Melody
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Buprenorphine, a derivative of thebaine, is an opioid that has been marketed in the United States as the Schedule V parenteral analgesic Buprenex®. In 2002, based on a reevaluation of available evidence regarding the potential for abuse, diversion, addiction, and side effects, the DEA reclassified buprenorphine from a Schedule V to a Schedule III narcotic.
In October 2002, Reckitt Benckiser received FDA approval to market a buprenorphine monotherapy product, Subutex®, and a buprenorphine/naloxone combination product, Suboxone®, for use in opioid addiction treatment. The combination product is designed to decrease the potential for abuse by injection. Subutex® and Suboxone® are currently the only Schedule III, IV, or V medications to have received FDA approval for this indication. In January 2003, Reckitt Benckiser began shipments of Suboxone® to pharmacies in the United States.
The FDA approval of these buprenorphine formulations does not affect the status of other medication-assisted opioid addiction treatments, such as methadone and LAAM (levo-alpha-acetyl-methadol). As indicated in Title 42 Code of Federal Regulations Part 8 (42 CFR Part 8), these treatments can only be dispensed, and only in the context of an Opioid Treatment Program. Also, neither the approval of Subutex® and Suboxone®, nor the provisions of DATA 2000, affect the use of other Schedule III, IV, or V medications, such as codeine, that are not approved for the treatment of addiction. Lastly, note that aside from Subutex® and Suboxone®, other forms of buprenorphine, e.g., Buprenex®, are not approved for treatment of opioid addiction.
Buprenorphine is an opioid partial agonist. This means that, although buprenorphine is an opioid, and thus can produce typical opioid agonist effects and side effects such as euphoria and respiratory depression, its maximal effects are less than those of full agonists like heroin and methadone. At low doses buprenorphine produces sufficient agonist effect to enable opioid-addicted individuals to discontinue the misuse of opioids without experiencing withdrawal symptoms. The agonist effects of buprenorphine increase linearly with increasing doses of the drug until at moderate doses they reach a plateau and no longer continue to increase with further increases in dose-the "ceiling effect." Thus, buprenorphine carries a lower risk of abuse, addiction, and side effects compared to full opioid agonists. In fact, in high doses and under certain circumstances, buprenorphine can actually block the effects of full opioid agonists and can precipitate withdrawal symptoms if administered to an opioid-addicted individual while a full agonist is in the bloodstream.
Buprenorphine has poor oral bioavailability and moderate sublingual bioavailability. Formulations for opioid addiction treatment are in the form of sublingual tablets.
Buprenorphine is highly bound to plasma proteins. It is metabolized by the liver via the cytochrome P4503A4 enzyme system into norbuprenorphine and other metabolites. The half-life of buprenorphine is 2460 hours.
Because of its ceiling effect and poor bioavailability, buprenorphine is safer in overdose than opioid full agonists. The maximal effects of buprenorphine appear to occur in the 1632 mg dose range for sublingual tablets. Higher doses are unlikely to produce greater effects.
Respiratory depression from buprenorphine (or buprenorphine/naloxone) overdose is less likely than from other opioids. There is no evidence of organ damage with chronic use of buprenorphine, although increases in liver enzymes are sometimes seen. Likewise, there is no evidence of significant disruption of cognitive or psychomotor performance with buprenorphine maintenance dosing.
Information about the use of buprenorphine in pregnant, opioid-addicted women is limited; the few available case reports have not demonstrated any significant problems due to buprenorphine use during pregnancy. Suboxone® and Subutex® are classified by the FDA as Pregnancy Category C medications.
See the Buprenorphine Clinical Practice Guidelines (available soon on this Web site) for more information about the use of buprenorphine in pregnancy. Currently, methadone remains the standard of care for the medication-assisted treatment of opioid-addicted women in the United States.
Side Effects
Side effects of buprenorphine are similar to those of other opioids and include nausea, vomiting, and constipation. Buprenorphine and buprenorphine/naloxone can precipitate the opioid withdrawal syndrome. Additionally, the withdrawal syndrome can be precipitated in individuals maintained on buprenorphine. Signs and symptoms of opioid withdrawal include:
Dysphoric mood
Nausea or vomiting
Muscle aches/cramps
Lacrimation
Rhinorrhea
Pupillary dilation
Sweating
Piloerection
Diarrhea
Yawning
Mild fever
Insomnia
Craving
Distress/irritability
Drug Interactions, Cautions and Contraindications
Refer to the Subutex® and Suboxone® package inserts (http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/infopage/subutex_suboxone/default.htm) for a complete listing of drug interactions, contraindications, warnings, and precautions.
