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Hi, I know this is off subject. There was another thread on tale tale pharmacists. I asked if most trouble makers where the women pharmacists as I have observed. I am also a woman so I am not being sexist. Thanks Sbell
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paleopaque
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I guess I'm not with the majority on this one, but my primary physician who is male rarely prescribes me the narcotic analgesics that I need for my IC pain. When I'm out of pain meds for the month, and I get a severe spasm, I head over to my emergency doctor at the 24 hour offices, and she always sends me home with enough medication to last me through each painful cycle. Whenever I complain to my primary physician he always has a "what do you want me to do about it" attitude, and since my HMO has appointed me to him, I'm **** out of luck... which is why I guess I've had to turn to OP.
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Chitownlady
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Generally, I have more luck with the foreign male doctors than anyone! My pcp, who is a female, when I ask for some hydros, will only write or call in a script for no more than 12-15 pills at a time. However, I have been seeing a new pcp, who is male, and gave me #30 hydros and a script of 60 Ultram right off the bat. go figure.
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I think this is a great thread and it's so interesting to read everyone's experience. Surprisingly - I'm among the minority here. I have had two GREAT pcp's (one male, one female) who were both fantastic about pain management. Oddly enough, the female (though excellent about prescribing hydro in decent quantities for pain) NEVER would prescribe codiene cough syrup! I asked 3 different times for something strong because I was being kept up at nite (REALLY bad bronchitis in each case) and she would always prescribe something but NEVER a narcotic cough med?? I always thought that was so strange because she had no problems with hydro for my pain? The male doc would ALWAYS prescribe the tussionex without any hesitation.
I've also been very lucky with my dentist. I've had the same dentist for 15 years and I think he is one of the nicest people on the earth.
I have found the absolute WORST docs for pain management are orthopedists. It doesn't matter if they are male or female. Everyone I have ever seen (and there have been many) either completely REFUSE to prescribe anything stronger than Motrin, or very grudginly prescribe Lortab 5. What is up with that??
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I agree about the orthopedic surgeons. My husband has had shoulder surgery, then last June he had knee surgery, and this doctor didn't want to give him anything, before or after the surgery. He actually did give him a few 5 mg Vicodin after, but not enough. My husband is still in pain, and this was that long ago. I think he kept giving him Naproxin. Now the doctor who did his shoulder gave him 5 mg Vicodin for like 8 months before his surgery, and 3 months after. He wasn't so bad, but the knee doctor would not give in for nothing.
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You are absolutely right about orthopedists. They act like they are doing you a big favor by prescribing an antinflammatory. Sheesh! I would love to find a good one, but I have pretty much given up on them.
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I just don't see any difference in female vs male docs and if they will prescrbe narcotics for pain, or severe cough. I had a male gyn for years who would give me tylox for my endometriosis without any problems until he fixed me up with laser surgery. His partner (also male) would give me Vicodin for UTIs. (Mine are very severe and the pain brings me to tears)
My PCP is male and will write for Norco for my migraines but not nearly enough to get me through the month, hence it's easier for me to use OPs. When I have bronchitis, both he and his female PAs give me Tussionex and an inhaler. One weekend I had a really bad bout of bronchitis that came on Friday but got worse on Sunday. Called the service. Told the jerk on call I had a tiny bit of codeine cough syrup left over but it is not even touching the cough and could I please have something stronger. The doc on call refused to give me any cough syrup. Asked him to please call my doctor to okay it. He knows me, knows I have taken stronger cough syrup before. Told me he doesn't know why any doc would prescribe any cough syrup at all. It's the body's natural way of getting rid of phlegm and if I don't cough it up, I will get pneumonia. Told him I can't sleep at night at all and it's non productive. Then he outright lies to me and says the strongest cough med is codeine, and to use what I have left. I was stunned. Told him thanks for nothing and I'll wait it out until my own doc is back on Monday. Monday morning, got in to see my doc who wrote for Tussionex and an antibiotic.
After my c-section my male OB tried telling me to take tylenol. I asked him if he was joking? He relented, and wrote for Demoral, and literally threw the script in my face and walked out of my hospital room.
I've seen female docs in the ER for gallbladder attacks and they wanted to write for IV morphine, which I refused. When my back went out my female PA wrote for percs.
