Kikimart
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Hi Folks, I haven't posted for a while but I just had a very bad experience with Fedex that was a real eye opener. It did not involve packages from a pharmacy but it easily could've been. I'm sure most of you, like me, are not aware that Fedex drivers now hire "helpers" to deliver packages.
Prior to the situation I'm about to relate, my experience with Fedex was always delivery involving a Fedex truck, driver in uniform with id etc. Okay, last Tuesday I was expecting a delivery. When I checked the tracking online it said pkg had been delivered to my front door. My property/private animal shelter is surrounded by a locked fence so there is no access to my house at all unless I open gate. There was no signature required for delivery so Fedex always puts pkg in plastic bag and hangs it on inside of gate. This has been the procedure for the past 4 years. If I know I have to sign, I leave gate open on delivery day.
I called Fedex immediately and got the usual story, they can't reach driver and can only put in a message for the driver to receive the next day. I insisted on being connected to the Orlando Terminal because I know the manager can contact the driver. Speed up 2 hours and I get a phone call from someone with a heavy accent saying he has a pkg for me but can't find the house. Everyone here has the address posted right outside their gate as do we. I told this person I would come outside and meet him assuming he was the Fedex driver. Well, next thing I know this strange man in a loud beatup old car races down the street and thru my gate. I asked for id, he had none. He handed me the pkg and I tried to get information of who he was, where was the driver that said he had delivered to my front door 2 hours prior etc. Suddenly the man couldn't speak English at all and he became very intimidating so much so that I told him to leave my property immediately. I went inside and called the Terminal manager to find out what was going on. This is when I found out that yes, the drivers hire these questionable people, give them our packages and assume they're honest and are gonna deliver the stuff. An isolated incident you say? Well, read on.
I was expecting another package on Saturday (both of these were computer repair parts) and the manager assured me this would not happen again. Okay, Saturday I check tracking and here we go again. This time driver stated he delivered pkg to my garage. We do not have a garage! Not to mention the delivery time I was outside in the front of the property with some of our shelter animals and no one came down the street at all. I was totally fed up so this week I have been dealing with the Customer Advocate Dept in Dallas. The driver/helper suddenly changed his story and claims it left pkg at gate. This is another lie of course because I was right out there during his supposed delivery time. I even checked with my elderly neighbor across the street who sees everything and she saw no truck/no vehicle. We are on a dead end dirt road so only residents/service people are ever out here.
There is no doubt in my mind that the 2nd time at least, the pkg was intentionally stolen because of my having complained about him. The pkg is still missing as of today and apparently no action is being taken against this driver despite doing this to a customer twice in 4 days.
So, for all of you who have had no problems with Fedex, keep in mind, neither did I until this "helper" situation.
Knowing that Fedex allows this is a big concern to me because they state they are not responsible for the actions of these helpers. It is up to the driver to handle. Gee, could they both be in it together? My packages didn't contain drugs but I guess anything dealing with computers might be worth stealing. I know the only reason I got the first package recovered is because I was able to get on it right away. With the Saturday incident, I had to wait until yesterday (Tuesday) because they were closed Sunday AND Monday which was another surprise. So by the time I could file a complaint, my package was long gone 3 days prior.
Sorry this is so long but I thought it important to let everyone know what happened to me cause it could happen to anyone now that Fedex does not require it's employees to make the actual delivery. I don't know what the drivers do now if they have helpers to take all the packages. The whole thing is just bizarre.
And by the way, the helper that finally got my 1st pkg to me did not have the hand scanner, did not ask me to sign anything nor did he write down delivery time etc. Wonder why.
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JPain
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I think someone is feeding you bunk. Any FedEx driver in the Dallas area, and any other would be fired on the spot for delegating their delivery responsibilities, especially to non-employees of FedEx.
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curiousdee
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I agree with the other poster, someone is feeding you bunk. The fedex drivers are heavily insured. They do extensive background checks. You have to be insurable and bondable. Fedex is liable for any action their drivers take. And they are on a tight timeline. I believe your story. Maybe someone took your package. Good luck.
