Eeyore27
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Has anyone else ever experienced excruciating stomach pain after taking Roche 10mg Valiums? At least 3 times in the past week, I've woken up in the morning with the worst stomach pain I think I've ever had in my life!! I even took them with food and everything, I have no idea what's up.
Feedback, anyone?
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I have never gotten that from valium,butt it seams like everytime i take xanax at night before i go to bed i wake up with stomach cramps.
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See now, for me, it's the reverse. Xanax gives me no problems. But the Valiums I got came by mistake. I took up on that "free meds" deal from the indianmeds4u guy and he sent Valim instead of the Xanax I requested. I've taken Valium before, but the U.S. manufactured Roche brand, with the V-cut design. These look different, I guess because they're from another country, and I've read posts on here about different labs mixing different compounds or "binders" in their meds, so I'm thinking this is what's going on.
Don't get me wrong, they work, but the stomach cramps are awful! Someone else said that they contacted the guy after they got sent the wrong meds and I think I'm going to do the same. Only thing is, there's a few of them missing now, and I'm not sure if he'll do an exchange with me or not. Oh well, I guess it coudln't hurt to ask, right?
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I think i got you xanax's because i requested valiums 10mg from indianmeds4u and got Xanax...so gimme my meds back...lol j/k ...i e-mailed him about it and he told me i could send the wrong meds back to the addy on the envolpe and he will go ahead and send the right med out to me....i have never taken V's before and i am hoping they will help with my pain so i can cut back on some of the pain meds...sounds crazy to go from one med to another but i dont think i will be taking the V's on a daily basis just as needed when the pain is very bad
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LOL, I think you're right, we did get mixed up there somewhere. In his favor, though, he did ask me to give him 2 examples of meds I would like to receive, but I told him that I preferred Xanax. Like I said, it was no big deal, and at this point, I've already taken a few of them.
My boyfriend was cracking jokes at me saying that the pills were probably poisoned with Anthrax because they came from the Middle East, but I think that's a bit far-fetched. I'm just thinking that whatever the inactive ingredients they use to bind the pills with don't agree with me for some reason. Could be as simple as that, or maybe it's completely unrelated. I was just wondering if anyone else experienced anything similar to my reaction.
As far as the V's helping for pain, I can tell you that you'll probably be too knocked out to feel the pain, since they are pretty strong and other than my weird stomach problems, they seem to be pretty good quality, as well
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Over the years i've been on an alphabet-soup of benzos and can't say that i've ever noticed any of them causing stomach or gastric problems. I've taken them and had stomach trouble, but usually it was because of something I ate, like too much dairy, rather than the benzo. I hate to think about it, but over the years I've been prescribed alprazolam, bromazepam, clonazepam, diazepam, flunitrazepam, lorazepam, midazolam, nitrazepam, oxazepam, temazepam, and triazolam not at the same time but over a 15+ year period and must say that of all the varying side effects, i've not noticed the one you describe. But then, I have a very weird body chemistry and it could just be me..
Maybe you should take a tagmet or something similar to settle your stomach around the same time that you take your meds. Be aware that some of these stomach-remedies boost certain drug potencies while doing the opposite to others. In the case of xanax or valium I believe that it acts as a bit of a potentiator. Anyway, enough Sat. morning rambling from me. What am I doing up & online this early (well.... 9:15 am) on a day off?? Oh yeah, checking db.com to see if I can find anyone who has ordered & received recently from some of the same places i've recently used. Going crazy waiting for my anti-crazy meds!
L - seriously considering closing the blinds and jumping back into bed, putting some Pink Floyd on the CD player and falling back asleep to Wish You Were Here. The house is empty but for me and my big chocolate lab and he has no complaints about taking a nap! 
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You know what's funny? My sister (the Nurse), suggested I do the same thing, take a Tagamet with them to settle my stomach down. But the stomach problems seemed to have worked their way out, as I haven't had any pain since the first 3 times I took them. So maybe it was something I ate that was screwing up my stomach, who knows?
I'm right there with you on the Pink Floyd, only I'd put on "Dark Side Of The Moon", b/c it's my favorite and it always seems to settle me down when I'm climbing the walls...lol.
Thanks for the suggestion!! 
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The only time I experience gastric problems with benzos is when I'm tapering to a lower dose, which I try and do every few months so I don't acquire too high a tolerance. Tapering is hard on the body in every way, but my tumnmy takes the brunt of it. When I'm back on benzos, my stomach settles down again.
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Now that you mention it.... I do now recall having a bit of stomach-rumbling and general malaise in that area when i'm tapering down my benzo dose. It's so stinking hard (no pun was intended but.. ) to keep the benzo tolerance under control without the occasional taper. I have 2 pending orders and if they don't show up sometime pretty soon i'm going to be having one of those mandatory tapers yet again... I really do hate depending on IOPs sometimes! I could really go off on a rant here but i'll leave it at BLEH to the med delivery system that we suffer under...
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Could be just that. My body might be so used to Xanax that at this point, that I just needed to adjust to the Valium until I worked out the Xanax withdrawal. I hadn't even thought of that!!