Abuse Potential
Because of its opioid agonist effects, buprenorphine is abusable, particularly by individuals who are not physically addicted to opioids. Naloxone is added to buprenorphine to decrease the likelihood of diversion and abuse of the combination product. Sublingual buprenorphine has moderate bioavailability, while sublingual naloxone has poor bioavailability. Thus, when the buprenorphine/naloxone tablet is taken in sublingual form, the buprenorphine opioid agonist effect predominates, and the naloxone does not precipitate opioid withdrawal in the opioid-addicted user.
Naloxone via the parenteral route, however, has good bioavailability. If the sublingual buprenorphine/naloxone tablets are crushed and injected by an opioid-addicted individual, the naloxone effect predominates and can precipitate the opioid withdrawal syndrome.
Under certain circumstances buprenorphine by itself can also precipitate withdrawal in opioid-addicted individuals. This is more likely to occur with higher levels of physical addiction, with short time intervals (e.g., less than 2 hours) between a dose of opioid agonist (e.g., methadone) and a dose of buprenorphine, and with higher doses of buprenorphine.
Evidence of Effectiveness
Studies have shown that buprenorphine is more effective than placebo and is equally as effective as moderate doses of methadone and LAAM in opioid maintenance therapy. Buprenorphine is unlikely to be as effective as more optimal-dose methadone, and therefore may not be the treatment of choice for patients with higher levels of physical dependence.
Few studies have been reported on the efficacy of buprenorphine for completely withdrawing patients from opioids. In general, the results of studies of medically assisted withdrawal using opioids (e.g., methadone) have shown poor outcomes. Buprenorphine, however, is known to cause a milder withdrawal syndrome compared to methadone and for this reason may be the better choice if opioid withdrawal therapy is elected.
Non-pharmacological Therapies
Effective treatment of drug addiction requires comprehensive attention to all of an individuals medical and psychosocial co-morbidities. Pharmacological therapy alone rarely achieves long-term success. Thus Suboxone® and Subutex® treatment should be combined with concurrent behavioral therapies and with the provision of needed social services. This point is of such importance that physicians must attest to their capacity to refer patients for counseling when they submit their Notification of Intent to SAMHSA to begin prescribing Suboxone® and Subutex®.
The choice of treatment setting in which to provide non-pharmacological therapies should be determined based on the intensity of intervention required for a patient. The continuum of treatment setting intensities ranges from episodic office-based therapy to intensive inpatient therapy. For more information on this topic refer to the American Society of Addiction Medicines Patient Placement Criteria (ASAM PPC-2R, (www.asam.org), the most widely used and comprehensive national guidelines for placement, continued stay, and discharge of patients with alcohol and other drug problems.
Many different types of behavioral therapies (e.g., Motivational Enhancement Therapy, self-help programs) have been used successfully for substance abuse disorders. The SAMHSA Treatment Improvement Protocol (TIP) series (http://www.treatment.org/Externals/tips.html) includes a number of documents that contain best practice guidelines for the provision of interventions and therapies for individuals with substance abuse disorders.
Opioid Addiction Therapy with Buprenorphine
This section provides a brief overview of the clinical use of buprenorphine (Suboxone® and Subutex®) for opioid addiction therapy. For detailed information on this topic see the Buprenorphine Clinical Practice Guidelines (available soon).
Ideal candidates for opioid addiction treatment with buprenorphine are individuals who have been objectively diagnosed with opioid addiction, are willing to follow safety precautions for treatment, can be expected to comply with the treatment, have no contraindications to buprenorphine therapy, and who agree to buprenorphine treatment after a review of treatment options. There are three phases of buprenorphine maintenance therapy: induction, stabilization, and maintenance.
The induction phase is the medically monitored startup of buprenorphine therapy. Buprenorphine for induction therapy is administered when an opioid-addicted individual has abstained from using opioids for 1224 hours and is in the early stages of opioid withdrawal. If the patient is not in the early stages of withdrawal, i.e., if he or she has other opioids in the bloodstream, then the buprenorphine dose could precipitate acute withdrawal.