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Kikimart
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Reged: 10/27/02
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I just wanted to follow up because apparently it appears that I fell for something. I contacted the Fedex Executive Office and here it is as I was told: Fedex ground drivers are "contracted" meaning they are in charge of one area or more than one if they choose. They in turn can "contract" out to a third party (apparently anyone with a driver's license) to assist them in making deliveries. The third party does not have to be bonded, in uniform or carry Fedex id. They said this caused alot of problems after 911 but no changes were made.
Unbelievable yes, but true. Sometimes we don't really know how things operate until we have a problem, research it and find out the intricate little details that most people don't know. Whether we like the truth or not is another story.
Yes, someone stole the 2nd package. Whether it was the driver or the "contracted helper" I'll never know. Fedex only considers the actual driver under contract to be their employee. The third party contractor is the responsibility of the driver.
That's it Folks. That's what the corporate office told me. If anyone still doesn't believe me, they can find out themselves by calling Fedex (800-463-3339, ask to be connected to the Customer Advocate Dept in Dallas and inquire about the 3rd party contracting policy for ground delivery.
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sassyg
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That is INSANE!!!!! FedEx is going to RUIN their reputation if they continue to allow this!! So, what's going on with your stolen package? PLEASE tell me that FedEx is responsible for replacing the stolen package!!!

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wmcarter
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FedEx Ground is a whole different animal than the FedEx Air operations. FedEx bought out a another company when they began there ground operations (I believe in the Dallas area it was RPS). FedEx ground IS contracted out to third parties. These guys when in uniform dress in green and the marked trucks are also green and owned by the contractors. They may or may not use scanners.
FedEx Air is staffed by employee drivers and company owned vehicles. These guys wear purple and trucks are purple as well.
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Tred
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Wow! Crazy story! Yet entertaining and facinating at the same time.. but in the end, it wasn't, because of your issues you have with them now.. I can't believe they do this! I would have never guessed and here I am talking down on UPS.. Shessh, I am for the fun of it... going ot investigate this a little more to see what's really going on. Just so I know what and where my parcels go.
Good luck on finding the package, sorry that happened to you.
Tred =)
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Kikimart
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Reged: 10/27/02
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To update you all, no my package has not been found. Late yesterday I spoke with the Operations Manager (the Big Boss) for the Orlando Terminal. He said the driver involved in the still missing package is no longer making deliveries. He agrees that this third party bit is not a good idea because I am not the only one this has happened to. Many people do not feel comfortable opening their door to someone without id or at least an identifiable vehicle.
The reason why theft is so prevelant in the ground area is because the driver/helper scans the bar code at the terminal, not in front of the customer or at the delivery site. So, the scanner is only picking up the person's address that's on the delivery label. Meaning, the driver/helper then goes out and can deliver the package anywhere and the scanned info will still say it's been delivered to addressee! Mind boggling.
I would never have believed this if I had not gone thru it, not once, but twice last week. I have always had pkgs delivered by drivers in Fedex uniform/truck. Just bad luck I guess that it happened the way it did. At least now I know how they operate with their ground services. If I can't have something delivered Express, (and get to pay more, argh) I will go with another carrier. Never again will I trust the ground drivers with my stuff.
To answer a question, yes, the sender has graciously and quickly, sent a replacement 2nd Day Express. Without the intervention of the Customer Advocate Rep at Fedex, I would be waiting a long time for a claim to go thru. Thank goodness I'm not getting stuck with the loss. I run a private shelter for special needs animals so a $50 item is alot of money to us.
Anyway, I just wanted to get this info out there so others would be aware of Fedex's new policy. If you guys are expecting something thru ground delivery, make sure you get it and if not, follow up asap and keep bitching till someone helps you.