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Now that you mention it.... I do now recall having a bit of stomach-rumbling and general malaise in that area when i'm tapering down my benzo dose. It's so stinking hard (no pun was intended but.. ) to keep the benzo tolerance under control without the occasional taper. I have 2 pending orders and if they don't show up sometime pretty soon i'm going to be having one of those mandatory tapers yet again... I really do hate depending on IOPs sometimes! I could really go off on a rant here but i'll leave it at BLEH to the med delivery system that we suffer under...
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Just be careful with w/d from benzo's. Im sure you have heard it a zillion times, but wd from opiates isnt life threatening for most people. Benzo wds, on the other hand can be life threatening. Seizures and such are nothing to fool around with. You cant take a "benzo holiday" as easily as a "hydro holiday". Just be careful when stopping benzos.. 
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Thanks for the warning but (un)fortunately i've been taking benzos on and off for about 15 years or more so i've lived thru the good, the bad, and the ugly when it comes to these things. For years i've always made a point to keep a taper supply on hand and to make sure that if I haven't received any orders by a certain point, I reach into my taper supply and start the slowdown, slowly. I've gone thru full-blown xanax w/d, valium w/d, and even ativan w/d before the internet came along and I was able to find the info that told me why my world seemed to always fall apart a few days after quitting benzos. D'oh! I was very lucky though, as I never had any major physically dangerous effects as have many folk I have known who quit benzos cold-turkey. I know I would go in to a *full blown freakout* if I found myself with anything more than about .5 mg klonipin/xanax daily habit, or 5 mg valium for that matter, if I didn't have a taper supply. I've had to cold-turkey from opiates a few times and while those were some of the ugliest trips down the river I've taken i'd still choose an 80 mg/day oxycodone cold turkey than a 2mg/day xanax cold turkey!
Thanks for the kind words.... fortunately I have many resources and do expect at least 1 of my 2 pending orders to make it any day now. Unfortunately these things take time...
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I hear ya, Listover. Before my doctor first prescribed Xanax for me, I heard all the warnings about how addictive it can be and the side effects I could experience if I stopped taking it suddenly. Back then, .05 was more than enough to keep my anxiety under control, as a matter of fact, I was halfing them. More so than that, I wasn't taking it every day, just when I felt an attack coming on, but after a while it seemed as if knowing that I was running out of them would cause me to feel an attack coming on. I grew a tolerance to it pretty quickly, and soon, .05 wasn't enough to keep me from feeling anxious in between doses.
Not to mention, I was reluctant to take it at all at first because I've known many people in my lifetime that have used that drug to "party" and I didn't want to be labeled a "pill popper." I didn't even tell my family or friends right away when I first started taking it. That's why I regretted ever taking it to begin with when my doctor suddenly cut me off and decided to play "try this instead" with me. I did confide to her that I felt embarrassed that I had to take Xanax for my anxiety at one point, so that may have lead her to encourage me to try the AD drugs she started prescribing to me after that. I do know one thing, though, Paxil, Zoloft, Lexapro, Wellbutrin and all of the other Antidepressants might work for some people, but they definitely did not work for me.
Like you, I discovered IOP's and basically do the same thing you do. I keep an "emergency" supply stashed away in case I run out between refills, because I never want to go through the hell of WD again. Tapering is the only way to keep yourself in check with benzo's and I learned that the hard way. I'm happy to say that I'm now down to only 1 mg a day instead of the 2 mgs that I was taking a few months ago, and I split the dose up instead of taking it whole. I've gotten myself to a point where I feel like I have my anxiety under control and not be tempted to "over medicate" myself when I'm under a lot of stress. It seems as if a lot of us are in the same boat here with benzo's, and it's nice to be able to talk openly about it with people who aren't critical about some of the unorthodox methods we might have to resort to in order to get the medications that we know work for us. So, thank all of you for being so honest about your experiences, it's been a great help to me to feel as if I have some kind of support system, even if it is with a bunch of people I don't know IRL. I'm so glad that I came to the DB board!!
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Over the years i've been on an alphabet-soup of benzos and can't say that i've ever noticed any of them causing stomach or gastric problems. I've taken them and had stomach trouble, but usually it was because of something I ate, like too much dairy, rather than the benzo. I hate to think about it, but over the years I've been prescribed alprazolam, bromazepam, clonazepam, diazepam, flunitrazepam, lorazepam, midazolam, nitrazepam, oxazepam, temazepam, and triazolam not at the same time but over a 15+ year period and must say that of all the varying side effects, i've not noticed the one you describe. But then, I have a very weird body chemistry and it could just be me..
Maybe you should take a tagmet or something similar to settle your stomach around the same time that you take your meds. Be aware that some of these stomach-remedies boost certain drug potencies while doing the opposite to others. In the case of xanax or valium I believe that it acts as a bit of a potentiator. Anyway, enough Sat. morning rambling from me. What am I doing up & online this early (well.... 9:15 am) on a day off?? Oh yeah, checking db.com to see if I can find anyone who has ordered & received recently from some of the same places i've recently used. Going crazy waiting for my anti-crazy meds!