Induction is typically initiated as observed therapy in the physicians office and may be carried out using either Suboxone® or Subutex®, dependent upon the physicians judgment. As noted above, Buprenex®, the parenteral analgesic form of buprenorphine, is not FDA-approved for use in opioid addiction treatment.
The stabilization phase has begun when a patient has discontinued or greatly reduced the use of his or her drug of abuse, no longer has cravings, and is experiencing few or no side effects. The buprenorphine dose may need to be adjusted during the stabilization phase. Because of the long half-life of buprenorphine it is sometimes possible to switch patients to alternate-day dosing once stabilization has been achieved.
The maintenance phase is reached when the patient is doing well on a steady dose of buprenorphine (or buprenorphine/naloxone). The length of time of the maintenance phase is individualized for each patient and may be indefinite. The alternative to going into (or continuing) a maintenance phase, once stabilization has been achieved, is medically supervised withdrawal. This takes the place of what was formerly called detoxification.
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nikkicat
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Hello!
I just received 6 viles of temgesic but they are only .3 mg each. Is this useless to me?
Thanks for any help you may be able to give!!
Also, I wanted to use it to help the w/d process from Hydrocodone.
Nikki
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JBRONCFAN
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Where did you get them from? How did they work?
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astrophel2
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It may already say this above, but how would one use temgesic to taper off of hydro (if I can ever find a source for it)!
I know there's some kind of step-down routine, but I don't know the doses needed (which I sure vary).
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servern
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I have a friend who is on Suboxone. It is Buprenorphine in the pill form . It is dissolved under the tongue. He is on 8mg 3x day. He gets it from one of the certifed doctors . I will get more info if anyone wants it- there is a website where you can find a Dr. in your state (city) to prescribe it. The only thing- it is not only in my state, but Insurance do not pay for the fee of the physician yet but DO pay for the actual prescription. He pays $150 every 2 weeks to see the Dr. and his insurance covers the script.
I went to the website before, I think it it SAMHSA.GOV
I will post again tomorrow....will get more info. Or PM me ...I know more, but am in a bit of a hury now.
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ashpup
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After a 3 part back surgury I was put on perc's then tapered to lortab 10's. The I decided I didi not like being filled with opiods. Please understand I made this up (the step down off wd's)not the story. If I cut down the Lortab 10's I got the WD's.
I ordered some temgesic back when it was available, it worked awesome and it was long lasting, no euphoria, but I felt great not having any form of WD's started 2 under the toungue x 2 day (total 4) a week later dropped to 3 day, then 2, then 1 and I saw in a movie you always take you last pill, drink, whatever your poision and flush it. I did (mental thing).
These are great and am sorry they are not more widely available. Pills for a while had a hold on me, the tems made where I could reverse it. Even if you took 5 - no euphoria - no abuse.
Feel free to PM me if you have questions except where did you get them It is gone (and left w some people's $$)
ashpup
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virola
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Interestingly, buprenorphine is supposedly remotely used "off label" as an anti-depressant and that perks my curiosity as any other opiate would over time very likely cause a depressed person many additional problems, even if it did initially ameliorate their depression. So this makes me wonder, how long would it take for a person on bup to need to up the dose to retain the same effect? I am sure it varies depending on whether one is on the micro dose Temgesic .2 mg type or the full-on suboxone multi milligram type. Opiates generally don't take long before they fizz out and dosage needs to be upped. I guess many ofthe SSRIs poop out too, but not nearly as quickly and not with everyone.
Ona side note, I have seen lists of drugs that are used "off label" and some drugs companies make extraordinary claims, a few meds seem to be good for practically every illness, and I can only guess that the drug companies are either very hopeful or outright deceitful when they suggest such a wide array of uses for their new products. Gabapentin for example is supposed to be good for so many things it is doubtful that the company making it is honest. There are even lawsuits against the makers of gabapentin claiming the company is excessive with their off label suggestions.
On a side note on a side note, I read (sorry link lost) that small amounts of tramadol (ultram) will be added to some well known antidepressants to augment the supply of serotonin in the brain synapse, creating a new line of more pOwerful, quicker acting antidepressants. It seems that there is no consistency in the latest research in drug development and my guess is that they really do not know what they are doing, sometimes they just dump the drugs on people and see what happens. Yikes!
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jeremypaka
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What would be a reasonable price to charge/pay for the
8mg Suboxone.
