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www.pillbox.com busted?
      #162758 - 05/17/04 08:17 PM

Go to www.pillbox.com and as the page comes in click on the second box that's titled pillbox pharmacy. If you wait until the page comes in all the way it will be gone.

What comes up is what appears to be a message from the Federal Goverment about the site being shut down and the owner being brought up on charges.

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Re: www.pillbox.com busted? [Re: bills]
      #162780 - 05/17/04 10:05 PM

If you do a 'whois', this is the registrant:

Registrant:
DEA Diversion Group, DEA Diversion Group (THEPILLBOX-DOM)
10127 Morocco
San Antonio, TX 78216
US

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I read they've been logging the IP address of anyone who clicked that link and are going to start a massive roundup tomorrow.

NO, NO, NO --- only kidding on the second part! Sorry, couldn't resist!

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Actually, you must have the URL mixed up with another similar one. pillbox was shut down several years ago.

Quote:

When prosecutors shut the Internet pharmacy operations at thepillbox.com in San Antonio, much of the business shifted to prescriptiononline.com in Las Vegas, records show. When that site was closed two years later, Nevada regulators suspect the business shifted yet again -- this time to Florida.





That came from this old article .

They had their troubles in the past after a drawn out case where someone died in an auto accident after consuming xanax purchased online. You know, the same way they shut down a liquor store after someone kills themselves driving drunk -- no comment.

This was in Nevada and involved a few other online pharmacies too.

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Re: www.pillbox.com busted? [Re: patient2all]
      #162782 - 05/17/04 10:15 PM

My spouse placed and recieved an order from them last month and the web site was fine.
And yes I am sure it was www.pillbox.com

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Re: www.pillbox.com busted? [Re: bills]
      #162787 - 05/17/04 10:47 PM

Well, I wouldn't let it get around....


pillbox.com appears to be an on-line art gallery now. They show that link to the defunct thepillbox.com because pillbox.com must have been getting errant visits and emails that they didn't appreciate.

There is a site called www.ourpillbox.com which looks to be a decent US OP site. I've got a feeling that's who you meant to visit.

I'm glad you pointed me to pillbox.com. If any of you guys are an art aficionado like me , you may want to check out the link labeled '04'. Now, that's art!

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Re: www.pillbox.com busted? [Re: patient2all]
      #162843 - 05/18/04 07:06 AM

It was the pillbox.com
Looks like the Dea took over the domain but did not pay the yearly fees to keep the domain. When the domain expired it was registered by someone else.

We are posting the article mentioned:
Quote:

Internet Trafficking in Narcotics Has Surged


By Gilbert M. Gaul and Mary Pat Flaherty, Washington Post

Reprinted with permission from Washingtonpost.Newsweek Interactive and The Washington Post.

LAS VEGAS -- In July 2001, regulators at the Nevada State Board of Pharmacy noticed something unusual among the reams of data that flow into the busy agency each day. Buried along with the other numbers was a report from a small Internet pharmacy that had filled 1,105 prescriptions for painkillers and other dangerous drugs that month.

The same tiny pharmacy had dispensed just 17 prescriptions in the prior six months.

Virtually overnight, prescriptiononline.com had become one of the largest distributors of controlled substances in Nevada. Over the next year, the online pharmacy shipped nearly 5 million doses of highly addictive drugs to customers scattered across the country. By the time regulators shut the Las Vegas firm in January, prescriptiononline.com accounted for 10 percent of all hydrocodone sold in Nevada, regulators said.

It turned out that the booming business was owned by a 23-year-old former restaurant hostess. But it was run by her father, who had been convicted of a felony in 1992.

"For any single pharmacy to account for 10 percent of any drug is incredible," said Louis Ling, general counsel to the Nevada pharmacy board. "The fact that it was a highly addictive painkiller and an Internet site run by a convicted felon was even more troubling. This was unlike anything we had ever seen."

With little notice or meaningful oversight, the Internet has become a pipeline for narcotics and other deadly drugs. Customers can pick from a vast array of painkillers, antidepressants, stimulants and steroids with few controls and virtually no medical monitoring.