L - seriously considering closing the blinds and jumping back into bed, putting some Pink Floyd on the CD player and falling back asleep to Wish You Were Here. The house is empty but for me and my big chocolate lab and he has no complaints about taking a nap!
You and I have almost the same med history, and I once ordered Xanax from ONLNSOL4U, waaaay back in the early days, and I received a brand called 'Anxicare' which caused hideous stomach cramps, to the point that I threw them away after taking three doses ( I thought the first two times were some kind of fluke?)so I know it DOES happen. I wonder if it's something in the binding that some of the Indian manufacturers use? Anyway, Raj must have had A LOT of complaints, because he quickly started stocking Alprax instead.
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You and I have almost the same med history, and I once ordered Xanax from ONLNSOL4U, waaaay back in the early days, and I received a brand called 'Anxicare' which caused hideous stomach cramps, to the point that I threw them away after taking three doses ( I thought the first two times were some kind of fluke?)so I know it DOES happen. I wonder if it's something in the binding that some of the Indian manufacturers use? Anyway, Raj must have had A LOT of complaints, because he quickly started stocking Alprax instead.
Well, like I said, since then, the stomach problems have eased up, and I'm not really sure if it was just a result of my body adjusting to a different benzo other than Xanax.
A friend of mine who ordered the same brand from the same guy said that she didn't experience any stomach pain, but oddly enough, developed some sort of "hiccup" problem in the last couple of days. Weird how all of out bodies react to these meds and their compounds, huh?
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Ok, that's another one you mention that I can relate to. If i've not taken xanax for a long time, when I first start I get fits of hiccups that won't go away, and other than those times I have hiccups extremely rarely. I mean, probably not but once every couple years. But gimmie a xanax after a long abstinence and *hiccup*. I have noticed that it's a lot less common these days than when I was much younger and new to these meds.. I guess YMMV as 'they' say. Somtimes I hate "them" 
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I find that to be pretty interesting. I actually witnessed her hiccupping the other night and I couldn't stop laughing at her. Not that I thought it was that funny, just that I had never seen anyone with such a bad case of the hiccups, and when she told me it was a side-effect from taking the Valium, I nearly burst into tears laughing. It just sounded like such an odd side-effect to me!
Although I've never had the "hiccup" side-effect from taking benzo's, for some reason I get a wicked case of them after drinking a few Miller Light's. Not all beer, just that one. My boyfriend says it's all in my head, but I'll be darned if I don't get them every time I drink that brand.
Once again, going off topic...sorry bout that!!
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I can't share any experiences about the effects of different Benzo's since I have only taken Klonopin with no noticeable side effects. I have taken this med daily for almost ten years (Dr. prescribed), but I am concerned about being "cut off" some day like Eeyore was. No, I don't think my current Dr. would do this, but he won't be around forever. I fear I will someday end up with a new Dr. that will, out of ignorance, try to switch me to an AD or something instead. So, I wan't to do a premptive taper/withdrawal.
I have never attempted to taper from this drug so I am trying to get as much info on that subject before I attempt a taper.
Sorry for the off topic rambling, but it is nice to be able to talk with people who are in the same "boat".
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NEVER abrobtly stop taking Klonazepam or other Benzos. You' ve got to taper down SLOWLY. It doesn't take days it takes weeks to months or even jears to come down. Try cobination of valerian/Vine/melissa and jt. Johns herb,or kava-kava (also available in some internet-pharmacies) if you don't feel good while tapering down. With the help of nature it should be possible to taper down without big side effects if you've got enough time.
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Try cobination of valerian/Vine/melissa and jt. Johns herb,or kava-kava (also available in some internet-pharmacies) if you don't feel good while tapering down. With the help of nature it should be possible to taper down without big side effects if you've got enough time.
I actually tried tapering down with St. John's Wort & Valerian root supplements that I got a GNC, and they had little to no effect for me with tapering. Might sound crazy, but I actually used Benadryl, and that worked better for me with tapering. I don't know if that's exactly a safe method of tapering, but heck, when you're in dire straits, you'll do just about anything.
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We must think alike..
Add me to the list of folk who, during benzo w/d, tried every darn OTC & herbal remedy available, including ordering the bogus Rescue Remedy (a shot of Jack Daniels would have been just as good considering how much alcohol it had in it) and one of the best things I found for a tiny bit of relief was antihistamines & melatonin. I got the generic instead of Benadryl because it was the same indredients at 70% cheaper, but I can confirm that at least for me the stuff helped ease the shakiness and the total inability to sleep. It's definitely something to keep on hand if you're detoxing...
L - I had zero luck with herbal remedies too, but I was on a limited budget so I couldn't splurge on those $40+ 'remedies' just to see if they worked at all.
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So true...herbal supplements cost almost as much as prescriptions these days...screw the taper, just get the real stuff...j/k.
I tried Melatonin, too, and it worked pretty well, but I had the weirdest dreams while I was taking that. I'm talking dreams within dreams within dreams craziness. Just when I would "wake up" and say "Thank God that was only a dream!!" I'd go right back into it and wonder if I was ever really going to wake up agian. Just stay in permanant dream world, which wouldn't be such a bad idea if say, Brad Pitt was in it...LOL.
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