823 paired hair and urine samples, 57 urine samples tested positive for drugs of abuse; while 124 hair samples from the same group tested positive.
- Are not significantly affected by brief periods of abstinence from drugs.
- Can sometimes be used to determine when use occured and if it has been discontinued. Drugs, such as opiates (codeine, morphine, heroin) lay down on the hair shaft very tightly and are shown not to migrate along the shaft, thus, if a long segment of hair is available one can draw some "relative" conclusions about when the use occurred. However cocaine, although very easy to detect, is able to migrate along the shaft; making it very difficult to determine when the drug was used and for how long.
- Claims to be able to reliably differentiate between opiate and poppy seed use
- We've recently heard (8/2001) that many hair tests now check for more than the NIDA 5, and include at least Cannabis, Ecstasy/MDMA, Cocaine, Opiates, Methamphetamine, Amphetamine, Phencyclidine (PCP), Benzodiazepines, & Barbiturates.
Blood Tests
- Are considered the most intrusive method of testing.
- Are the most expensive method of testing
- Are the most accurate method of testing
- Are the least common method of testing (most likely due to cost)
Saliva Tests
- Are considered a relatively unintrusive method of drug testing
- Are still relatively uncommon
- Are easy to administer.
Sweath (Patch) Tests
- Are considered a relatively intrusive method of drug testing because they require the wearing of a patch for an extended period of time.
- Are still relatively uncommon
- Are controversial in terms of accuracy. There is some reason to believe that surface contamination (such as cannabis smoke) can cause a false reading.
- Can detect use which would not trigger other tests. Because of the short detection period for many drugs in urine, single use more than a week ago of many drugs will not cause a positive urine test. Because the skin patches are gathering sweat over an extended period of time, it is possible that any use during that time will produce a positive result.
hope this helps......
all info from
http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/testing/testing.shtml
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lttlbit
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I have to take my drug test for me probation officier on thursday afternoon and I as of right now have stopped taking the hydro so I will have the rest of the day today and all of tuesday and all of wednesday and some of the day on thursday, do you think I will pass? and is there anything that the GNC store sells that I can go and buy to cleanse out my system? I called the gnc store and the guy who could barely speak english told me that they sell some cleansing stuff but he could not be specific on the phone with me and i had asked him if it cleans out opiates and he said yes but to come and check them out but i was wondering if anyone here knows of anything there at the gnc store i can buy and also what else besides drinking a lot of water will help, thanks.
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kandi
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Excellent info Rhino, and very timely on my part...I went to work sick the other day (because their policy is if you have a pulse and respirations you have to attempt to go in)...anyway, after an all night bout with severe diarrhea and stomach cramps, I was told by my supervisor I 'didn't look right', so instead of being sent HOME, I was sent for a random drug test. Keep in mind, I just got my yearly performance evaluation LAST WEEK and it was excellent! I told them I have an 'as needed' script for Hydro, for my back problems, but that I don't use it on the job...I guess the egg will be on their face when the test comes back completely negative!
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kandi
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Oops, also forgot to add..it depends on which type of test you get...They only did a 5 panel on me, which tests for OPIATES (morphine, codeine, and heroin), whereas other tests include testing for OPIOIDS such as hydro and oxy. But it would appear that I am in the clear, considering I have a script and the test will come back negative, thank God.
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therhino
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also just one note, when you are asked to take a test, you don't tell your HR department your prescrition list, that is priviledged info based on the new hippa laws, but if you test positive for a substance then the doctor for the drug test company will call and ask you about your "positive" and if you hav a VALID reason you company never knows because the doctor for the drug test company will validate you info. This is what I have read and told by a credible source, if I am incorrect please let me know but I think I hit the mark on my comment....
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emtp3
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If I could I would like to add to therhino's post, which is right on, but for some jobs zero tolerence is allowed on any narcotic positive test even with a medical reason, now the argument there is, how they can figure out if your taking it after work and are you at the acceptable time before work and is not affecting your mental state during work.
There has been alot of issues brought up over this.
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khioxn
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Their are things that you can buy that you take the day of the test that cleans out your system. My friend just had to do this ...
Good luck ...
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kandi
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Their are things that you can buy that you take the day of the test that cleans out your system. My friend just had to do this ...
Good luck ...
Hey don't I know it! When I was first tested for this company, I had some Xannies that I didn't have a script for...that has since been remedied..I used a synthetic urine, and the test came back negative. In this case however, I was escorted off the premises by security without ANY WARNING, so using that was not an option, since I had no time alone to prepare or even think. The deal here is that this is a WITCH HUNT, because I had to spend 3 months on paid medical leave for my back which i recently returned from....I am now a liabilty to them financially, since they know that back problems (of which I have a gazillion)rarely recover fully. And, as I almost expected, the nerve ablasion DID NOT WORK..I am still in severe pain almost all the time, but I CANNOT even describe the level of pain after a 12.5 hour shift. If you all haven't guessed yet, I am a nurse, working the floor in a very busy hospital. As I said, I received an excellent performance evaluation, and was also nominated for 'nurse of the year' for the entire facility, so obviously, there is no performance issue here...if I have to take a Hydro during the day (and if you think docs don't do it, keep dreaming) to complete my work, and it doesn't affect my work, then I think that's my business...JMHO....kandi
P.S. Rhino, I need to PM you...will try tomorrow, okay?
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ossi69
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also just one note, when you are asked to take a test, you don't tell your HR department your prescrition list, that is priviledged info based on the new hippa laws, but if you test positive for a substance then the doctor for the drug test company will call and ask you about your "positive" and if you hav a VALID reason you company never knows because the doctor for the drug test company will validate you info. This is what I have read and told by a credible source, if I am incorrect please let me know but I think I hit the mark on my comment....
100% correct on this. I ~just~ 2 days ago had this conversation with one of our HR people in the hospital that I work in. The MRO will call you first to discuss a positive test to rule out a valid reason. If you can provide adequate documentation (Dr confirms or script documentation) then he will report a negative result.
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trixxie
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Not in my business....what I do on my time, could impact whether I continue in my business....
On the other issues, my job is sensitive enough, that I believe(not for fact..just pretty certain)that even with a script from my doc, I will be passed over for promotions...so I stay within the confines of my union...it keeps my job safe.
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