JBRONCFAN
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Well, oddly enough, I read a post here that someone took 15/80's of compounded hydro/asap and the same thing, they barely worked. They said the 10/325's worked better. I mean, maybe we can try to eat some over the counter asap with the 10/325's and see if it makes a difference.
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hilarylp
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I'm going to risk being thought of as a real bitch here, but the abbreviation for acetaminophen is APAP. Just an FYI, nothing more.
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timberland
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I'm going to risk being thought of as a real bitch here, but the abbreviation for acetaminophen is APAP. Just an FYI, nothing more.
Psst... it was probably a typo...
It's clear you're up on your abbrev., but can you educate us as to what APAP stands for? That's more impressive than catching a typo.
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hilarylp
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Acetaminophen also is known as N-acetyl-p-aminophenol (APAP).
Are you impressed?
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Edited by hilarylp (08/18/04 10:05 PM)
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timberland
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Acetaminophen also is known as N-acetyl-p-aminophenol (APAP).
Are you impressed?
 Very much so! That's actually the first bit of chemistry I've learned on this board. I can draw the structure because of the British term for APAP of "paracetamol", but I confess, I did not know this acronym. Thank you for your grace and permissiveness.
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PamiX
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The meds in the past 4 months have seemed really weak, I really thought it might be a tolerance issue, but after reading complaint's about the "yellow watson" I'm convinced
it's the meds. No, I don't use United RX. I just posted a thread a few days ago, "I need help with my 10/325's" I had quit a few nice responses that I think will help. Change to a higher dose of APAP. Maybe 10/500. I hate dicking around with meds though. I'll ask on my next consult.
I hope everyone gets their meds straighten out. Best of luck.
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hilarylp
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Thank you!! I knew that chemistry text from college would come in handy someday!!
Have a good day; it's raining buckets here...
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oothibo
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I also posted this in another forum but thought it might be appropriate here too:
Just wanted to let everyone know that I have been having the same problem. I ordered from Sky a month ago and the pills were a bit weak. I was used to taking the 7.5/750 pills and thought it better to decrease the APAP and increase the hydrocodone to cut the pain so I ordered the 10/325. Needless to say they were weak and of poor quality. I am in the process of consultation with Watson (the manufacturer) to try and find out what causes this and what can be done. I have looked in my pharmacology books to see if I could find anything that might point to a reason as to why this is happening but have come up empty handed. I will let everyone know what Watson has to say as soon as they get back to me.
I have re-ordered to see if the same problem exists but at this point with all the other posts I think I will just ship the pills back (since I don't have money to waste). I am considering contacting the DEA to see what can be done to prosecute Sky if they are selling fraudulant (i.e. old or otherwise ineffective pills).
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timberland
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The meds in the past 4 months have seemed really weak, I really thought it might be a tolerance issue, but after reading complaint's about the "yellow watson" I'm convinced
it's the meds. No, I don't use United RX. I just posted a thread a few days ago, "I need help with my 10/325's" I had quit a few nice responses that I think will help. Change to a higher dose of APAP. Maybe 10/500. I hate dicking around with meds though. I'll ask on my next consult.
I hope everyone gets their meds straighten out. Best of luck.
-Pam
Have you tried to switch to another dose for a refill? I mean, if you were prescribed 0.25mg Xanax and you wanted 2mg bars, you'd get a beatdown from the doc's assistant, but in this case, I'd just be asking for more Tylenol. I'll ask my OP tonight and get back to everyone.
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eelrm
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I have re-ordered to see if the same problem exists but at this point with all the other posts I think I will just ship the pills back (since I don't have money to waste). I am considering contacting the DEA to see what can be done to prosecute Sky if they are selling fraudulant (i.e. old or otherwise ineffective pills).
#1 You can't return controlled meds. Period. . You actually think that fly by night outfit would give you a refund, even if it was allowed? Even WALGREENS wouldn't give you a refund.If your using COD, of course you can refuse them.
#2 Contact the DEA and make them aware you buy narcotics off the internet-that's a good idea. Do everything you can to bring more scrutiny to online OP's-that's an even better idea.
Pick up any pill book at the library or the book store and it will tell you the longer you take narcotics the more you need for the same releif.That is the nature of the beast.
And everybody:
This subject comes along peridocially on the DB forum. I read the same BS over and over. It takes 10 years for Hydrocodone to break down. Watson Pharmaceuticals is a very highly regulated company. The 10/325's have 10mg of hydrocodone in them, give or take a 3-4% (not 30-40%) variance up or down. Combine tolerance and the placebo effect-if you don't think they are going to work-they won't.