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bgone
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It's really not a new policy. FedEX bought RPS when they went bankrupt and started Ground. But Ground only delivers to businesses, so FedEX added Home, which delivers ground packages to residential addresses. Home and Ground usually operate out of the same terminal and all the drivers are contracted by FedEX. The drivers in turn have the option of hiring helpers on a sub-contract basis. As far as the trucks go, some of the drivers do own the trucks, but some of the drivers don't own the trucks and pay FedEX per month, or every two weeks for using the trucks. This is because when a driver who owns a truck leaves a route he may decide to sell the truck to FedEX rather than keep it. As far as scanning goes, I know that the packages are supposed to be scanned by the person who loads the truck, I also know that some packages do not get scanned for a number of reasons. I thought that the drivers scanned them when they delivered them also, but you stated that they don't. Well, that's what I can add. b5t3
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Kikimart
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I don't mind at all if the drivers hire helpers. What I do mind is a stranger in a beat up old car, with no id and who does not speak English, coming on my property with a package that I paid a good sum to have delivered safely and professionally. That's the whole problem here. I have no idea who this person was, where my package was for the 2 hours it was missing etc etc. Then to have another package disappear completely 4 days later, well, I think anyone would find that objectionable. These helpers I am told, are not required to wear uniforms, have any kind of id, let alone a recognizable delivery vehicle.
I live in Florida and yes, it is 50 years behind the times in terms of human rights and standards of living. For this New Yorker, day to day living is a shocker. I have chaulked this experience up to one of many that I don't understand about living here. I do hope that no one else has this happen, but, at least you all have been made aware that it could happen. It if reflects badly on Fedex at all, hopefully it is limited to the Central Florida area. Never had anything like this happen in my 18 years in NYC.
As a side note, the sender of the missing package resent and it was delivered Friday by Express. They are totally different than the Ground bunch and I have absolutely no complaint with their service. Too bad the cost is double the Ground but I guess in Florida you get what you pay for. I would trust the Post Office more than I would trust Fedex Ground and believe me, that is saying something.
Thanks everyone for your input.
Debby
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TXR
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I have a lot of trouble believing that FedEx is not going to pay for your loss. Nobody would ship anything with them if it was not insured and bonded. It makes no sense. They are legally liable for the loss. It's not really even arguable that they could not be -- now if the driver did hire someone else, then the driver would be -- but, like someone above said, the driver is insured and bonded. So, no consumer should ever lose $$$. But that's not too helpful when your meds or computer parts are lost.
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Kikimart
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I didn't have to go that far with Fedex as the merchant who was the sender agreed to replace the missing items free of charge after the Customer Advocate Dept contacted them on my behalf. They are apparently taking it up with Fedex for reimbursement. All of this stuff with Fedex Ground was news to the sender as well. We all thought that even if a package is misdelivered, the tracking device would have that info. Not so with Ground because no scanning is done upon actual delivery. The person making the delivery hand writes only the time and the location (front door etc.) of delivery. What you see in the online tracking when it says delivered is really that it's on the truck. Then later the clerk at the terminal inputs the exact time of delivery from the handwritten schedule. Don't yell at me that this is impossible. I couldn't have made this up believe me.
That's why this whole thing couldn't be resolved and the package retrieved. The driver/helper had no idea where she left it (this is the one claiming she left it in our garage which we don't have). So, the tracking info we all look at on line will say it was delivered to the correct address because the package was only scanned upon being loaded into delivery vehicle, NOT upon the actual delivery to person.
It sucks and the folks working at the Fedex Customer Advocate Department who came to my aid are very upset about this arrangement because it's causing alot of problems.
Hopefully Fedex will get it resolved and stop this 3rd party stuff. Especially after 9/11, I don't think any of us feel safe having a stranger with a package and no id/recognizable vehicle/uniform coming to our front door.
Wouldn't it have been heartening if the person who received the package in error had done the right thing and called Fedex to coming and get it. Can't imagine keeping something that I know I didn't pay for. And yes, thank goodness it wasn't medication but it does make you think.
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