Boobetty
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Hi ya all, has ANYONE heard of 'health choice'. They just took money out of my account. Here is the story, I was half asleep last week, just had a historectomy, and these people call and say, 'you need to refill your prescription now' and of course I was not thinking and gave them what they needed. But when I woke up the next day I was like who the heck was that...so I called my bank and they stated this is who they were...so I am putting in a fraud charge on them due to the fact that they did not give the goods or even call me about it and the fact that I have know idea who they are...please can someone help here?....thanks in advance Boobetty
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DonBarba
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It's probably the people that have been calling - self described as "Online Pharmacy" - who seem to have gotten lots of names/info from some OP(s).
Your credit card should have an 800 # to go with the charge, but if you just do a chargeback you should be fine.
Credit Card companies make it easy for you the consumer to dispute a charge.
Best of luck
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want2bcalm
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I too fell for the refill bit. Very angry w/myself. It wasn't that much $ but when I go to do a chargeback on my card it asks what I've done to resolve the charge w/the company, etc. What should I say? I DID Ok the "refill". I just have never rec'd the goods.
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want2bcalm
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they called themselves "on-line pharmacy". It shows up on the charge as something really weird. Like UHUnited or something like that.
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DonBarba
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what I've done to resolve the charge w/the company, etc.
If you have a # for them call first, then tell your bank...
They don't answer their phone
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The refuse to credit you when the product was never shipped.
The bank just needs to see that you tried to contact the vendor first to resolve the issue.
If you don't have the phone #, your bank should have received one with the charge; or I know they are posted somewhere around here or there on the boards.
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Boobetty
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Bless all of you for this really...I am so angry I did this...they were so sneaky about it doing it so late at night...also I was on medication...but the deal is this I called this number on the bank transactions..turns out they answer in VERY broken english, something pharmacy...they knew who I was, due to Caller ID, and said what did you order and after giving up to the fact that I was losing the language barrier. I told them and they stated it takes 5-10 days to get this order and it comes FEDX...hum...well I told them I was not going to stand for this since they have had my some $235. in there pockets and I have no order. Agreed and said that I should wait till Monday to see if it comes...they gave me this IP address.207-234-145-245-..I am like WHAT THE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!anyway this is my husbands card, he did not order from them. He is going in today to do a fraud report on them and state that we have called, gotten noplace with them and state he NEVER heard of them...this is true my friends...I have NEVER in my life heard of this place...and we thought it was the OP I go through due to the fact I was due for a refill. Thanks for your help and please everyone...be carefull when you are answering the phone..don't get pulled in like me..names and numbers is what I say...you can have my records and blood but I want your name address phone and blood as well. thanks again everyone for your help...please if anyone can find out if these guys have some sort of scam going please let me know...need all the amo I can get....Boo
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Boobetty
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Hi.yeah I would say that you never recieved your goods. Boo
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yawkaw3
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Just FYI- I have no idea if this is true or not - there are a few reports of people who have gotten from this company about a week to ten days after the phone call. I have no idea if that's true or if these are reliable posters- I heard this secondhand. So do your chargebacks and such anyway, maybe you'll get a pleasant surprise one day in the mail?
There is a thread about this on the NWW board- I will see if I can find it and show you the post I'm talking about.
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Boobetty
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Hi thanks yawk...yeah that is what they told me ..a week to ten days for this perticular medication. But it has been 8 biz days and we are concerned. I did wonder why they seemed so eger to sell me other things while I was on the phone, he asked me if I wanted to order anything eles..seems kinda strange to me if a customer has a problem...he acted like he knew who I was..funny...oh well..the wheels on the bus go round and round..thanks..Boo
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wat853son
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I just plugged in the IP numbers you quoted -
http://207.234.145.245/
and up pops MailOrderPharmacy-Rx.com "offers a convenient, private, affordable alternative to conventional physician consultations and pharmacies and other costly online services. We enable those patients with transportation issues, limited access to quality medical care, and privacy needs the ability to safely and easily have their medications prescribed and delivered directly to their door"
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Boobetty
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Wow thanks so much for that...seeems they do not even offer the meds that I ordered...they knew though that that is what I was refilling...weired....more info thank you...I am chargein back on these folks cause I think they may not be fraud but the cost is out ragouse...I did read in there that the doc's cs is nonrefundable...so I guess I am stuck in a rock...cause they already accepted the order...maybe I should just wait till Monday and then do this...thank you for all of your help...I personally would still be very carefull on who we are talking to on the phone..I just can't believe I did that...it was a mastake and now I am suffering from it. Funny there Sales people there act like they know who they are talking too and just want you to order...they don[t seem to care about your problems...do not order from these guys...it says overnight delivery...nope...the guys says a week to 10 biz days and it's been 9 biz since they called me and woke me up from a drug induceded sleep after having major surgery...eeekkk....guess my fault for answering but there was nobody home....Thanks everyone for your help..hope this helps others....can you believe the prices??? Boo 
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Imago
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About a month ago, I had voicemail from someone called "Online Pharmacy". They left a number, so out of curiosity, I called them back.
