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jritchie82
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Really weird PM Doc Experience, age discrimination
      #161194 - 05/11/04 09:42 AM

Well folks, it Tis I JR once again with a rather odd update.

Went to my PM Doctor for a follow up after my unsuccessful Thoracic Epidural. I told him about how the pain became worse after the procedure.. He sat there looking at my records for a while and told me that I "know too much" being in the medical field at age 21. This is how the conversation started.. And it got weirder he proceeded to tell me that I was F**ked, he used that term.. The F word and all.. And he proceeded to use that term throughout the appointment. Now I'm all cool with a doctor trying to bring himself "Down to an age group" but this is ridiculous!

He then told me he would like to start me on long term opiod therapy because that I had very very real pain.. But then he sat silent for a minute and said.. "Considering you are just a young man going on 22 years old, I guess medication would be a bad idea". He then proceeded to tell me that if he prescribed for my pain that I would become an "Addict".. I stared at him in disbelief once again, and then spoke up and told him that 1. If someone is in chronic pain, which isn't helped by a more conservative method such as the epidural he gave me (which failed) and they have a valid need for such medication one doesn't become an addict..

His response was "JR look at it this way, you are at a fork in the road right now, and also look at it from this analogy - You are like a fish in a fishbowl that jumped out because his little castle is burning in the bowl. Now he's laying on the counter unable to breath" he then proceeded to say "JR you are like this fish, either way you go you will be F'd" He then proceeded to tell me about a prosthetic disc surgery.

He began by telling me that he would never have it unless he would be "Crippled if he wouldn't have the surgery, or that he had a cancerous growth on the disc".. I stared at him again and said "So doc what do I do?".. He proceeded to tell me the names of various neurosurgeons that would do this surgery.. Then I reminded him that I already had been to a neurosurgeon (and stated his name) and that he told me that "he wouldn't touch my back with a ten foot poll". The neurosurgeon I mentioned, who I had seen is one of the top experts in this field. So Mr. PM Doc told "I guess that is one fork in the road we won't travel then"...

So I asked him again "What do I do now?". He told me "JR again, I'd put you on Opiate therapy because you are obviously in alot of pain, but again you are 21 going on 22 and you will become and ADDICT. Not only that your performance at the hospital will lower, your family bond will be destroyed, and you will be in a constant state of numbness".. This statement he made really ticked me off, because the pain has caused all of the above, the horrible pain. And I told him this point blank.. And again his response was "JR, you are really (F Word) F'd.".......... I can't believe this.. Isn't this denying care to a patient? Isn't this completely wrong? Isn't this really bad Dr. Conduct? To tell me this is what you need, but you can't have it because you'll become an addict? And I talked to him at length what my definition of an addict was.. But he didn't want to hear it.

This is a point blank case of denying care due to age discrimination.. Not only that but he went on to explain that he treats people who are 30 years older than me with opiate therapy, that lead totally productive lives and told me he feels comfortable doing this because "Older people do not become addicts, that medication effects older people different, and that older people do not need the same amount of medication as a young person like yourself". This totally contradicted his above statement about a medication regiment causing me so many problems..

If it can help "Older People be more productive, and lead normal lives" WHY THE HECK CAN'T IT DO THE SAME FOR ME! I went on to explain to him this but he again said "Son, you know too much for someone your age, even considering you are in the medical field. You can study the PDR all that you want (I never told him I did) but the fact remains that if you looked up Aspirin in the PDR and read all the side effects you would never want to take it" And he further stated that "Again, due to your AGE I do not want to start you on a pain medicine regiment"..

So I asked him point blank "Are you giving up on me". And he stated "I've been in this field for 12 years, and the older people never become addicted, not one. I wish I could say the same for the people in your age bracket"......... My jaw dropped to the floor.. He told me to follow him to the billing area where he wrote me a script for 50 7.5 lortabs and I thanked him because I was in horrible pain, and still am.. He replied by saying "Don't get used to it, we are getting a traction machine (he called it a chiropractor in a box) and I think you will benefit highly from it"

So.. Is your head spinning like mine is? After his speal about not prescribing me anything because "blah blah blah, ad nauseum" he goes and writes me a script? What do you think of this guy, and his situation? What should I do? Is the OP Route the way to go like YOD? I feel that I'm in a maze and can't find my way out.... I just don't know what to do..

