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mizzzj
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Re: BUP INJECTION AND FREAKIN OUT! HELP PLEASE [Re: myrrine]
      #158752 - 05/01/04 01:47 PM

Hi Myrrine,
This might sound stupid, if its no help at least I tried. Cut to half your normal use. This may be difficult for about a week. If you still have pain, use Darvocet 100N. Get it from a US Doc. Tell him you developed an allergic reaction to your other medication and now have chronic itching. I took it when I broke my arm (DarocetN100). It works and won't lay you out cold. Dr's give to women who've had c-cections and it never kept me from driving, shopping...etc, but of course its better to take it easy.. I hope the best for you, and if you're thinking of a baby, go to a homeopathic specialist. If you find a good and knowelgeable one, you'll never have to worry about a thing. So look now and talk to as many homeopathic specialists as you can find. The good ones will give you information. The idiots try to sell you cr**.
You can PM me the details of the pain you suffer and I will do my best to help. J~

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mizzzj
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Re: BUP INJECTION AND FREAKIN OUT! HELP PLEASE [Re: justforu]
      #158825 - 05/01/04 11:22 PM

If one medication doesn't work, don't fight it. There are other meds out there that can help you. Sometimes the best thing to do is some research of your own. Tell the Doctor that your treatment is not working and specifically what you want. You should not be going through agonizing withdrawals. There are many Bup success stories, but methadone might work better for you. Even after the detox, you may need a very low dose of the hair of dog that bit you plus Valium to help you taper off completely.
The whole process could take a year of carrying out a good treatment plan. You did not develop dependency overnight, so do expect to kick it overnight either. There just is no easy way, but you shouldn't suffer, while you are going through this. The suffering you describe is unthinkable. Doctors try to lump everybody into one catagory, but people are very different. You may need to go through several trial and errors, but if something doesn't work, YEll and tell your Doctor that you have to try something different. You are the one that lives in your body. Don't let a doctor tell you how you should feel. If it doesn't feel right, demand a different treatment plan and this may mean changing Doctors. Don't give up. You can get through this! J~

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Re: BUP INJECTION AND FREAKIN OUT! HELP PLEASE [Re: Yeppers]
      #158838 - 05/02/04 12:28 AM

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So instead of the hydro, this am I took 3, .2mg temgesic. Waited an hour. Not much relief from w/d so I took 30mg of hydro, despite reading that the hydro 'couldn't get in'. I have not gotten 'high' on hydro for a long, long time. Just been taking it to avoid w/d. Now I feel depressed and lethargic, but no full blown w/d, and don't know whether it the tems worked or the hydro? What should I do now? Keep taking the hydro, or take the temgesic. (I only have about 30 of them).





You are not taking NEARLY enough bupe. Like I said in the other thread, you gotta stop messing around with self-treating your own addiction and get some professional help. You called 2 doctors- call 10 and leave messages, what harm is there in that? I don't know where you live, but so what, you have to drive an extra hour? What difference does an extra hour make compared to the potential benefit?

You did not give bupe a shot- you gave it a shot that was destined to fail, even if you didn't know that. .6 mg is crazy, you should be on 8 mg IMO (and that's 8, not .8- multiply by 10).

My advice at this point:
1) Call at least 8 more doctors and leave messages. Ask them about pharmacies or find out if a nearby pharmacy can order it, then possibly the refills could be called in for you if you need it to be that way. Make it clear that you will be in wd soon and need treatment ASAP, keep making that point, you may find a very compassionate doctor who will get you in last-minute. Don't be pessimistic about that if you haven't tried.

2) Type up a list of all the bad things hydro has done to you- forget the good things. Print this out and keep it in your pocket. Be brutally honest with yourself, someone has to look at for number one. Refer to this when you inevitably think "yeah, there were bad times, but I really wanna just get high- how come no one understands that?" Plenty of people understand that, they're your fellow addicts, even if they don't openly say it- they want to get high too. They've just developed some coping skills that got them clean time and made the cravings et al. better each day.

3) There is no such thing as "one last high" so don't be tempted to achieve one, before or after you get treatment. Make it through until you get the doctor's appointment. You will get high anyway because you want to "get it all out" but that will never happen. Once you adopt a treatment plan, don't give it up in exchange for a high you were barely getting in the first place that caused so much havoc- one high is all it takes to do that, ask ANY addict.

4) Speak with your Sub doctor about maintenance- forget detox. Stay on it and readjust to a better life in the real world. You MUST have adequate dosing, I cannot stress that enough, it makes all the difference in how successful the drug will be.

5) If Sub *honestly* isn't working for you and be very honest with yourself, get on methadone detox- don't stay on methadone too long. You need some discipline to do this, as Trampy pointed out, but you have to do something other than live the life you were previously leading that was only going to get worse.

6) If methadone fails you, go to inpatient rehab and stay as long as you need. For some people, this is truly the only way- let's hope it doesn't come to that. I myself don't think it will- I think Suboxone/Subutex will work for you and bupe is the answer, you just have had inadequate dosing schedules.