A man with a heavy accent answered the phone and said I had ordered Vicodin from them in March (not true...I never order Vicodin) and wanted to know if I'd like to order again. I asked the name of his company and he said "Online Pharmacy". I asked for the name of his website and he said "mypillsrx.com". (never ordered from them, never heard of them, they don't exist)
He went on to say they were offering several promotions this month. I asked about 10/325s but he didn't have those. He could sell me #90 10/500s for $239, shipping included.
I told him I wasn't interested and hung up.
Don't know if this is the same place but sounds like it is...both calling themselves "Online Pharmacy".
BTW, when I called, he answered "hello", not "mypillsrx.com, may I help you?". Makes me think someone is calling from their home.
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want2bcalm
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Darn! Today I had an e-mail that said, "Your order has been approved by the doctor" blah, blah, blah...gave the toll free # of 1-888-763-3822. return address is "[email protected] What is going on??? I got one of the mystery phone calls yesterday from someone w/an accent and he said he was from "on-line pharmacy" and I just said, "I DO NOT WANT A REFILL," and hung up. I don't want to deal with these scam artists and it seems like they have all our or MY info, etc. Now I will have to go to the bank and get a new CC and quit ordering stuff from on-line (op or anything else).
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DonBarba
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I don't know what it could have to do with the phone call but...
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Darn! Today I had an e-mail that said, "Your order has been approved by the doctor" blah, blah, blah...gave the toll free # of 1-888-763-3822. return address is "[email protected]
this phone# and email address is for
http://www.expressonlinepharmacy.com/contact_us.html
a pharmacy which I have used and is as far as I can tell totally legit.
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wat853son
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Boobetty- I researched this because 1) I know you are a great person as your posts are sincere and 2) I also was called like others and simlpy told them they were crazy and to provide facts as I did not order anything. They quickly hungup. Keep us posted and good luck.
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want2bcalm
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I TOLD them on 7/7/09 when they called that I DID NOT want a refill and hung up. The next day (7/8/04) e-mails showed up on my computer saying that my order had been approved, etc. WTH??? I closed my CC today because obviously they have my number and all my info. The other one was way back in May. It was one of those phone calls & sounded legit,etc. So I fell for it. Again, they already had all my info & again said they were from "on-line pharmacy". The charge showed up on my CC as HMUUNIVERSAL.COM. I had gotten an e-mail from them that looked legit. It said they were "whitelineparma.biz" I never rec'd anything from them therefore when I got the call on 7/7 again from a man saying he was from "on-line pharmacy", I said, NO THANKS & hung up. They still went ahead & supposedly filled an order. That is what the e-mails I got on Friday said!! I was shocked. I e-mailed them back and they are calling themselves Millenium Pharmaceuticals LLC.
Lesson learned-- DO NOT get any refills from anyone that calls. These people are scamming & I am just praying that since I changed my cc info that I will not get anymore unrequested "refills." Somewhere some people (and I think it is more than one group) has gotten ahold of people's info and are cold calling. I thought I was safe by just saying NO THANKS after I had previously fell for it and didn't receive anything but appearantly not. JEEZ. What a mess.
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Boobetty
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HI and thanks Wats..that was sweet....I did call them again yesterday, they anwersered "health services" and got put on hold till doooms day...then some girl answered in broken english...(god bless ya guess tryin to speak english)she asked what my email address was and my addy and phone. Then puts me through to so called customer service number...well I get a VM box..left a damning message and sooner then later I get a call stateing I should see my meds by tuesday...I said I paid over 230 and your shipping it two day..she said some bull and I just hung up not after stating that I would be doing charge backs on this order today...so we learned a lesson I just hope everyone on the board reads this thread cause it's an important one and we need to spread the word that some people are out there tryin to make money off you with out your total consent...I will try to keep ya all posted...thanks Boobetty... funny thing is is that we are moving...that ALWAYS HELPS TOO....