He's got me so scared now I'll become an "ADDICT" because I need pain medication to live a normal life......... Any input you guys have would be greatly appreciated. And I apologize for the long rambling post.
Sincerely,
-JR


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apkjezebel
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Re: Really weird PM Doc Experience, age discrimination [Re: jritchie82]
      #161222 - 05/11/04 11:25 AM

I think first i would be finding out who to call to file a complaint against him. No doctor should use the f word to you, even if he's trying to be cool. Plus, he really did nothing to help you. I hurt my back when i was 24, workmans comp, all over with now. I'm 30 now, can barely walk, can't take my 4 year old out to play. You get my drift. I think i would try to get a second opinion if you can.

You are not going to become an addict because of your age. I've been on lortab 10/500 off and on for 2 years. Sometimes i've went a couple of months with out them because i couldn't afford an office visit. I don't have insurance. I've just had to deal with the pain, not fun, but i haven't had withdrawal's from not having my pain meds. I really don't have any advice except i would file a complaint against him. No doctor should treat a patient like that. No matter how old they are. Take care and i hope you get the help you need. And yes my head is spinning. He would have gotten the full strength of my temper if it had been me sitting there.

Lisa

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Re: Really weird PM Doc Experience, age discrimination [Re: jritchie82]
      #161239 - 05/11/04 11:42 AM

Unbelievable JR. This is ridiculous, this is absurd. Just because you're young you are being discriminated against. Report this doctor, and find a new doctor that doesn't have his head up his A$$. I just don't understand these doctors - I'm not young, but I have "rosy" cheeks so I couldn't possibly be having chronic pain that requires opioid therapy. This guy sounds like a real piece of work, don't let it discourage you - keep looking and good luck to you.

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Re: Really weird PM Doc Experience, age discrimination [Re: Sky_Queen]
      #161242 - 05/11/04 11:51 AM

I agree with everyone. First of all that kind of 'language' is totally unprofessional and I think he should be reported simply for that in itself, but age has nothing to do with pain and addiction. That is the most ridiculous thing I think I've heard someone report on this board about what a Dr has said to them so far! Drop him like a hot potato and find a new Dr. ASAP!! Good luck!

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Re: Really weird PM Doc Experience, age discrimination [Re: jritchie82]
      #161262 - 05/11/04 12:44 PM

WOW - I can identify with your experience. I have had to on two occassions remind Dr's about their hippocratic oath to 'relieve suffering'. And if the memory of their oath won't work then get a new doctor - or better yet get treatment at ER for a while - the DR's there will find you a DR willing to do pain management - just so they don't see you as often!

I know it sound silly - but if you can say to a new DR 'I've been using 20mg morphine at ER three times a week for pain - wouldn't the NORCO have less chance of addiction?' They really get the point.

According to the Federal Chronic suffers rights bill - you have a right to be pain free (or reduced) and a chance at a normal life. But not all states have local bills - where they don't the bored DEA agents harrass doctors doing their job.

In my case I've been on pain meds 10 years (not all at once - after a surgery I had 3 years pain free) and have managed to avoid addiction/tolerance since I have less pain 2 days a week. and even if I'm bed ridden 1 day out of ten - I'd rather do that than deal with ANOTHER ADDICTION (I'm 10 years in AA NA - still smoke ciggys).

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Re: Really weird PM Doc Experience, age discrimina [Re: jritchie82]
      #161264 - 05/11/04 12:51 PM

That sounds familiar, when I was younger Dr.s were more hesitant to provide anything that was addicting, as I am much older now, they seem not too concerned with addiction.

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Tiff151
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Re: Really weird PM Doc Experience, age discrimination [Re: jritchie82]
      #161272 - 05/11/04 01:29 PM

That is terible! How unprofesional of him I can see as you said trying to act like a peer but that is over the line. I am not sure what to say except hang in there and maybe you can report him I have had the same problem and I am currently looking into filling a complaint with the state medical board there is a form you can print out and an 800 # complaint line. they also have a policie regarding chronic pain which states no one should have to live with chronic pain when there is sufficaint evidance of injuries causing the pain. Good luck and thanks to all of you helped me advocate for myself!