Sky would not sell bogus pills. They fill 500-1000 scripts a day I bet. Word of mouth is a huge source of business for them. And repeat business.
If the pills didn't work, you would be going through withdrawal. Try not taking them, see what happens.
If the 7.5/500's, or the 10/500's, or the 7.5/750's work better for you, then by all means use them. But, please stop this "Yellow watson's don't work". There are thousands of member's here that will tell you they work quite well, thank you! 
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cmerts
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I agree with your post! And though some won't admit it...just reading that someone got a bad shipment puts it in your mind and therefore you are prepared for them not to work and so you won't feel it as much. I think the difference in Watsons and Mallies is psychological as well..so many have complained that they are not as good..but why..because they don't have the name Watson on them..or because they are white instead of blue or yellow or pink..It's the same with generic food..alot of people thing generic foods taste bad because it is missing the brand name..when in all actuality it is probably the same thing. Just my opinion!
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oothibo
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In reply to:
#1 You can't return controlled meds. Period. . You actually think that fly by night outfit would give you a refund, even if it was allowed? Even WALGREENS wouldn't give you a refund.If your using COD, of course you can refuse them.
#2 Contact the DEA and make them aware you buy narcotics off the internet-that's a good idea. Do everything you can to bring more scrutiny to online OP's-that's an even better idea.
Pick up any pill book at the library or the book store and it will tell you the longer you take narcotics the more you need for the same releif.That is the nature of the beast.
I don't really appreciate you talking to me like I'm an idiot. As a matter of fact, I am a medical student and understand the complete mechanisms of how these drugs act, how tolerance occurs and also how withdraw occurs so I don't really think I need to "pick up a book at the library or at the store" to get the education.
Secondly, I only take the medication when needed and that is at most once a day. Tolerance does not occur this quickly or we would all be in trouble. Also, if they are selling lesser quality pills because they are coming from sources that have held the pills for an extended period of time or they are in a hot warehouse then someone needs to be alerted because this is fraud. And yes I would contact the DEA, and will if I find these pills to not be the quality they should be, because in that case the pharmacy should not have a license. It is not illegal to order medications online as long as there is a legit reason and I have records to prove it so I'm not scared to contact them. And finally, I'm pretty sure there is plenty of scrutiny of all the OP's in business today to begin with so to cause a microscope to be pointed at one that is conducting fraudulant business and putting peoples health at risk is not going to change the business forever. It will just cause them to either sell pills that are fresh or be fined.
I am giving them another chance because I may have gotten a bad batch, which I still am going to send a sample to Watson to see if that is the case. Hopefully, the same problem will not occur but either way I'll be seeing a doctor in less than a month so I'll be able to get medication that is normally priced anyway.
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CARLITOS_WAY
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Everyone should get this straight. Watson's Hydro's are good generic's. They would have to be several years old to even think of loss of ANY potency. Prolonged exposer to heat and light would effect them. PROLONGED!! Watson is the #1 sold generic of Hydro's, so ...you think they have them lying around for years collecting dust. People have to understand the tolerance, the amount of food in stomach, and any other meds taken within 1-2 hours before or after which can potentiate or delute the meds, and some that act all day. I have heard of this weakness of drugs about medication for decades, and the strength. If it was not a drug that is most prescribed for pain, and the most popular of generic, I would listen. If I'm wrong with what I say please let me know and why
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TSLTiff
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I agree here. I think that some meds may be a little stronger or weaker than others, as I have definitely experienced it myself. However, never to the point where I think that I should be concerned.
To go off of the point that was made about the # of scripts filled daily. It is almost crazy to think that Sky would have enough meds on hand for them to sit long enough to lessen in strength. I am sure that they go through thousands and thousands of Hydro's a week, thus the turnover, so to speak, is EXTREMELY high. I have orderd from Sky twice in a bind, and once was just recently. I too received green 10/650's when I ordered 10/500's. I thought that they actually were a little more potent than my usual stuff. Bottom line is that for them to sell bad pills, while not impossible, is so completely unlikely. They are making so much money it just doesn't make sense as a business model for them to keep so much inventory that some would somehow go bad. And as far as where they are getting them from, I am pretty sure that you can't call up walmart and ask them to deliver a few cases of hydrocodone and leave it by the back door. Ordering of controlled substances is very tightly organized, so the chance that these pills somehow lessened in quality before getting to Sky is also very unlikely.