I see no difference if someone is female or male. It's the person and their way of thinking. In my experience, gender makes no difference at all.
Just my two cents.
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Usually the gender is not the deciding factor, it is the steep penalties for some of these careless docs that are getting burned that is keeping most of the good docs from writing us much needed scripts for chronic pain. If you look back 8-10 years ago, docs would shovel out the pain meds if it was warranted, now that someone has abused them and OD'd on Oxycontin, you are blessed if your doctor will write you some Darvocet. I'm 6'6" tall and weigh over 240 lbs. and have built quite a tolerance to hydrocodone. Imagine my dissapointment when I go to a new doctor for a valid medical reason and he says "Oh, I don't give out pain medicine" or " Two Ultram a day is strong enough for you"! It makes me sick to even think about it, but it is just a pure example of how a few bad apples can spoil the whole bunch! Thanks for listening.
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My Dr. is from India, a male Dr., and he is the only one I have found who understands my condition and the debilitating effects of chronic pain. He originally started me on Tylox, progressed to oxycontin 40 mg., then to 80's, then 160's, and finally to the Duragesic patches. I currntly have 3 on at a time, and my Dr. is nothing but great about the whole thing. I've been to numorous Dr's and he is the only one who isn't afraid to prescribe the meds that really WORK. Call me lucky, but it was about Best if kept off the board time!
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SBELL
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What does best if kept off the board time mean? Sbell
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Chitownlady
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It means "better left unsaid".
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What does best if kept off the board time mean? Sbell
You must have typed a word that the filter caught.
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I've also visited female doctors and yes I agree with you, they are much more caring and attentive in listening to your problems, (almost maternal in nature). In fact, they care so much that they would hate to prescribe a narcotic, out of fear, that their patient might become addicted (and doesn't that happen anyway). But I have found that they are more willing to prescribe benzos, they sympathize with patients that are having a rough go at it. Whereas male doctors are much more willing to prescribe narcotics for pain, (cuz they understand that men tend to do more of the heavy physical work (grunt work), at least for some professions, and how easily a guy can pull his back out), but if you need a benzo for emotional relief, male doctors are hesitant about prescribing a benzo to a guy. They feel you should tough it out, physical pain they understand, emotional pain, they don't. Women doctors understand emotional pain, but not so much physical pain, in terms of what degree of pain a man feels vs what degree of pain a woman feels. Aside from doctors (male or female), studies have shown that the male brain is designed as such that it tends to process information in a logical manner, whereas female brains are designed to process information in an emotional manner. Which kind of explains why men and women were designed for compatiblity, they complement one another, of course you have to find that person that brings the best out of "U". I've found that when a girl talks to me about a certain crisis that entered her life, the best thing you can do for her is listen and comfort. My initial reaction was always to formulate a solution (logical thinking), but that wasn't what she wanted, she wanted me to listen (emotional need wanting to be met), if nothing else, give her your undivided attention, so she doesn't feel alone or uncared for. Believe me, women are resourceful, she'll find a solution on her own, just be there to support her when she does. Kewl!!
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"Best if kept off the board" should be changed to "[CENSORED]" as that would make infinitely more sense and we wouldn't have someone asking what was meant by "best if kept off the board" every day. But may god help me if I stray off topic.
Aaanyway, Reel_X makes an interesting point:
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Which kind of explains why men and women were designed for compatiblity, they complement one another, of course you have to find that person that brings the best out of "U". I've found that when a girl talks to me about a certain crisis that entered her life, the best thing you can do for her is listen and comfort. My initial reaction was always to formulate a solution (logical thinking), but that wasn't what she wanted, she wanted me to listen (emotional need wanting to be met), if nothing else, give her your undivided attention, so she doesn't feel alone or uncared for. Believe me, women are resourceful, she'll find a solution on her own, just be there to support her when she does.
Very true. And another thing-
Women tend to "network" when they have a problem. Have you ever noticed two women talking to each other in person? They always look each other directly in the eye and act like they are giving their full, undivided attention. They always give each other that little bit of respect and care. So I've found doing that helps as well, in preventing a woman from saying "Christ! Why can't you just listen to me???" Try looking for it sometime, they act like they are fascinated by what the other woman has to say.