On an international site they were selling Temgesic; 100 .2mg tabs for $200, so a
.2mg Temgesic costs $2.00 per pill.
Using that price as a guide
Suboxone 2mg would cost $20.00 per pill and the
Suboxone 8mg would cost $80.00 per pill
That sounds ridiculous but if you mess with the math at the International site and change the 100 .2mg tabs to 1 20mg tab (100 X .2= 20), that's paying $200 for 2 1/2 8mg tabs.
I'd be willing to put up with the withdrawal symptoms if I could get that kind of money for my meds. 
JP
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yumbo
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Reged: 11/17/04
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I payed 370.00 for 30 8mg pills
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bcousin222
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Why dont you go to a certified bupe doctor and get a script? There have been posts here about temgesic vs suboxone. I have a lot of experience with both and here is my advice: The doctors who prescribe buprenorphine (suboxone) are only required to take an 8 hour course to be certified. I took the course and it is amazingly weak. The doctors are, for the most part, uneducated in the proper dosing. The rule with bupe is that LESS IS MORE (DONT go chasing a buzz with this!! it actually is an agonist at small doses and more of an antagonist at larger doses. SO, your best chance for feeling good from bupe is to take SMALL doses). In other words, those .2 mg temgesics DO work. When you go to a bupe doctor they will put you on anywhere from 8mg-32mg's per day for up to a year! this is WAY overdosing. If you go to a sub doctor and get the 8 mg pills, try breaking off a small piece and letting it dissolve under your tongue for [censored] long as possible. wait an hour and see how you feel. if you are still in withdrawals, take another small piece and wait. (I forgot to mention, you must be in mild withdrawals before you start or the bupe will put you into withdrawals and it wont be pretty. Also, the naloxone mixed in with the bupe in Suboxone will have ZERO effect on you sublingally or orally, if you happen to swallow some. it only has antagonistic effects if administered IV)).
Anyway, I think the cheapest, best route is to find a bupe doc if you can and get the script for the 8mg's and make them last. The final piece of the puzzle is to get off of them ASAP. As in 2 weeks MAX. If you stay on over a month, you will need to do a 6 month taper to get off of it and it WILL BE DIFFICULT. Bupe withdrawals (if you take it too long) will be MUCH worse that regular opiate withdrawals and can last months, instead of days. So, this drug is a miracle drug for getting off opiates if you take small doses for a short period of time.
It's hard to give this kind of info when it goes against what your doc may tell you. I'm not a doc, but have reviewed over 1500 case studies and taken the same course they take. People wonder why the .2 temgesics work while epople are prescribed 8mg-32mgs a day by a bupe doc and it's because they are being overdosed and this will lead to bupe dependence and, ultimately, a bupe withdrawal nightmare.
When I used bupe to get off a SERIOUS hydro habit (started with legit pain, but got way out of control as in 60+ norcos a day, I made an 8 mg suboxone pill last 5 days. at the end of my detox, I was taking pieces of suboxone the size of a crumb, and they worked!!, then, it was easy to step off the drug and get on with the real battle - staying clean!.
Sorry to ramble, but tis drug is HIGHLY misunderstood and misused. Please PM me if you are interested in going this route and I will help you out the best I can. My first piece of advise - get the drug from a certified doctor and not from an IOP if you can. In the long run it will be cheaper and healthier (you should have your vitals monitored and have a doc make sure you're not mixing bupe with counterindicated drugs ie: benzos).....
enough rambling. PM me if you want and if you're sick of opiates and feel you need to get off, please reach out to me and I'll help..
-bcousin
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ReOkie
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Loc: Oklahoma
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cousin:
You are so freakin right about the tems/bupe in small doses. When taking the .02 tems, I would put 1 or 2 under my tounge. When I got the 8mg suboxone from the doctor, I took a whole one and I think I had an out of body experience so after that I took only a small portion of the 8mg pill and it worked perfectly.
