jimbah34
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Is there anywhere in the world where this is still available in medical form? I have read about do-it-yourself home made recipes, kits you can order and mix yourself and liquid GBL kits but this is all far too risky to consider.
So, is there anywhere I can get it in 'legitimate' form?
Many thanks
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oldnavy170
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Um, what is GHB and what is it used for. Sorry, I am curious about what your talking about.
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oldandwise
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Great info here http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb.shtml
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cleo911
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Um...no. There is no legitimate GHB source. There is the prescription form called Xyrem, but it's use is limited and prescribing requirements quite stringent.
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flippie
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Some quick useful info on Xyrem, from the least reliable source of drug information on the planet:
http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/infopage/xyrem/default.htm
A friend of mine bought a 55 gallon barrel of GBL about a year before the controversy started. He's one of those "get it while you can and figure out what to do with it later" types of people, and this was during the IT boom in the late 90s and everyone had too much money anyway.
It is disgusting how quickly they demonized such a useful drug, and entertaining that every cell in our body is now illegal, in a sense.
As Terrance McKenna put it, "The idea of an illegal plant is both offensive and ludicrous". Since there is GHB naturally occuring in our bodies, the quote sorta applies. (i realize its off-topic, but if you would be so kind, pause just for a second and realize that our government has told this plant, this form of life "you are not allowed to exist, you are illegal" and how funny it is that we have decided that we know better than God)
There are numerous ways to answer your question, but I think it is best to do without a direct URL since we are flirting with real laws in this thread. The answer to your question though is "how clean is your circuit board?"
Think about it.
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radiometer
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Would you argue the same for DMT? Just curious, as it is also an endogenous substance to humans, but, unlike GHB, not considered to be of any medical value.
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flippie
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I wouldn't argue either, really, I just thought it was amusing is all.
For anyone who didn't know this, DMT does occur naturally in the brain, more so in schizophrenics. There are years worth of jokes about "smoking Manson's brain" when he dies, but personally I think Reagan's would do more for a person DMT-wise.
I wouldn't want to be the lawyer who had to argue to a jury that possessing a 55 gallon drum of what is now a closely-watched precursor for a psychedelic drug is the same as being born with a tiny amount of it in our cells, but it is entertaining that we are all illegal drug factories walking around producing all sorts of amides and tryptamines that would get us arrested, if we possessed them externally, say in a vial in our pocket, rather than in an organic organ.
The control our society feels that it needs is what is both sad and funny, and the result are these sorts of laws which essentially ban a form of life (pot I'm talking about in this case, of course). For some reason, McKenna found that to be particularly entertaining, and I agree with him - it is.
This is such a wacky and fun planet full of wacky fun people - I think I'll stay another few decades to see how it all turns out. Unless I end up overdosing on the oxycontin my armpit occasionally generates, or suffocating on one of those nitrous oxide farts...
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cleo911
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Would you argue the same for DMT? not considered to be of any medical value.
Depends who you ask. It certainly has no 'medical value' as deemed by the powers that be.
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flippie
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Yep it did occur to me to argue the lack of medical value in DMT, but it struck me as just a little too far out of context with the conversation (like I'm one to talk about digression).
Tryptamines are the amino building blocks of lots of neurological chemicals, so who can say what new information about their medical value will come to light tomorrow.
But it is Schedule I, along with a lot of things that clearly DO have medical value, so methinks there is a lot more than science at play in the healthcare game.
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jimbah34
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Many thanks to flippie, the guy who PM'd me and anyone else who answered.
The thing about making it up yourself, you have no way of knowing that the ingredients are what they are and no more. Just a couple of days ago I read how someone's friend has died after taking a very simple and popular concuction. You buy these two everyday products which can be purchased from i.e. a chemist or DIY store. Each claim to be contain only the respective single ingredient of GHB (without mentioning the 2 ingredient names -- ok, one of them is GBL  ). So logically it was safe. But this guy died. Now there are rumours that one of the products has an extra ingredient not mentioned on the packaging which can be lethal in small doses.
Some may be willing to take the risk but it is far too messy for me. This 'Xyrem' stuff sounds like a much more promising alternative.
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radiometer
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Would you argue the same for DMT? not considered to be of any medical value.
Depends who you ask. It certainly has no 'medical value' as deemed by the powers that be.
Sorry, I think I was feeling pedantic yesterday, I wasn't really trying to argue with anyone. I also feel it has potential medical value. The point I was trying to make was that a similar thread on DMT would probably be deleted pretty quickly. Sometimes my questions here are put to help me better understand the culture and/or do's and dont's of this board =)
Edited by radiometer (07/16/04 04:28 PM)
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iceit1
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if you are not in the US or canada...
www.bravo-trading.com/Inkcleaner.htm
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cleo911
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That's 1,4 butanediol, which is rather toxic and not all that similar to GHB. I wouldn't recommend anyone take this stuff.
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radiometer
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That's 1,4 butanediol, which is rather toxic and not all that similar to GHB. I wouldn't recommend anyone take this stuff.
I second that.
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who_am_i
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Make friends and you will find anything you are looking for. I'm sure everyone agrees.
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