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sunflower29
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Tramadol vs Codeine?
      #177925 - 08/04/04 03:58 PM

I'm wondering which is a better pain reliever as far as having the least side effects. I read that codeine can impair mental functioning, causing cognitive slowing. Has anyone found this to be true? And are there painkillers out there that don't have the cognitive side effects, or is that just the nature of the beast? Is tramadol better than codeine for side effects, like (ugh) constipation?

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Re: Tramadol vs Codeine? [Re: sunflower29]
      #177926 - 08/04/04 04:00 PM

I would also be interested in Hydro vs codeine.

say a 10/325 to 100mg codeine... are they close.

thanks


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Re: Tramadol vs Codeine? [Re: sunflower29]
      #178002 - 08/04/04 09:51 PM

10mg of hydro is superior to 100mg of codeine imo.

tramadol tends to cause less constipation than codeine and in general less side-effects but people react very differently to tramadol so you have to try it out first. for some its a great painkiller while for others it does nearly nothing, it really depends on your individual body chemistry. however tramadol is definitely worth trying because you may find it to be quite superior to codeine (and cheaper!). good luck!


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Re: Tramadol vs Codeine? [Re: efffbeee]
      #178055 - 08/05/04 07:05 AM

I agree, plus you will have a much easier time getting the tramadol as it is not as controlled. If it even is controlled. pete.

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Re: Tramadol vs Codeine? [Re: therhino]
      #178057 - 08/05/04 07:31 AM

Quote:

I would also be interested in Hydro vs codeine.

say a 10/325 to 100mg codeine... are they close.

thanks




I have a bit of a weird tolerance issue with codeine (as does about 10% of the population IIRC) so for me, 100 mg of codeine or even the ceiling-dose of about 400mg codeine wouldn't come near covering the pain that just 1 or 2 10/325s would. I would look at codeine as a little .22 calibur rifle and hydrocodone more like a .32 cal or even a .38 cal. Not the biggest gun in the cabinet for sure but still has quite a bit of stopping power. Now I wonder how many folk get that particular analogy... You're dealing with a country-raised southerner here who grew up using guns responsibily..

I guess the simple answer to your question is that the 10/325 is stronger than codeine by at least 1 order of magnitude, probably more. Or for one more silly layman's analogy, if the 2 meds in question were trucks, the 10/325 would be a big dump-truck and the 100mg codeine would be the Tonka toy version.

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Re: Tramadol vs Codeine? [Re: sunflower29]
      #178123 - 08/05/04 02:15 PM

this is a no brainer. tramadol kills pain a lot more than codeine does. it does for me, and in fact i know someone online who just switched from tylonal 3 to tramadol for a broken bone. she also said it killed pain more than codeine

i highly recommend a taper with a quater pill (12.5 mg) being the last step when you discontinue tramadol.


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Re: Tramadol vs Codeine? [Re: tone]
      #178131 - 08/05/04 02:43 PM

is it me or when you are use to a narcotic pain reliver any thing eles seems not to compare??

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Re: Tramadol vs Codeine? [Re: johng]
      #178133 - 08/05/04 02:46 PM

and is it me or is tramadol a non narcotic. I was just trying to look that up...

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Re: Tramadol vs Codeine? [Re: therhino]
      #178146 - 08/05/04 03:33 PM

Tramadol is listed under "morphine salts - opioid analgesics" which makes it a narcotic, no?

As such, side effects are same as codeine, plus occassionally reported: hypertension, anaphylaxis, hallucinations and confusion

Also codeine is indicated for mild-mod pain and Tramadol is for mod-severe pain

100mg of Tramadol plus 10mg DHC - no pain for 24 hours in my experience !

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Re: Tramadol vs Codeine? [Re: morphdreams]
      #178147 - 08/05/04 03:53 PM

found this infoM

bottom line is Tramadol a synthetic opiate, I am lost.....


?Tramadol (Ultram) is unscheduled in the United States, but is available by prescription only. This means that sales and distribution are allowed only by those with a license and only to those with a prescription (according to FDA regulations). Possession is not illegal even without a prescription.


Here's some interesting info from Medscape that explains how it is Ultram can cause withdrawal symptoms in some who take it.

Tramadol hydrochloride is a synthetic, centrally active analgesic. The drug (and it's active M1 metabolite) acts as an opiate agonist, aparently by selective activity at the u-receptor. In addition to opiate agonist activity, tramadol inhibits reuptake of certain monoamines (norepinephrine, seratonin), which appears to contribute to the drug's analgesic effect. Although the relative contribution of tramadol vs. it's M1 metabolite to analgesia in humans is unknown, the metabolite is 6 times more potent than the parent drug in producing analgesia in animal models and 200 times more potent in u-receptor binding. The antinociceptic effect of tramadol is antagonized only partially by naloxone in some tests in animals and healthy individuals.