ReOkie
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Remember son, watch out for the big panties!-Al Bundy
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yumbo
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I have trouble taking them under the tongue. No matter how long I wait they put me in Wd's. I have started them again after 14 days of taking hydro. I felt nothing from the hydro no matter how many I took. I started the Subox yesterday by just swallowing half of an 8mg It takes the Wd's right away. So I figured I would let my body get use to the Subox then try them under the tongue. I just get to sick when I dissolve them. They must have some affect swallowing because I haven't had a hydro in about 18 hours and I just have a little bit of sweating. No runny nose no runs. The last time I did the subox I could barely pick my legs up and my back hurt so freakin bad. Maybe The subox is still in my body. I hope because I want to stay clean after the fourth time trying to do it by subox. I just don't understand why I get clean then put my body through the WD's again.
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bcousin222
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yumbo,
i'm glad you're feeling ok, but the suboxone has nothing to do with it. It CANNOT be absorbed through the stomach lining. Swallowing suboxone has the same effect as swallowing a rock. you will get NO medical benefit from it. Maybe you just are having an easy go of it?
As far as suboxone putting you into w/d's no matter how ong you wait to take it, you may be taking too much. Too much on your first dose can have terrible sickening effects. That's why it's important to take a little at a time with 1 hour breaks till you feel good.
Everyone is different and suboxone does not work for everyone (I think it's around 2% of a French study where the suboxone did nt have the desired effect). But, I am sure that swallowing it is not doing anything for you. maybe the magic power of your brain is making your w/d's ore bearable.
I have a question: you say when you take it sublingually you can barely lift your legs. Are you taking clonodine too? if so, dont. you dont need it. It lowers your blood pressure and has that exact effect on your limbs. you also said you back hurts when you take it that way. Is back pain your main problem? Sublingual bupe isnt much of a pain killer (the injectable ,pure form of bupe is). maybe that's your pain returning?
All I can say is please dont waste anymore by swallowing it until you've found the proper way to feel good taking it under the tongue. you'll want those ones you swallowed back.....
best
cuz
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jeremypaka
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I was actually prescribed Suboxone to get off of Tramadol.
I had an enormous Daily intake of Tramadol.
Through a health care worker friend I found my Bupe doctor.
I went to the ER and the doctor met me there and admitted me for 5 days.
I was put on 2mg every 4 hours for the first 48 hours.
I kept insisting that the withdrawal I was experiencing was just as nasty as usual. I didn't seem to feel any lessening of W/D symptoms.
After about a day and a half of this misery the doctor upped me to an 8 mg tab every 8 hours.
The doctor happened to be in the room when the nurse brought me the 8mg bupe which I promptly swallowed.
The doctor was quite upset that the nurses didn't know that I was supposed to dissolve the tab under my tongue.
He immediately had me dissolve another tab the proper way.
I began to feel better almost immediately. He didn't reduce my dosage back to the 2mgs even though they might have worked had I not been swallowing them for the last 36 hours so I really don't know if the 2mgs would have been enough to ease the discomfort of w/d.
Unfortunately the Suboxones are crappy pain killers so after about a month of the Sub., my Sub doctor put me on Methadone until after my pending back surgery.
I would definitely say that Suboxone is a wonder drug when they are taken properly.
JP
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yumbo
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I was going through Wd's 2 days ago sweating looking bad. I had half of an 8mg left from before. I kid you not I swallowed it and I started to feel myself, better in 15 minutes. I hear what you are saying but I feel fine right know swallowing it. I was going to melt one under my tongue tomorrow to see what happens. I am not taking the clonodine. The very first time I tried to quit I used that and it just slowed down my heart. I could not even fuction. I still have some left. I was telling the doctor about swallowing and he said that he has heard of it working that way for a small percentage of people. The first time I stopped I had the .2mg ones I followed the directions to the T. I went into Wd's a little then 1 1/2 hours later took another and wasn't great. I got sick at 2:00 am throwing up so bad. I just hope I can stay off. I tapper down pretty good. I cut and cut and cut that 8 mg pill so it is as small as I can get after a few days. I just hope no WD's when I stop the Subox. See Ya J
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bcousin222
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However it's happening, it's just great that you're feeling better. It's such a new drug that we're learning more about it everyday. I'm glad it works for you when swallowed, but I would just caution anyone reading this that you are a rare exception. Best of luck to you and I hope you continue to feel good
cuz
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Benton
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Just changing the title back.
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jeremypaka
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Although it isn't supposed to be swallowed, there are probably some type of mucous membranes between the mouth and the tummy that absorb some of the medication.
JP
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biggs
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Reged: 10/25/03
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there is an oral form of temgesic overseas that subosedly is not suiblingual.
I did not know this could exist/.
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