There are dozens of legitimate online drugstores and mail-order pharmacies. Unlike rogue sites, they require customers to mail in prescriptions from their doctors. Typically, the legitimate sites offer a full range of medications, with painkillers accounting for less than 20 percent of their business.

In contrast, a majority of the rogue sites' sales are for hydrocodone, Xanax, Valium and a few other addictive drugs. Many work with middlemen who set up the sites' customers with doctors who are veritable script-writing machines. Some of those doctors have financial problems and histories of substance abuse or medical incompetence, records show.

The online merchants now feed a sprawling shadow market for prescription drugs, frustrating medical leaders alarmed by the threat to public health and investigators hard-pressed to keep up with nimble Web sites that can open and close at a moment's notice.

"It's like rabbits," said Wayne A. Michaels, a senior investigator for the Drug Enforcement Administration. "Every day, there are more of them. They're up, they're down, they're foreign, they're domestic."

The agency recently created a six-person task force solely to track the online trade in narcotics. But officials acknowledged the effort is a form of "triage" amid an escalating crisis. "We're afraid it's going to overwhelm us, once we've identified all these sites," said Elizabeth A. Willis, chief of the DEA's drug operations section.

The multimillion-dollar industry has appeared overnight, pumping millions of pills into some of America's smallest and most economically distressed communities.

The Washington Post obtained and analyzed a Nevada pharmacy board database of 30,000 orders filled by prescriptiononline.com. The analysis found that four of every 10 pills poured into four southern states with widely documented prescription-abuse problems. A disproportionate share of those drugs went to customers in small towns.

Some small Tennessee towns received 50 times more painkillers per capita than large cities, the analysis found. For example, Church Hill got 1,013 pills for every 1,000 residents; Nashville, just 26. Bristol got 1,584; Memphis, 14.

"It's a no-brainer why you see high volumes in these little places," said Tammy Meade, a narcotics prosecutor in Nashville. "Users and people who want to get their hands on enough to distribute can't doctor shop in places like that. And if they use the Internet, someone like me . . . is going to have a tougher time finding out."

Stretching from Florida to California, the Internet pipeline has left a trail of deaths, overdoses, addictions and emotionally devastated families.

"It absolutely blew my mind that you could get these drugs online," said Sue R. Townsend, the coroner in Aiken County, S.C. Her son Douglas, 30, died after driving his car into a fence in September 2001. His family said he had taken a generic form of the tranquilizer Xanax, which they said he had purchased from myprivatedoc.com, a now-defunct Web site in Mesa, Ariz. Townsend's family sued the Web site, the pharmacy and the Arizona doctor who wrote the prescription, accusing them of selling the drug without a proper medical consultation. The case was recently settled with no admission of liability.

"Losing Doug has broken our hearts," Sue Townsend said, fighting back tears. "He had a young wife and a baby boy who will never know his daddy. Somehow we have to tell how dangerous this is, because it's happening all over."

In a typical purchase from a rogue site, a customer logs on and orders hydrocodone (generic Vicodin and Lortab). The Web site steers him to a middleman, often another Web site, which arranges a telephone consultation with a doctor. The customer and the doctor talk briefly, after which the doctor writes the prescription and sends it electronically to the Internet pharmacy. The pharmacy ships 60 pills to the customer by overnight mail. Total cost: $290. The pharmacy pockets $190 for the hydrocodone and the doctor and the middleman split the remaining $100 as a consultation fee. There are no face-to-face meetings, lab tests, X-rays or follow-ups.

There are dozens of Web sites selling narcotics in the United States, with scores more operating offshore. Federal prosecutors have shut Web sites, filed indictments and won guilty pleas from several owners. But it often takes years to prove a case. In the meantime, the pills move.

For each site closed, "two or three more open," said Jennifer Bolen, a former federal prosecutor in Knoxville, Tenn. "It is so easy for them to close down a site one day and open a new one the next."

For the DEA, an agency already responsible for everything from drug cartels to street drugs, trying to police the growing number of online pharmacies "is like trying to work every corner drug dealer," said Laura M. Nagel, the agency's deputy assistant administrator. "We can't do it all."