But to bring this back on topic, the one female psychiatrist I saw did give me Ativan. I haven't seen enough female mental health workers to make any judgment like that, but I've never had a problem getting benzos except for one psychiatrist (a male who I had told I was on hydrocodone). Maybe he didn't want to give me another CNS depressant, maybe he wasn't compassionate, who knows- but I've never had trouble getting a benzo from any psychiatrist, male or female, except for that one guy.
-yawkaw
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I've found that when a girl talks to me about a certain crisis that entered her life, the best thing you can do for her is listen and comfort. My initial reaction was always to formulate a solution (logical thinking), but that wasn't what she wanted, she wanted me to listen (emotional need wanting to be met), if nothing else, give her your undivided attention, so she doesn't feel alone or uncared for. Believe me, women are resourceful, she'll find a solution on her own, just be there to support her when she does. Kewl!!
Reel,
Will you marry me? 
Jo
edited to add on-topic info:
I haven't really found any difference in prescribing habits between male and female doctors, in my experiences.
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Someone somewhere did a psychological study with male doctors and male vs female subjects, that were requesting pain meds.
summary...
Females with the exact symptoms were given narcotics more often and in larger amounts.
The study went one furthur and dressed up several woman vs "homely" women (no offense),and found that the doc is even more willing to give narcs to a pretty woman(maybe showing a little leg), and will presribe more of them.
The study continued and found very similar results with other common controled substances.
Drew
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Drew- I will have to agree on that one. I used to walk in front of my doctor's office every day to get to my gym for a work-out, and every day the doctor would be sitting at his desk, looking out the window, and smile and wave real big when he saw me. He was my doctor, but didn't really realize it cause I'd wear a hat to the gym. When I did see him instead of the nurse practicioner, he realized who I was, and gave me all the narcotics I needed. I suffer from migraines and TMJ. He was giving me 60 hydros a month for the TMJ and 30 Percocet a month. Sometimes I would call in a refill and he would ask me to come in for appt. first, then I would go in, all dressed up from being at work and he would just give me more and more. Needless to say, I became pregnant and had to stop all this so my ob/gyn contacted him about the amount I had been taking and if they should work together weaning me safely off of them, and the doc said he hadn't realized how many and how long he had been giving them to me. My ob/gyn was not happy with him, but I knew why he really gave me what I asked for. On the other hand, after I had my baby and had another migraine, his PA had to see me, female, and would only prescribe Tylenol 3. I would have to say in my case that the male doctor seemed to be more sympathetic. Even my neurologist, a male, seemed compassionate. I am not claiming to be a beauty queen, but have been complimented on my looks more than a few times, and it has seemed to work in my advantage, when the male doctor is concerned.
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Defintely,
If I see a pretty girl, I always go out of my way to hold the door for her, if she's lost and needs directions, I start by verbally instructing her what to do, but then (according to plan)half way through, I'm like "what don't I just show you, it will easier for you", and in the process of walking her to her destination, I'll strike-up a conversation, and then once she's relaxed and comfortable with me, then I kind go into a type of street style mode, (depending on what kind of girl she is, like if she's uptown with a "Coach" handbag and shops at "Lord and Taylor"), then I'm like more on the quiet side and in tune to what's she saying and all along agreeing with whatever opinions she has about whatever subject we're discussing in that moment of "space and time", and answering her positively and mix it with a little harmless humor (of the non-sexual type), all you see is their pearl(ly) whites constantly flashing and those eyes sparking, she's for "REEL", but she exists on a different plane, so I have to adapt my technique and become "REFINED" and "PATIENT", cuz the thing I've noticed about ritzy girls is that they don't jump into anything without first giving it some thought and if I make one mistake, I can lose her forever, for sure "Think before you speak", for these girls are educated and intellectuals, of course, I can emulate those mannerisms quite easily and project them outward for pinpoint accurancy . But if I meet-up with a home girl, then I can let my guard down a little, and with her we can talk about anything and she's up for anything. Like I can be let's go check-out some "TRANCE" tunes at the record shop, but before we go let share a "HAND-ROLLED FAT CIGAR", compliments of myself (like when you buy a drink for a girl in a bar that you don't even know, just to let her know that you're interested, with me I don't drink, so I have my own alternatives) and she's like "Yea, and staring and laughing with me", as we alter our "thought-processes" and enter a new realm, where laughter becomes central to the conversation and "TRANCE MUSIC" provides an environment of total "inhibition and a thought-provoking, free-flowing exchange of ideas and concepts and potential imaginary scenerios which always end with uncontrolled laughter" I watch her walk with her pierced "belly button" or a "pierced tongue", with "Henna Tattoos", "tight jeans with a tight shirt to match" and she wants to hang-out at "Greenwich Village", in that case, for me it becomes a free-for-all cuz that girl is for "REEL", I've spent days on end with girls and I've learned how to interact with them in a positive and nurturing manner. Girls or Women are "GIFTS" from "GOD" for men. They civilize men and in their own way help men understand themselves. I am totally dazzled and mesmerized by beautiful women, I wanna do whatever it takes to spend as time as I can with them. For they bring a sense of total and utter satisfaction and a complexity which challenges me both intellectually and physically. It's not the acquistion of a women that brings me happiness but the actual manuevering (both emotionally and physically) which brings about an "EUPHORIA". I think it's call "LOVE" or can it be "LUST"?, there's a fine line there, but all-in-all it's alot of "FUN". And we both love the interaction, don't we? "KEWL"!!
