DrugBuyers.Com: Need more info on Temgesic

In response to the previous post...

As a warning to heroin users considering the use of Temgesic as a means to kick a serious habit, I think it is VERY important to emphasize that unless the user first manages to somehow decrease the magnitude of the habit, he/she will be in for some real suffering - the Temgesic will make him/her go into withdrawal as it kicks the H off the opiod receptors, and if the user has a serious habit, the tems won't be enough to keep the sick off. Because of the nature of Temgesic, it won't help to try taking more of it. Furthermore, since the tems binds more tightly to the receptors than H does, he/she won't even be able to get well by using H until the tems wears off (and it's a slow-acting one). It feels like a helpless nightmare!

I do think that Temgesic is great for various other opiod dependency kicking and for smaller H habits, but if you've got a serious H habit, I would HIGHLY recommend using methadone first (for the SHORTEST amount of time that you can possibly manage - decrease the meth doses fast and steep) to get your tolerance low enough so the Temgesic will not induce w/d. Although a short methadone stage is ideal, the important thing is to just get your habit down, so don't worry if you have to take meth over a longer time period.

Once you have reduced your methadone intake to a minimum amount, take your last tiny methadone dose and wait (I'll make my last dose an amount that doesn't completely ease my discomfort to ensure that the Temgesic will be effective). When you start to feel methadone withdrawal, it is at this time that you should start taking the Temgesic (and cease taking any more methadone). Provided that your habit has been reduced enough, The Temgesic will work its wonders and make you feel fine and perfectly normal (for me it makes me feel a whole lot better than being on methadone).

If your goal is to truly kick your habit, it's important to start weaning down your Temgesic intake right away to prevent addiction to it. Tems w/d may not be as bad, but it is likely to result in relapse, most likely back to using H. By reducing your Temgesic intake immediately, and taking it for only about a week or so (a short and steep reduction schedule), it is not too difficult, and respectively speaking, this process will seem like a miracle method of detox.

I like to take benzos while kicking the Temgesic (I prefer valium or xanax), but take particular precaution if you do so to prevent addiction and/or overdose (mixing with opiods including Temgesic can be deadly). It's best to start weaning down benzo intake right away as well, and limit your usage to the shortest amount of time as you can. I recommend taking various herbal remedies as you reduce taking the benzos (I find the tea forms to be most effective). If you have the resources to see a therapist and get a prescription, anti-depressants and/or other medications can be helpful at this point to prevent relapse and be truly successful in your endeavor to get clean.

Keep in mind through all of this that in addition to acute withdrawal, you have to deal with secondary withdrawal as well, during which it will be difficult to keep from relapsing. This period of secondary withdrawal is not as obvious as a stage of kicking, and so you might not be aware that you are going through it. Unfortunately, it also lasts a whole lot longer than acute withdrawal. Just keep reminding yourself during this stage that you are still going through the process of kicking - what you are experiencing is NOT indicative of what it will feel like once you are truly clean and finished kicking.

I just wanted to share this information to make sure that Temgesic is used properly, so that people using it to kick a serious H habit can find it effective (and not dismiss its values because of a negative experience). Of course, if your H habit is not too serious, you won't need to go through the whole hassle of reducing your habit with methadone first. However, I once tried to reduce my H use by simply weaning down without methadone, and although I had reduced my habit considerably, it wasn't enough - I immediately went into w/d and there was nothing I could do to ease my suffering for what seemed like forever.

Please keep in mind that I am referring specifically to the Temgesic brand of buprenorphine, and NOT other brands, which are often mixed with opiod antagonists like naltrexone - the difference is significant - do NOT apply this information to brands/mixtures of buprenorphine other than Temgesic! I hope that this information has been helpful - good luck to all.