penzam1535
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I was wondering how closely hydro scripts are monitored by big brother. My X has multiple scripts going with multiple pharmacies for different hydro's. I'm worried about her abuse of painkillers, and fear she will get questioned. She lives in NY and uses no insurance. Any info would be appreciated......
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nycalt
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Again, there is no simple answer to these types of questions.
That said, I don't think the Fed's are actively monitoring her or for that matter anyone's scripts; there is just too much volume.
I know someone who stole a prescription book from a doctor and forged quite a large number of Oxy/Percocet/Hydro/you name it prescriptions. At one point she was up to 10 Perocet's a day! She was filling the prescriptions at different local pharmacies. And she never got caught. Now this is obviously a major federal offence.
Please note I am in no way condoning this; her life is messed up big time currently due to her addition to pain killers. She is really like a heroin addict stealing for her fix. Its sad.
In any case, of course her example is no guarantee of anything but my point is I think too many people here have been reading too many George Orwell books. The government doesnt have the manpower or money to do this kind of stuff except when they are targeting someone.
Worst case scenario: She would get one of those "warning" visits by the DEA. Now, at that point she will quite clearly be watched and if she continues she could get into some real trouble
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But I think, like the woman I know, your exs biggest problem is her addiction. If you want to help her dont scare her with threats of DEA raids, but try to get her to realize her problem and help herself. Not easy, I know, having been there myself on both ends of addiction problems! She has to want to do it. Sometimes, unfortunately, as much as we hate to see people we care about go through this, it takes hitting some kind of personal rock bottom before they take action. Rock bottom doesnt have to mean they become a homeless addict; it sometime just takes an event (such as an arrest or loss of job or health issue) to get someone to realize they need to make a change.
Good luck.
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tb1218
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I am a little confused, if she has multiple scripts, then she must have multiple doctors as well. If that were the case I dont think the DEA would be involved initially, I think a doctor may get clued in by a pharmacy and cut her off first.
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Greycie
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I agree, but also add that your ex's biggest problem may yet be when an OP discovers she's double dipping and cuts her off and she then goes through withdrawal.
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IMSUSCOT1
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I agree with the above poster...once you lose a doctors trust...you're screwed! And DON'T think they WON'T and CAN'T contact the other providers & pharmacies...Under HIPAA you have No special protections when it comes to breaking the law...there are in fact exlusions to eliminate hindrance of doctor shopping & double dipping...If ANY ONE Of them finds out.,...they WILL notify all her other providers...she's going to be singing the BLUES big time when it happens, and trust me, IT WILL HAPPEN.
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antigone
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nycalternati-What great sense you make! and compassionate too! If only BB did think as you do,- we wouldn't have to experience the anxiety of getting pain relief meds along with the actual pain.
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kandi
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I agree, but also add that your ex's biggest problem may yet be when an OP discovers she's double dipping and cuts her off and she then goes through withdrawal.
I've been aroung here a while, and this subject always seems to continually rear it's head. The thing I'm wondering is, if the OP's she's using are using different MDs and pharmacies, then how is she going to get caught? If the state has some kind of internal pharmacy tracking system in place, I can understand that, but to my knowledge (assuming we're speaking about Florida here) they do not. Even if they did, the law could still be circumvented by using an OP that has their pharmacy service in another state. I don't think Big Brother is nearly as sophisticated as some give him credit for on here, otherwise 'which pharmacy do they use?' wouldn't be as popular a question around here as it is whenever a new OP opens. I am not by any means condoning DD....just trying to figure out given the above scenarios, how does one get caught?
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kandi
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This is the exact kind of behavior that is causing alot of the problems with OP's being shut down. They are saying it is to easy. Of course I know that you can go from physical doctor to physical doctors office also but right now the online OP's are the target. Maybe a database amongstt he online pharmacies or OP's would help solve this problem. Don't know but It is sad to say that I hope she suffers some pain with the withdrawals that are comparable to the pain the pain sufferers suffer from real pain after all the damage is done! 
Wow...nice, wishing pain on someone...maybe we can take it a step further and wish her the kind of pain that the CP'er who's also dependent on pain meds go thru with W/Ds, huh? The double whammy? Sorry, but as a nurse, and a fellow CP'er, I just find it hard to believe that anyone would wish severe pain on someone else...but it takes all kinds to make a world.
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rkjones
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debbie4884
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How do you know she isn't a CP patient? You can build up your tolerance and get out of control being a CP patient. The assumption that she is a "drug seeker" is exactly the kind of labeling that needs to stop in my opinion. But, I am cranky- my migraines have been out of control!