When prosecutors shut the Internet pharmacy operations at thepillbox.com in San Antonio, much of the business shifted to prescriptiononline.com in Las Vegas, records show. When that site was closed two years later, Nevada regulators suspect the business shifted yet again -- this time to Florida.

Some Web sites have dozens or even hundreds of affiliate sites. Others are designed to appear as though they are headquartered in the United States when they are really offshore, in such places as Namibia, Thailand and Sri Lanka. The growing numbers of foreign online pharmacies operate with near impunity. The Food and Drug Administration's strongest recourse is to send a warning letter, which usually is ignored.

"As an investigator, it's incredibly frustrating," said Robert J. West, a special agent with the FDA's Office of Criminal Investigations. "All we can do is bang away and try to draw attention to what these guys are doing. Right now, I don't think people have any idea how widespread or dangerous this is."

Little Regulation

States regulate pharmacies, creating widely different rules governing Internet sites. Under-staffed pharmacy boards barely have time to inspect brick-and-mortar pharmacies, let alone virtual ones. Many online pharmacies have ignored state efforts to register them. Only one state -- California -- has a full-time agent investigating doctors writing prescriptions for Internet pharmacies.

The lax oversight comes amid Congress's inability to pass legislation requiring even minimal disclosure by Internet pharmacies.

In 1999, then-Rep. Ron Klink (D-Pa.) issued a warning at a committee hearing: "I am concerned a 'Wild West' world is unfolding before us, where many consumers are accessing potentially dangerous drugs with little or no practical guidance. Yet because it is e-commerce, there is a mentality: It must be progress."

In 2000, the FDA, the General Accounting Office and several House members urged that online pharmacies be required to disclose their owners, locations, doctors, affiliated pharmacies and telephone numbers. But Congress never followed through. Nearly four years later, there is still no disclosure requirement.

"Getting a bill regulating the Internet is about as hard as it gets," said William K. Hubbard, the FDA's senior associate commissioner. "You have all of these people worrying about stifling this wonderful thing . . . and they don't want the bad Feds in there."

A Post reporter sent e-mail asking for identifying information to 15 online pharmacies specializing in painkillers. Only one responded. It declined to say who owns the site or where it is located. One online pharmacy included a telephone number for customer service that linked to a freight forwarding company in Miami. When a reporter called, a secretary said that it moved shipments for a customer in Costa Rica.

In late 1999, the National Association of Boards of Pharmacy instituted a voluntary system for certifying online pharmacies, including inspections and disclosure. But of the hundreds of Internet pharmacies now operating, only a "dozen or so" signed up, said Carmen Catizone, the board's executive director. Most of those are large, legitimate sites, such as drugstore.com.

One pharmacy that received certification was prescriptiononline.com. "I can't explain what happened there," Catizone said. "I know we certified it originally, and then later on we got some complaints, and we suspended their certification. Obviously, if we knew then what we do now, we never would have certified them."

Easy Licenses

Regulators in Nevada faced a similar situation in April 1999 when Terri Suarez applied for a license to operate an online pharmacy called prescriptiononline.com.

No one at the Nevada State Board of Pharmacy had ever heard of Suarez. She was not a pharmacist. She was not even from Nevada. She was based in Louisiana. But all Suarez had to do to get a license was show that she had a corporation.

"At that time, our whole application was essentially a page and a half," said Ling, the board's counsel. "It was essentially nothing. I don't even think she had to prove she had a business license."

Her application was approved.

Nevada regulators did not know that Suarez operated a closed-door pharmacy in Jefferson, La., called Pharmaceuticals Southwest Inc. On paper, the tiny company was set up to sell discounted drugs to nursing homes. But when an inspector showed up in November 1999, there were no drugs to be found.

"It was definitely a front," Carlos M. Finalet III of the Louisiana Board of Pharmacy said later. "It had no stock. The pharmacist sat there reading a book."

Suarez denied buying any drugs, even when she was confronted with invoices bearing her signature, according to a complaint that the Louisiana board filed against Suarez's company. The board determined that Suarez had indeed purchased drugs -- $1.2 million worth in two months from Bindley Western Industries Inc. But inspectors could not find them.