7) If inpatient detox fails you, admit that you are not ready to get C&S (Clean & Sober). Get on methadone maintenance or buprenorphine maintenance (preferably, as you don't want to get a worse addiction). Go seek the best mental help you can find- you need at the very least a drug counselor to see regularly. A PhD'd psychologist specializing in additiction is better IMO.

Btw, if you intellectually want to quit, but can rationalize or just don't care and want to get high anyway, realize that the addict brain is closely linked to primal urges. Give yourself a break and admit you have a disease. It will take time for things to get better- just worry about today, screw the past and screw the future, just keep things up for today. You could get hit by a bus tomorrow and die, the future isn't here yet, nor can you change the past.

8) If all else has failed, get back on hydro and wait to bottom out. Expect to be on stronger, more expensive drugs and struggling uncontrollably. Eventually the bottoms will reach their final bottom and you will have no other way to go but towards sobriety. Who knows what shape your life will be in at that point if you're even still alive, but maybe you'll have no other choice but to get clean. PLEASE do everything in your power to avoid letting it get to this point- withdrawal gets progressively worse each time, you need to be proactive.


I hope that helped. Also realize that as an addict, you are very instant-fix oriented. Welp, there is no instant gratification when it comes to quitting addiction, and that's quite a big trap of the disease. You will need to give up on the idea that it's possible to get out of this loan of borrowed good feelings without paying interest- ain't gonna happen. Just don't keep borrowing more, and pay off the interest quickly at first so you feel better later. It WILL get better- that I promise you.

You may PM me any time you want to talk about this. I'm sorry if this post sounded harsh, but you are headed down a bad road and I can't just give you a "awww, you have my sympathies, let's cry together" post- ethically I can't do anything other than try to reinforce and get across to you what you need to do for yourself.

Good luck!

-yawkaw


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Re: BUP INJECTION AND FREAKIN OUT! HELP PLEASE [Re: Yeppers]
      #159064 - 05/03/04 11:29 AM

When you guys call to get into these programs, what do you tell the doctors? when they ask where have you been getting your hydro. cause i am getting mine from Op's do you tell him that? i am thinking about a program for myself, but i am a bit confused on how to go about it. i would like to get off of the hydro once and for all. I live in a rural area, and also does insurance cover? anyone? thanks, karib

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Re: BUP INJECTION AND FREAKIN OUT! HELP PLEASE [Re: yawkaw3]
      #159067 - 05/03/04 11:36 AM

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2) Type up a list of all the bad things hydro has done to you- forget the good things. Print this out and keep it in your pocket. Be brutally honest with yourself, someone has to look at for number one. Refer to this when you inevitably think "yeah, there were bad times, but I really wanna just get high- how come no one understands that?" Plenty of people understand that, they're your fellow addicts, even if they don't openly say it- they want to get high too. They've just developed some coping skills that got them clean time and made the cravings et al. better each day.

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ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!

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THE_POSTMAN
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Re: BUP INJECTION AND FREAKIN OUT! HELP PLEASE [Re: justforu]
      #159087 - 05/03/04 01:15 PM

Your BUP injections are in the federal drug classification of V (such as codiene cough syrup) as hydro's are Schedule III, the lower the # the more addicting and stronger. That is the reason for feeling lousy, going thru withdrawls. Good Luck, hope you well.

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Re: BUP INJECTION AND FREAKIN OUT! HELP PLEASE [Re: yawkaw3]
      #159133 - 05/03/04 03:10 PM

Quote:

So instead of the hydro, this am I took 3, .2mg temgesic. Waited an hour. Not much relief from w/d so I took 30mg of hydro, despite reading that the hydro 'couldn't get in'. I have not gotten 'high' on hydro for a long, long time. Just been taking it to avoid w/d. Now I feel depressed and lethargic, but no full blown w/d, and don't know whether it the tems worked or the hydro? What should I do now? Keep taking the hydro, or take the temgesic. (I only have about 30 of them).





another quote -- You are not taking NEARLY enough bupe. [cut] You did not give bupe a shot- you gave it a shot that was destined to fail, even if you didn't know that. .6 mg is crazy, you should be on 8 mg IMO (and that's 8, not .8- multiply by 10).


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Now I'm really confused....this poster said he was taking 3 .2 mg of Temgesic, and the always helpful yawkaw said that that is not nearly enough, but isn't .2 of temgesic the same as 2? Like when I read the posts about taking temgesic, they said to take about a total of 8 pills a day to start, and they are .2 each.

They also didn't work that well for me and did not take away my withdrawals. I tried it a couple of times for a few days and felt awful, and then I would take a T4 and feel much better. Are we SURE that the temgesics we order from say 247pharmacy do contain antagonists? It just didn't seem that way to me. I understand this thread is about a few different things, the bupe shots and the tem pill, but the quote I am referring to is about the tem pills.

Thanks, Pinkie


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