therhino
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Hi, I know someone who had a 60-80mg hydro problem for about a year, then they cut it down to 40 now for about 2 weeks and are going to 20 in a couple of days. any idea's for a average time to taper to 0 from 40. or even 20 to 0.
also I saw that there is time release codeine, could this help with the hydro taper, are they close enought to help the withdrawls. Figured time release would give a better spread then the half life of the hydro?
thanks in advance for all your support and info. Once you get into this whirlpool only the strongest survive and I am trying to give as much support and I can. But I don't want to give bogus advise.
P.S. they seem to have mental ups and downs during this taper, is this common? I have read that the mental aspect could be even worse then the physical, especially once they get the dosage to a low level, like when going from 20 to 0. and if so then they need to prepare for that and if it's plain that it's just part of hte withdrawl process, I think then they could be stronger knowing it will pass.....
also how about once they hit 0. what happens then, when are you over the daily shitless feelings and the body comes back to semi normal.
I know it's a lot to ask but desperate times need good intelegence and this person IS commited to rid their life from this obsession and I am proud to help them.
regards
therhino
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srw
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i dont think codiene is same class of drug, i know tramadol is, i use it when hydro is low, seems to help, good luck
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timberland
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Codeine and hydrocodone are almost identical in molecular structure. Potency is of course different, but they can substitute just fine. Codeine has more side effects for most people, so you may find it isn't to your liking when you're already dealing with withdrawal uglies.
Tramadol is actually completely unrelated, and is a weak opioid agonist. But it has a lot of effects on other pathways in the brain that opioids affect, and a lot of people use it for tapering.
A good rule of thumb, taken from the common experiences of a bunch of folks on another board, is that tapering is best tolerated when you drop 10mg a week. Maybe that last bit could be extended - for instance, 3 weeks to go from 20 to 0.
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viper269
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If I don’t have my Hydro to take for the pain I can take Codeine
Doesn’t work as good as the hydro for my pain but I don’t have
Withdrawals but if you keep taking the Codeine you will have to go thou the
Withdrawals with them
I have never heard of the Codeine time release my self but would like to
Good luck
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timberland
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Perduretas are 50mg, time-released.
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g13tomcat
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not to be obtuse or intrusive, but is this person perhaps you? after all.. you are here, not him/her. IF in fact this is so, PM me and i can and will help if you let ..
with love, TOMCAT..BEENTHERE.~
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timberland
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I imagine tapering from 20 to 0 may not be such a good idea, come to think of it. It's too drawn out and would likely extend the misery longer than it would be if your friend quit altogether at this point. Cold turkey after a 20mg a day regimen shouldn't be that bad. Tell your friend to expect 5 days of crappy physical effects, with the worst at day 3. Afterwards, expect 2 weeks to 2 months of mental depression and mood swings. This timeline is taken from the massive number of people who quit and posted on the "withdrawing..." thread over at Best if kept off the board.com.
Buspar and Wellbutrin are supposed to help with the mental aspects of it. There are OTC medicines you can take for the physical aspects of it, too. Check posts by BarFly on the above board for more info on that. There're bunches of options available!
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timberland
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For some reason I got censored there - are we not allowed to mention other boards? PM me if you want more info. And Administrators, too, if you don't mind, because I'd like to know why we can't have free speech over here.
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yawkaw3
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Since this has only been going on a year and I'm assuming it's the guy's first opioid habit, the withdrawal isn't going to be that bad.
It is certainly cold-turkeyable if he is that sort of person, but the problem with cold turkey is not putting up with the withdrawal- it's staying off it long-term.
Tapers of longer-acting drugs (methadone, buprenorphine, possibly perduretas but I'm not sure that's the best idea) are a bit more effective than tapers with short-acting drugs.
The variables are why this guy was taking it and does he really want to quit. If his pain suddenly disappeared and he's gung-ho on quitting, cold-turkey won't be that bad.
-yawkaw
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peteg72
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Timberland, Are those perduretas comparable to norco?
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timberland
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Hey Pete,
2-3 crushed-up Perduretas are equivalent to 1 Norco for my friend. Taking them whole isn't much different, I don't think, since I hear that the time-release mechanism isn't very good and you get a lot of it at once anyway. At any rate, you'll need more than one at a time.
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lovely11
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Not to be obtuse or obtrusive......but why does it matter whether it's him/her or his/her friend. The point is someone needs help and they're asking a question. Why does it matter to you? Why are you so presumptuous and accusing in your question?
You don't have to answer any of my questions. I'm just curious.
I don't mean to be nasty either. Sometimes I take things the wrong way. Sometimes I'm defensive. I don't even have a dog in this hunt but I've been dealing with "family" this weekend who use old tactics like guilt trips and score keeping to try and get me to do them a favor. Maybe I'm taking that frustration out on this poster. But what was posted does come across to me as snotty and accusatory.
Edited by lovely11 (08/08/04 08:26 AM)
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hope46
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I'm lost here....I can't seem to follow this thread...Hope
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hope46
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Nevermind, I found it! Just had to read several posts back to catch up!! I agree l Love! Anyone should be able to ask a question and it seemed snooty to me too!--Hope 
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therhino
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thanks to everyone for your help and support! to see many people with similar expierences and advise makes you feel that you are not alone.... and it is tough to be alone and trying to be strong.
kindest wishes
therhino
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lovely11
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You are welcome my friend. I'd be willing to answer any question you may have! And you won't be judged.....at least not by me.
There for grace goes me, myself and I.
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IMSUSCOT1
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ACTUALLY, Tramadol is a synthetic non opiod, it binds to the MU receptors sites....I would think you'd have better luck tapering with codine based products, at least your still getting some opiates. Good luck and take it easy, you didnt get there in one day and you dont' have to get off in one day, know what I mean?
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