Based on Suarez's "complete disregard for pharmacy laws," the board revoked the company's license and fined it $100,000. But the board has been unable to collect, and Finalet said Suarez's whereabouts are unknown .

Nevada regulators did not know about Suarez's troubles when her name resurfaced in March 2001. That month, they received notice that she had sold her interest in prescriptiononline.com to Melissa Cosenza, 23.

The regulators blanched. Cosenza's father is Michael R. Cosenza, who has a long history of working at the margins of drug distribution in Nevada and elsewhere.

"We knew immediately that he was using her as a front," Ling said. "What we didn't know was what he was up to."

At a hearing, Melissa Cosenza confirmed that her father was going to be a consultant to prescriptiononline.com. "She had supposedly bought the company for $50,000, payable at $5,000 a year," Ling recalled. "Who buys a pharmacy for $50,000? It sounded as hokey as could be. We started asking her questions. It was pretty obvious she didn't know anything about the business."

In April 2001, Melissa Cosenza submitted an application for a license, stating that she owned all of the company's stock. She gave a home address near San Diego. Under work history, she listed jobs as a restaurant hostess and salon receptionist.

Nevertheless, she qualified for a license. "I suppose it looks pretty embarrassing but really there wasn't much we could do," Ling said. Under the board's existing rules, "I really can't deny someone a license just because they come from a family and I know they are going to do something bad as soon as I give them a license."

Nor was there much the board could do about Michael Cosenza, 60, whose consulting business Med-Pharm Inc. would be running prescriptiononline.com.

Cosenza had pleaded guilty to grand theft in 1992 in Inyo County, Calif., for stealing more than $100,000 from a health care construction project, court records show. He later was incarcerated in 2000 for six months on a charge related to the earlier case. In October of that year, he had that case dismissed and expunged from his record.

"There was no way Michael as a convicted felon could qualify for a license," Ling said. "But under the law at the time, we didn't have the ability to take action against a pharmacy based on who was employed. It's probably still unclear today if we could stop him from operating the company."

It was not the first time Cosenza had worked around his past.

In April 1997, the California Board of Pharmacy said that Cosenza was operating two closed-door pharmacies licensed under the name of his wife, Barbara Jackson Cosenza. According to the board's official accusation, the two pharmacies were supposed to purchase prescription drugs at a discount and sell them to nursing homes.

"In reality, both pharmacies were actually wholesale businesses in which hundreds of thousands of dollars of dangerous drugs were . . . sold to other wholesale companies," the state board alleged. "Some of these drug shipments were delivered to the San Diego office of a courier and picked up by non-licensed agents. . . . Upon occasion, these dangerous drugs stayed with the courier for days without proper storage or supervision by a registered pharmacist."

According to the accusation, Michael Cosenza had held himself out as the owner of the two pharmacies "and conducted business transactions on behalf of both pharmacies." The California regulators said he did not qualify for a license because of his 1992 felony conviction. In December 1998, Cosenza's wife agreed to surrender the two licenses.

In January 2002, Barnes Wholesale Drugs Inc., a California drug distributor, sued Cosenza. The wholesaler charged that it was owed $529,000 for drugs purchased by an Oregon company called Pharmaceuticals Northwest Inc. The firm was run by Cosenza's stepfather, George Kemmler, 74, a retired snack food deliveryman with diabetes and "blindness in one eye." Barnes alleged that Cosenza paid Kemmler $1,500 a month to act as a straw man. Kemmler declined to comment for this article.

Barnes also alleged that the company was diverting drugs meant for nursing homes to another wholesaler in Las Vegas.

In a deposition, Cosenza denied any role in the diversion. He settled the lawsuit in 2002 by agreeing to pay Barnes $514,000. But he fell behind on the payments, and a judgment was entered against him for $658,000.

Cosenza and his daughter declined to be interviewed for this article. In a court filing in 2003, his lawyer said that prescriptiononline.com was a legitimate pharmacy that complied with all of Nevada's laws and regulations.

Booming Business

With Michael Cosenza behind it, prescriptiononline.com's business surged. Between July and December 2001, the online pharmacy filled 18,499 prescriptions, compared with just 17 in the prior six months. Nearly all were for controlled substances.