Although the pharmacologic effects of tramadol result in part from agonist activity at opiate receptors, the drug is not an opiumderivative, nor a semisynthetic derivative of morphine or thebane. However, because tramadol is an agonist of true opiate receptors, not opiate-like (i.e., opi-oid) receptors, the drug is classified as an opiate agonist in the AHFS Pharmacologic-Therapeutic Classification.


OK, I didn't understand everything there, but I did understand that to essentially say that Ultram works in/on the same part of your brain as opiates do, so your brain could think you are actually taking opiates, even if you're not, hence the withdrawal symptoms for some when they stop Ultram after using it for some time. Hope this helps to explain/clarify to someone/anyone.


DRUG CLASS AND MECHANISM: Tramadol is an effective pain reliever (analgesic). Its mode of action resembles that of narcotics, but it has significantly less potential for abuse and addiction than the narcotics. Tramadol is as effective as narcotics in relieving pain but does not depress respiration, a side effect of most narcotics. Tramadol is not a nonsteroidal antiinflammatory drug (NSAID), and does not have the increased risk of stomach ulceration and internal bleeding that can occur with the use of NSAIDs.

Narcotic analgesics of any kind, like Darvon (propoxyphene), Darvocet (propoxyphene, acetaminophen), Demerol (meperidine), Codeine, Percocet (oxycodone, acetaminophen), Vicodin (hydrocodone, acetaminophen), Vicoprofen (hydrocodone and ibuprofen) or OxyContin (oxycodone) should probably not be mixed with tramadol, as this would increase the risk of oversedation. If your doctor has suggested a rotating schedule for managing your pain with more than one analgesic, arrange your dosage schedule so that these medications are taken no closer together than 4-6 hours.

Benzodiazepines (a class of antidepressants, anti-panic agents, sleep medications, and muscle relaxants) such as Valium (diazepam), Halcion (triazolam), Restoril (temazepam), Librium (chlordiazepoxide), Tranxene-SD (clorazepate), Klonopin (clonazepam), Paxipam (halazepam), Ativan (lorazepam), ProSom (estazolam), or Xanax (alprazolam) can result in oversedation in combination with Ultram. Some of these drugs may also lower the seizure threshold, especially with abrupt withdrawal. If you must use these medications together, speak to your doctor about the safety of your treatment.


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Re: Tramadol vs Codeine? [Re: therhino]
      #178156 - 08/05/04 04:36 PM

Thanks therhino for the spiel.

As I am an ex-pat Brit, I was quoting my info from the BNF (British national formulary, same as US PDR), and Tramadol comes under the heading of "morphine salts - opiod analgesics" , but I shan't argue with the info you posted as I'm not a doc, just quoting the British Medical Association blurb

Quote:

Narcotic analgesics of any kind....should probably not be mixed with tramadol, as this would increase the risk of oversedation




Of course, and quite right, my mention of Tramadol + DHC was a personal opinion and is not recommended - just happens to help me

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Re: Tramadol vs Codeine? [Re: johng]
      #178198 - 08/05/04 08:10 PM

Narcotic!? i donno what that means. thats like a descriptive adjective meaning sleep or stupor inducing. benedryl is a narcotic.

but if your asking if its an opioid, why yes it is. even causes my nose to itch, my bowels to slow and everything if i take more than my regular dose. Its very much like an opioid that does not have a hard fast kick, but is more steady and longer. i guess since it doesnt have a hard kick of euphoria, people are less likely to abuse it. some people feel its opioid-like properties much stronger than other people do. its metabolite is the one that is almost completely responsible for having opioid like properties. you can read its monograph at: http://opioids.com/tramadol/prescribe.html


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Re: Tramadol vs Codeine? [Re: tone]
      #178431 - 08/07/04 12:56 AM

Tramadol is much easier, and cheaper to obtain if you are self medicating. I'd give it a try and see if it works as well for you. I've heard some say that they prefer tramadol over hydro so it must be pretty good for pain relief. I hear that the withdrawal from Tramadol can be hard though, even worse than hydro withdrawal.

Good luck to you.


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Re: Tramadol vs Codeine? [Re: JeanneLynn]
      #178652 - 08/08/04 12:05 AM

Thats right, tramadol withdrawl is hardcore

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Re: Tramadol vs Codeine? [Re: efffbeee]
      #178653 - 08/08/04 12:28 AM

For equivalent doses, tramadol causes less constipation than codeine. However, tramadol can cause seizures in some, apparently without warning. Codeine does not cause seizures. Constipation doesn't kill anyone. Having a seizure while driving, etc., can be fatal. Some people get no relief from codeine and tramadol, while others are happy with one or both of them.

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