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rkjones
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Everyone here that knows me knows that I am a very caring a compassionate person! I have helped many people on this board this last past year. I am usually on the VIP side but read this side and only sometimes do I post on this side. I merely said that a person using 4 different op's at the same time for pain control is exactly some of the behavior causing the problems with the dea shutting down op's due to the ease of abuse. I don't know if this person is a c/p patient as I am or not but if it takes this many meds, say she gets 120 4 times then she is going to hurt herself from so many pain meds and needs help! If the pain is that severe then i would be afraid not to use a local physcian. Matter of fact my pain is out of control now so I am going to ER to find out what is going on with my side again.
If she is not in pain but just has a drug problem with painmeds then she needs help before she hurts herself from so many pain meds.
If she has to go through withdrawal due to OP's shutting down then I would hope that if I have to because there are no more record OP's that she and I at least are sharing w/d symptoms and the chronic pain too. I wouldn't get off with just withdrawals because of my severe pain i suffer as well.
you guys are too cranky and take things wrong so I deleted my posts and will go back to the VIP side and let you guys have this. You guys don't care if everything is being shut down and people DD and using numerous op's? The guy said 3 or 4 different ones, and that is all i replied to. You guys are one line from flaming me for no reason, Oh well, please have a good day.
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IMSUSCOT1
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Wow, I didn't perceive her as being unhelpful or uncaring...I think she's just trying to answer the question. ANd if you look at the original posters post, he's talking about local pharmacies, not OP's...and the risk is great...many Pharmacists work Per Diem like nurses do...so Pharmacist Bob is working at Walgreens this week, where his x currently has a script being filled...Monday morning...she's getting another one at Osco...HMMMM he says...see Pharmacists are REQUIRED BY LAW to report suspected prescription fraud/abuse, from two standpoints...1.) the laws of the locality against doctor shopping and prescription fraud...and having several different docs, who are NOT aware of one another prescribe the same med, then getting it filled at different pharmacies, to avoid detection is abusive/fraudulant.
2.) From the standpoint of the health & wellbeing of the patient....if the patient is getting multiple narc scripts filled at different pharmacies, the pharmacist has to consider the potential health risks to the patient, possiblity of OD, and liver damage 2ndry to WAY Too much APAP from taking high doses of multiple narc/combo's...
And all it takes is for ONE pharmacist/pharmacy to become suspicious...this sort of info can spread really quickly through the pharmacy/medical community....and they're not breaking any laws when they notify another physcian/pharmacy of suspected fraud/abuse...so the worst thing that could happen to her, and WILL happen to her is one provider will find out, then ALL her providers/pharmacies will find out, then she'll be cut off COLD TURKEY...
Go ahead, believe like Pollyanna this isn't or couldn't happen...it happens EVERYDAY
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penzam1535
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Sorry for the longtime without posting....She uses only one op and one doctor. The thing is this local doc wrote #60 5/500's with 5 refills around april 1st, few weeks later she has another appointment, says she would like to try vicoprofen, same thing, #60 with 5 fills, few weeks later she tells the doc she's allergic to the ibuprofen and is concerned about the tylenol of the 5/500's, so she goes on lortab, same thing #60 with 5 fills. My question is if she continues to get all thesefilled at different pharms without insurance would the feds ever see? Thanks
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IMSUSCOT1
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Right now she's taking advantage of a very liberal presciribing source! What a shame & what a mistake...this is exactly the kind of patient that gives CP patients a bad rep....trust me, this doc WILL catch on to her games...and then poof, he won't prescribe anymore & if she thinks she'll just get another one, good luck...findin someone who will prescribe as liberally as he has...and the sad thing is, nothing you can say will change this for her...only when the doc gets wise to her game, and then cuts her off...then you'll hear a "woe is me" tail you've never heard the likes...sorry I just have a hard time feeling sorry for this person when so many others are hurting but can get scripted dick, all because of this type of behavior.
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penzam1535
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I agree with you Scott, she is taking advantage of this nice doctor. Hopefully she will realize how lucky she is to have one script. All those other refills are gone now I found out and she is not going to pressure him for more. I think she's realizing she could easily screw herself. I will be having her read this thread today, perhaps it will change her mind.........perhaps....
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Daycamp72
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IMS: I enjoy all of your posts. My question - how can a provider OR a pharmacy, for that matter, "cut a patient off" narcotics if there is a legitimate need for them?
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