"Normally, with any retail pharmacy, you would expect 15 to 20 percent of the sales to be painkillers," Ling said. "Prescriptiononline turned that upside-down. They reversed the model."

Located in a small business park in northwest Las Vegas, prescriptiononline.com did not employ its own physicians. Unlike some other sites, it relied on doctors to steer business its way. All of those physicians were in other states and were associated with middlemen who arranged brief telephone conversations with patients in return for a fee. Two of the doctors -- Jon S. Opsahl and William Dale from California -- quickly became the two most prolific prescription writers in Nevada, regulators said.

In March 2002, Ling told prescriptiononline.com's attorney that he was concerned about the volume of controlled substances. Sherwood N. Cook wrote back that prescriptiononline.com believed that its product mix was consistent with that of other Internet pharmacies, and that "a majority of the drugs filled by Internet and mail-order pharmacies are controlled substances."

One of prescriptiononline.com's customers was Nancy Harler, a former nurse, of Columbia, S.C. She had been getting her painkillers from thepillbox.com. But after that site's legal problems arose, prescriptiononline.com began filling her orders for hydrocodone.

Harler said she had started ordering hydrocodone online for migraines and arthritis in February 2000. In all, she estimated that she spent $10,000 and used more than 1,500 pills. "It just got to the point where I was no longer in control and knew I needed help," she said.

Harler is now undergoing methadone treatment for her addiction, which she said was fed by the online pharmacies. "If you ask them anything about the money, they say we'll be glad to pull the plug. They know they have addicts on the line," she said.

Most of prescriptiononline.com's customers sought painkillers. The Post's analysis showed nearly 90 percent of the orders were for controlled substances, including hydrocodone and the generic equivalents of Valium and Xanax.

For years, hydrocodone has been one of the most used and abused drugs, according to the DEA. Sales have soared, and so have thefts of the drug and hydrocodone-related emergency room admissions.

The street value of hydrocodone is also climbing, said Tony King, the agent in charge of the DEA's Louisville office. A single generic tablet that costs an online pharmacy 15 cents may be sold to Internet customers for $1.50. On the street, that same tablet may go for "$3 to $5," King said. Overall sales of hydrocodone in Kentucky have doubled in the past four years, to 120 million tablets.

The surge began a few years back, when doctors alarmed by OxyContin abuse began switching patients to hydrocodone, King said. "But hydrocodone is equally dangerous," he said. "It's kind of like: Do you use a .38- or .40-caliber gun to shoot yourself?"

A breakdown of prescriptiononline.com's sales by Zip code revealed that four of every 10 pills flowed into Alabama, Tennessee, Louisiana and Kentucky. Those four states routinely rank among the top five nationally in the per-capita use of hydrocodone and Xanax, according to law enforcement data.

The pills poured into small towns. In Hope, Ky., with a population of 152, customers bought 7,910 pills -- an average of 52 pills for each resident. In Gunlock, Ky., population 430, customers bought 2,910 pills, about seven per person. By contrast, in Louisville, Kentucky's biggest city with a population of 206,239, customers bought 5,810 pills, about 0.03 per person.

In some cases, these orders went to multiple customers listed at the same address. For example, over five months 2,030 pills were shipped to five customers at one home in Baileyton, Ala. More than 80 percent were hydrocodone.

In an interview, Opsahl, the California physician who wrote the prescriptions, said he was aware that customers occasionally listed the same address, but not to the extent detailed in The Post analysis. "I didn't have that data at the time," he said, calling the information "very disturbing. You've presented some information that certainly gives me some pause how this whole system can be blatantly abused and easily abused."

Still, Opsahl maintained that most Internet patients have legitimate needs.

That view is not shared by Mike Vories, a physician who runs a pain management clinic in Hazzard, Ky.

"How in the world does an Internet Web site have any control over whether that controlled substance is going to a patient with a legitimate complaint?" he wondered. "Really, come on. Let's call this for what it is. A few maybe are legitimate and have pain. For the majority, it is a source of income."