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PrivateRealm
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Do a charge back and do NOT EVER give your bank or CC info out over the phone. Not for collections agents or anything.
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Boobetty
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HI thanks..I will...these folks are a joke, they state sinfe all of the once that went belly up they were helping thosee customers first....yeah what ever...she said I could do a charge back once I get the package....god what a mess...Boo..
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mizzzj
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Tell them that their IP address has been logged and reported to the DEA and FBI for investigation of Internet fraud. Tell them if you don't get your money back quickly, they'll be arrested and face criminal charges.
Tell them that its in their best interest to act quickly before they go to prison.
That will get their attention...Don't say it in a nice way.
You sound like a really sweet person.
Sometimes it doesn't pay to be nice...
Best of Luck!
MizzzJ
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want2bcalm
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Well here's an update on the mysterious phone calling "On-line pharmacy" people. DO NOT USE THESE people. DO NOT fall for their lines,etc. I did get a chargeback from the HMUUNIVERSAL thing but as I said in a previous post, I got another weird phone call on 7/7/04, told them I was NOT interested and hung up. The next day I got e-mails saying my order had been approved. I was completely baffled since I had NOT ok'd any order of anything. I swear I didn't even talk to them as soon as the guy said, "I'm calling from On-line pharmacy and it is time for your refill." I swear I said, "I'm not interested," and then hung up the darn phone. I promptly called & cancelled my CC when I got those e-mails the next day saying my order had been approved. WTH??? Well guess what folks? It showed up today on my cc statement. A charge from Health Solutions Network for something I never ok'd or ordered. Doggone it. I am hoping that since I cancelled that particular cc they will not be able to randomly place an order for me again!!! I will once again do a chargeback. I am pretty furious about this whole ordeal. I do think I will take the advice of the above poster and say that about LE working on them, etc. If I ever get an "On-line pharmacy" phone call again. Rats...
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Boobetty
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I tried that..threatend them and the whole deal..some lady kept telling me oh you never talked to me before...let me do a report to customer service...and the again on Tuesday same thing...I gave up...told them if they do not refund my money I am going to charge back by friday..I am out of my meds ..just had surgery and am stuck with a doc that thing ibuprophin is the way to go....I can't believe what I am reeading that people are saying no and they ship them anyway...what is with these people...I am sick of them...they have cost me four days of agravation...I think someone should do something about them...DB...think you can..they are stealing peoples money....boo... and sick..
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Boobetty
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Hi, man these guys are just blanten out liers...this lady called me yesterday, "oh I am following up on the voice mail customer service, what is the problem," Gee hum, I told her well since 6/28 I have not gotten my meds. I don't have a confermation number either but she new who I was and all my information. She said she would call the pharm and call me back in the afternoon..nada...I also told her that if she helped me I would not yell fraud, she thanked me for that...so I guess today is the day for the fraud paper..just need my husband to sign it cause it's in his name...I just can't believe how blaten they are just going and sending people meds...but not mine...luckley EPHY is there..they are a godsend and there customer service is the best..thanks Jeff if you are reading this because the cost is way less and it's all C.O.D...but after 6/28 I am still working on getting them to credit my account and plan on reporting them to the betterBB....what a joke...I feel bad if ANYONE has given there CC to them cause they are going to try something sneaking...end of conversation with this girl she said " Did you want to order anything elese" I was shocked...I said oh my god you have to be kidding...you havn't even sent the stuff I ordered...saga goes on ..be carefull my friends...I know your smart and so am I but I had just had surgery and stupidly answered my phone and thought it was EPHY due to I was due for a refill...thank god for them....Boo...by the way thanks for all the advice and it's well taken...will be used...
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lindatexas
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Your credit card should have an 800 # to go with the charge, but if you just do a chargeback you should be fine.
Credit Card companies make it easy for you the consumer to dispute a charge.
Best of luck
Doing a chargeback is everything but FINE.
Calling the number on the statement is also not the right way to go.
Too many people in the USA go this way (in other countries they still have brains left) and there is nothing worse you can do if you still like to order cheaper medications in the future.