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Re: Really weird PM Doc Experience, age discrimination [Re: jritchie82]
      #161284 - 05/11/04 02:07 PM

That is so sad that a professional
can't act like one and do the job
he was educated to do I would
turn this guy in because I think
he is

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Re: Really weird PM Doc Experience, age discrimination [Re: Dyno]
      #161314 - 05/11/04 04:06 PM

JR, you are not alone! I'm a little over 10 years your senior and my doc. is giving me havoc beyond comprehension with the same philosophy your doc is! I just posted about it this morning elsewhere... how it disgusts me to hear I'm too young to need more than 25 5/325 percocet a month... even though they allow me to do things I would otherwise not be able to... I still play volleyball, I clean my parents horses stalls... play with my daughter at the park- racing, tag, etc. And to hear that if I were 80 and the pain meds would allow me to ride a jackhammer, then they could see it... it's disgusting! I'm looking for a new doc. myself. That's my advice.

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Re: Really weird PM Doc Experience, age discrimination [Re: Greycie]
      #161359 - 05/11/04 06:35 PM

All I can say is unbelievable. My jaw dropped to the floor when I read your post.

Can you find another PM in your area? I sure hope so.
Op's have saved my life. There are obvious reasons why OP's are in business, because of Docs like the one you encountered.
Many of us here are able to function a bit because of the few OP's that we have left.

When our options run out I have not a clue as to what all of us will do.

Pain is what a Patient say's it is. Doctors need to start hearing this. Highly unlikley, but it is what the Chronic Pain Patient deserves, any patient in pain for that matter. Treatment for pain should not be like trying to gain entry into Fort Knox.

I feel empathy for all that have to suffer in pain and get by with a limited supply of medication. It is just the tip of the iceberg.

My vision for the future is that not one person has to suffer in pain. I just do not know where to start, who would listen and so on. There are many organizations to fight this cause but no major changes have occured in our favor.

I get very frustrated every time I read a post like yours, our Healthcare system and Doctors should show more concern for their patients.

It is not until some of them walk in our shoes and the tables are turned that their opinion about pain and treatments will change. I do not wish pain on anyone, but they are clueless and or uncaring to pain issues.

Not all but the majority have no compassion and lack the knowledge to treat pain, especially chronic pain. It is easy enough when one has acute pain due to an accident for example, (a broken leg) to get short term relief. But as time goes on and the pain is still there patients are made to feel like drug addicts and pressured into not asking for pain medication.

I am sorry for you and other patients in your situation. I am not proud to be part of our nations dysfunctional healthcare system. I help one patient at a time and advocate for them when pain is an issue. I become a Doctors worst nightmare when I have a patient in pain.
I wish more Nurses would protect their patients rights for proper care.

Maybe education is what is needed to change the way Doctors and Nurses envision pain managment. I may have just found my next goal for the future.

Frustration and complaining is not getting me anywhere nor helping anyone.

This is why I belong to this wonderful board, people understand and support each other.

I wish you much luck and many positive thoughts sent your way to find somebody that will treat your pain. In the mean time OP'S are there and available.


JenRn


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Re: Really weird PM Doc Experience, age discrimination [Re: jritchie82]
      #161362 - 05/11/04 06:42 PM

Unacceptable behaviour from a professional, to say the very least.
Do as I do, and go into your appointments at all times 'wearing a wire'. I take a tape recorder in (miniature, in my vest pocket) to record what is said. Sometimes it is incredible what is said, and you can capture the most unbelievable Best if kept off the board: unethical, disrespectful and of course, nonsense.

For instance, it can be fun if only to see the expression on their self-satisfied faces after you tell them; "so you think you're going to tell the DEA on MY drug use? you think you've got s^$t on me? I've got something on you, my friend, you'll be lucky if you're still practicing after this!" uh...this never happened to me, but I ran out of drugs early (ONCE) and developed an incredible paranoia since then...my fault.


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Re: Really weird PM Doc Experience, age discrimination [Re: jritchie82]
      #161406 - 05/11/04 08:10 PM

JR I had to visit several PM DR'S before I found one that I could get along with.Some treated my pain some wouldn't.But as others have said already find another PM DR.I hope it works out for you..pm me if you want a litle extra info...P

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Re: Really weird PM Doc Experience, age discrimination [Re: jritchie82]
      #161648 - 05/12/04 04:20 PM

theres a lot of people on this board and in the world who are older than your age bracket and are hooked on opioids. amazing that he says he never had problems with people oder than your age bracket. nothing more to say about this....

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