Long Investigation

Alarmed by prescriptiononline.com's sales of controlled substances, Nevada regulators alerted the Las Vegas office of the DEA in the summer of 2001. Ling hoped for quick action. But the investigation stretched over months.

In the fall of 2001, DEA agents made undercover purchases from the Web site. In March 2002, DEA agents searched prescriptiononline.com's small office and seized business records. But the agents allowed the company to remain in business.

It would be 10 months before the DEA took away prescriptiononline.com's license to sell narcotics, declaring it "an imminent danger to the public health and safety" and seizing 21 boxes of drugs worth $143,000. By then, the company had moved about 1.8 million more doses of dangerous drugs.

When the DEA acted, the pharmacy board formally accused prescriptiononline.com of more than two dozen violations, including dispensing dangerous drugs where there was no valid physician-patient relationship.

On Jan. 22, Michael Cosenza and prescriptiononline.com agreed to relinquish the company's license and pay $200,000 in fines. The deal prohibited Cosenza or any member of his family from applying for a pharmacy license in Nevada for two years.

Melissa Cosenza did not attend the hearing.

This article appeared in the Washington Post on October 20, 2003.
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Re: www.pillbox.com busted? [Re: patient2all]
      #162888 - 05/18/04 11:10 AM

Wow, I remeber that place, brings back memories. First OP I ever used. I guess they got out of hand with it all, plus the DEA is being so anal about all this instead of trying to curb the real drug crime like crack.
I think Doctor Dale passed away from cancer, please correct me if I am wrong but that is what I was told a year ago.


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Re: www.pillbox.com busted? [Re: DrugBuyers]
      #162899 - 05/18/04 11:46 AM

DB,

Quote:

It was the pillbox.com




This phrase makes it look like the site referred to is pillbox.com. It's amazing what difference a small space can make!

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Re: www.pillbox.com busted? [Re: patient2all]
      #162992 - 05/18/04 06:43 PM

They shut this operation down years ago. Anyway, since the subject resurrected itself here, yesterday i visited www.thepillbox.com and the web page message below came up. All web servers will log the IP of the requester and the referring site that is DB. They can have fun going through the logs. Right now their server is not replying to HTTP, but a ping on the domain name shows the DNS request is redirected to a live server somewhere that responds to ping. Gee, if they want to hide their server's status, it's easy to turn off ping. Makes it easier to check and see if the machine is running.

C:\>ping thepillbox.com

Pinging web1.redirect.dea.gov [65.207.69.187] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 65.207.69.187: bytes=32 time=125ms TTL=115
Reply from 65.207.69.187: bytes=32 time=127ms TTL=115
Reply from 65.207.69.187: bytes=32 time=124ms TTL=115
Reply from 65.207.69.187: bytes=32 time=125ms TTL=115

Ping statistics for 65.207.69.187:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 124ms, Maximum = 127ms, Average = 125ms

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Maybe they let it ping because they have it on a commercial server:
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Domain Query Results

UUNET Technologies, Inc. UUNET65 (NET-65-192-0-0-1)
65.192.0.0-65.223.255.255
NVA Netsearch UU-65-207-69-128-D3 (NET-65-207-69-128-1)
65.207.69.128-65.207.69.191
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Traceroute didn't show much except that the server's location appeasr to be near Phoenix, AZ. They probably have a contract with UUNET to host all their seized domain names:

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Trace Route
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Toronto, Canada

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Houston, Texas USA

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London, UK

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3 border6.fe5-1.rackspace-1.lon.pnap.net 212.118.242.133 AS15570 2 2 2
4 core2.ge0-1-bbnet2.lon.pnap.net 212.118.240.98 AS15570 16 16 16
5 ge-2-0-129.ipcolo2.London1.Level3.net 212.113.11.137 AS9057/AS3356 2 2 2
6 ae-0-51.mp1.London1.Level3.net 212.187.131.1 AS9057/AS3356 2 2 3
7 so-3-0-0.mp1.London2.Level3.net 212.187.128.46 AS9057/AS3356 3 3 3
8 as-0-0.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net 4.68.128.102 AS3356 80 80 80
9 so-0-1-0.mp2.Phoenix1.Level3.net 64.159.1.122 AS3356 146 146 146
10 so-9-0.hsa1.Phoenix1.Level3.net 4.68.113.254 AS3356 143 143 143
11 unknown.Level3.net 63.214.160.138 AS3356 142 142 142
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Yesterday, this is what the site served up in my web browser:

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[graphic of U.S. flag and DEA logo]
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By application of the United States Drug Enforcement Administration, the website you are attempting to visit has been forfeited by the United States District court for the Western District of Texas, San Antonio Division, pursuant to Title 21 United States Code, Section 853(a)(2). The owner of this website was convicted of violating Title 21 United States Code, Section 841 – illegally dispensing controlled substances. The dispensing of controlled substances without a legitimate medical purpose established by a valid physician-patient relationship is a federal offense punishable by a term of imprisonment of up to 20 years.
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So there you have it. Apparently, this is how DEA takes over commercial web sites that they've closed down. The DEA did not let the registration lapse. www.pillbox.com is a different site entirely.

Trampy

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Re: www.pillbox.com busted? [Re: Trampy]
      #163204 - 05/19/04 03:51 PM

Yeah, the DEA probably keeps the site up if for no other reason than to try to warn potential purchases against purchasing from other sites. I love the big American flag. Be proud to be American and shut down OP's! Its our civic duty! Freedom fries for all! How obnoxious.

A few other comments after reading the article:

1) Sure some people are dying from obtaining meds online. Just like people die from malpractice, and bad doctors prescribing pills they shouldn’t. For example, I know of several doctor's in NYC that operate as a prescription dispensary basically writing whatever prescription anyone wants, for a fee of course. This is all not excusing the excesses of OP's. I'm just saying they should not be made the scapegoat for a failed drug policy in this country. Its very interesting that we have some of the toughest drug laws in the western world, spend more money per capita by far than any other country on interdiction and yet we have the highest percentage of illegal drug use by far. In fact the U.S. has a higher percentage of daily Marijuana smokers than the Netherlands where it legal (or at least quasi-legal; you can buy it and use it in a coffeeshop without fear of hassle). When is a politician going to have the guts to admit the drug laws are not working and we need to explore other options?? Wake up America!
2) There are millions of American’s without health insurance. And millions of others who don’t have prescription drug benefits. Do you blame some of them for looking for the cheapest way to obtain meds that in many cases they really need?
3) The DEA is in way over its head when it comes to OP’s. Which I think is good news for us. It took them so long just to shut this one; they don’t have a prayer of shutting them all down unless significant extra funds and political attention gets paid to the matter. And with Iraq, terrorism and the election year I wouldn’t expect it any time soon. Also, being in over their head they are more interested in arresting the people that run the OP's and shutting them down than busting every customer who ordered valium from them. Most DEA visits to customers I have heard about were more scare tactics and trying to gether information about the OP they ordered from.... Then again, if we hear about a group of high school kids who OD’ed on Oxy they ordered off the internet and then all bets are off….


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Re: www.pillbox.com busted? [Re: Sweetz]
      #163822 - 05/21/04 04:07 PM

Looks like I was at the wrong site, confused, or that I was not the only one, or that the two sites were connected. In any case I am still confused and do not feel like checking everything again. :-) Sorry.
I went there, pillbox.com, again and clicked on the pharmacy link, thepillbox.com, which I did not see before, and found this:

Quote:

By application of the United States Drug Enforcement Administration, the website you are attempting to visit has been forfeited by the United States District court for the Western District of Texas, San Antonio Division, pursuant to Title 21 United States Code, Section 853(a)(2). The owner of this website was convicted of violating Title 21 United States Code, Section 841 – illegally dispensing controlled substances. The dispensing of controlled substances without a legitimate medical purpose established by a valid physician-patient relationship is a federal offense punishable by a term of imprisonment of up to 20 years.




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patient2all
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Re: www.pillbox.com busted? [Re: DrugBuyers]
      #163894 - 05/21/04 11:24 PM

We've got far bigger problems that need to be addressed now!

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patient2all

It's a sad world, getting sadder by the day....


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