Contact the pharmacy where you ordered! They can solve your problem, send a replacement or refund your money.
Contact them politely, you do not need send blackmail and threats to contact the DEA and FDA and all gov agencies you ever heard the name of, just to get an answer.
Why do things happen like what happened to Paysytems (closing all pharmacies accounts) and why does PayPal not allow pharmacy business?
Because people dispute charges! People dispute charges because they don't remember that they ordered, or they don't remember where they ordered, or they did not read under what name that charge will show on their statement.
People also dispute charges if they want to get something for free.
This risk causes banks to keep up to 20% of the total sale value from a pharmacies money. This is why prices are so high. This is why some pharmacies can not take credit cards at all.
If you value the option to use credit cards to pay for your meds, avoid to resolve a matter by disputing a charge.
You would also be blacklisted by that pharmacy and many other pharmacies if you dispute a charge, no pharmacy wants to risk their business.
SOME banks make it too easy for people to lie and claim they did not get their meds, and steal the money from the pharmacy. This is why a lot of pharmacies merchant banks now blacklist all credit cards issued by these banks that make it so easy.
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Jeremiah
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Boo
Just do a charge back and be done with it. You shouldn't have to jump through hoops.
LindaTexas,I agree,some do abuse the cc charge back,other times after exhausting all feasible efforts,it's the only option left.Unless of course,one is rich and can afford to give one's money away.
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Acid
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They called you because they had your number and refill info, but needed the CC number.
Once you gave them the CC number, all was lost - they can charge all they want, and they don't have to call you again.
That was the mistake.
It's been written in 1000 different places, but we should all remember to NEVER give CC info to someone who CALLS YOU - only if YOU called THEM and know that the number is in fact the number of a reputable company.
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cloudy
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You may want to go back and read Boo's story from the start. She was taken by those scam artists that bought some database of names and have been "cold calling" people and notifying them that their refills are available. They have been taking advantage of many people. Boo was just out of surgery and thought it was her regular OP calling. She has been dealing with this for awhile now. These people havent sent her or anyone else anything. They just get the CC info, charge the card and move on to the next victim.
I know you probably just read the last reply, and you were very condescending in your response. She has been more than patient with these scammers. She should have reported them on the first day!!!
As far as many of the paysystems stopping processing for pharmacies?... it's because most of them were scams!!! The consumer didnt cause this. The phony scamming pharmacies did!
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Your credit card should have an 800 # to go with the charge, but if you just do a chargeback you should be fine.
Credit Card companies make it easy for you the consumer to dispute a charge.
Best of luck
Doing a chargeback is everything but FINE.
Calling the number on the statement is also not the right way to go.
Too many people in the USA go this way (in other countries they still have brains left) and there is nothing worse you can do if you still like to order cheaper medications in the future.
Contact the pharmacy where you ordered! They can solve your problem, send a replacement or refund your money.
Contact them politely, you do not need send blackmail and threats to contact the DEA and FDA and all gov agencies you ever heard the name of, just to get an answer.
Why do things happen like what happened to Paysytems (closing all pharmacies accounts) and why does PayPal not allow pharmacy business?
Because people dispute charges! People dispute charges because they don't remember that they ordered, or they don't remember where they ordered, or they did not read under what name that charge will show on their statement.
People also dispute charges if they want to get something for free.
This risk causes banks to keep up to 20% of the total sale value from a pharmacies money. This is why prices are so high. This is why some pharmacies can not take credit cards at all.
If you value the option to use credit cards to pay for your meds, avoid to resolve a matter by disputing a charge.
You would also be blacklisted by that pharmacy and many other pharmacies if you dispute a charge, no pharmacy wants to risk their business.
SOME banks make it too easy for people to lie and claim they did not get their meds, and steal the money from the pharmacy. This is why a lot of pharmacies merchant banks now blacklist all credit cards issued by these banks that make it so easy.
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mizzzj
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Yes! chargeback is the way to go. Of course a person does everything they can beforehand, but if in the end, one must play hardball, then do! Don't encourage somebody to get scr3D!
I agree with Cloudy. Read the entire thread pleaz!
MizzzJ
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Jeremiah
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It's been written in 1000 different places, but we should all remember to NEVER give CC info to someone who CALLS YOU - only if YOU called THEM and know that the number is in fact the number of a reputable company.
Good Advice,Acid. As always,we must be cautious with our cc's.
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