I am the first person to agree that anything is possible, but I think that there is much more to be said here about group think. I am not calling anyone here an addict, but addicts are typically in denial. "Um, ya, I couldn't possibly be building a tolerance, it must be the meds that are getting weaker". Again, this is to no one personally, just making a point for the sake of argument.
I hope you guys don't get all huffy over this, I know that it's an issue, as I said, I have experienced minor differences myself. I just don't think that it's as big of an issue as it is being made out to be.
Just my 2 cents.. I would love to hear some rebuttle, that's what's great about this board, there are actually people here that can hold good, intelligent conversations.
Thanks
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srw
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ive been on every hydro there is since my cancer surgery in 01' and they all seem to work pretty close together, for me , 1 10/325 works a little better than 2 5/500's , sometimes when i take 1 type for awhile and then switch, the newer one seems stronger,its probabely in my head as it's the same amount of hydro, i feel overall tsl is right, i dont think they would get weak enough to really feel a difference, it is more likely building a tolerance, i know i have 1, i remember taking my first 5/500 and feeling that warm fuzzy pain relief lol, thats long gone, now its usually 2 10/325's that does the trick, but every1 is different, and ive never noticed for myself any difference in any generics, jmo
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cmerts
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I did not make the post that you are quoting and I did not speak to you as an idiot. I was replying to someone else and explaining what I have experienced my self and have read on other posts.
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summer
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I am not replying to the above poster, just clicked on reply to add the horrific experience of my tennant in the cottage behind my home as I ma with a records op.
He ordered 60 10/500's, and alazopram from Rxgooddeals, and withing 1 and 1/2 days was thrown into IMMEDIATE withdrawl. This is no B.S. story. I'd get him to type his own experience, but that is not possible as he is in the hospital from the effects of the W/D's. There is no doubt in my mind that as for this moment it is a very REAL AND SCAREY thought that they are passing off counterfit pills.
I thank God everyday for my records op and the ability to use them. I've been pleading with him for months to sign with a legit co but there's only so far you can push a person. Sadly enough, he's paying a price now and does plan to sue Gooddeals.
I just wanted to throw in this info to open up the eyes of anyone who may be interested. It is EASIER THAN ANYBODY THINKS to counterfit a med, so for your own safetys sake-PLEASE SIGN ON WITH A RECORDS OP so you don't wind up in a hospital bed for an exteneded period.
Thanks for reading-
Hugs and Love-
Summer
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suzi
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Oh my Gosh, Summer, that is so horrible. Your friend will be in my thoughts and prayers.
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JeanneLynn
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How terrible! I have to agree about the records OP. It isn't that hard to get records and most OPs don't need MRIs or other expensive tests (for those with no insurance), just one or two pages showing that you've got a painful condition and that you've been to a doctor about it. The records OPs prices are so much better than the NR ones that you'd make up what you spent seeing a doctor, chiropractor, on the first order.
I'm on 2 medications, and if I were to order them from Skyrx the total monthly for 120 count of each would be $720.00 or $800 at Hotdeals(I realize that you can only order monthly from Sky, so if you needed 120 count, you'd probably have to order from 2 NR OPs, but I'm just demonstrating the price difference) versus the $163.00 to my records OP for the same medication/quantity. Even if you figure in $100 for the consult every 3 months, it comes to less than $200 a month! I'm not going to spend an extra $600 a month for questionable quality meds! That is great incentive to get your records together or if you can't get them, to visit a new doctor. My doctor charges $60 for an office visit and my chiropractor charges $25.00. You can find some doctors that are reasonable. I feel so badly for the people that have to use these OPs.
I hope your friend recovers soon. WD from benzos can be so deadly!
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dharma6666
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Ummm I posted a while back I believe or maybe PM'd someone, My friend got pills with NOTHING on them for imprint and sent them back via UPS with tracking of course. Never received refund or replacement. Would not take them of course. So, I believe this story is very credible.
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summer
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Thank you all for your shows of support. I'm going to print out the STATEMENTS only-No NAMES-I PROMISE, and birng them to him at the hospital, it's knowing that people care makes more of a differance than you know.
I just wanted to make sure that this does not happen to ANONE. In this op world, we are all "related" in one way or another, and in that repect should always have each others backs when situations like this happen, or information is learned.
Again, thank you all and God Bless-
Summer
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