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Marriage, right now I kind of involved with a girl and am pretty happy with the direction the relatiohship is taking. She's always there smiling and she has most incredible eyes and she cooks well and conversates in a clear manner. We're like pieces of a puzzle, we fit right in. But "Joesentme" you sound like a beautiful and "KEWL" girl. Any guy whose luck enough to get with you will be the luckiest guy in the world, cuz he'll have "the perfect women" to spend the rest of his life with. Surely some of us take companionship for granted, when you all alone, then reality hits home and that's when you truly appreciated the opposite sex and gain a new found respect for them. And that's what I do, I respect all women, in my eyes all women possess beauty, intelligence, and love. And I know exactly what I have to do (as a man) to extract those qualities out of a woman and share some my own, bringing about an unbreakable bond of sorts and fulfilling social, intellecutal, and sexual needs. Thanx for the offer, I'm flattered and I know you're joking, but I thought I meet half-way and complete the interaction, cuz you are so for "REEL"!!! 
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LOL
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2muchpain
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Reel,
You are so KEWL! Your girlfriend is very lucky.
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This entire discussion has gone from interesting to funny! I love it!
Either way, here's my .02: As a female, my theory is that generally, a male doctor will prescribe the quick fix of narcotics or what-have-you, to "put the fire out," so-to-speak. Again, since I'm a gal, I don't know if male docs are as quick to prescribe pain meds to male patients, but for me, I get the sense that the male doctor just feels really, really bad for me (regardless of the origin of pain), and just wants to make it all better. They're not all quick with narcotics, though. My TMJ specialist would NOT prescribe anything stronger than Flexeril, which didn't work too great for me. But a visit to Urgent Care here in town with a male doctor on-call one time actually got me a shot of demerol for a bad headache, and I was just asking for a Soma! So you never know. My husband jokes that it's the age-old thing where if a woman cries, a man doesn't know what to do, and it's like a fire, and he just wants to put it out. Whatever it takes. Maybe the male docs are afraid we could start crying at any second, and they're trying to avoid it, whereas the female docs think they're "onto that trick." Ha ha.
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I have to agree with the majority here. But mostly I had to stop by to tell PrivateRealm her typo got past the sensor here...
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I'm up for it, in fact I seek out it. Afterall to me, there's nothing "better" then to spend time with a fasinating women who has a dazzling personality to match and to compliment her, a spell-binding face, (alot like you youself, I'm positive, the "VIBES" are there). Like for sure, you asked me how to get to the "Museum of Natural History", And I would say (Not "REELLY", but hell, I only have one chance and it's here now, if I don't time it right, you slip through my hands, forever leaving me in a state of "REGRET", or "WHAT IF"). I don't what to emotional experience that uncertainity, I "REELLY" want to try, can't blame me now can you  , "what a conincidence I was headed to the same destination, so we "criss-cross" through central park, and you "compelling" there's a slight wind in the air it gently send wisps of hair of it flowing back, which accentuates you eyes, which are beautiful and my target when we verbally interaction , and the wind blows gently across your face, you walk with a slight squint in your eyes beaming with confidence and a slight smile, and we begin to talk, and you tell me how you are just visiting and want to see some of the "noted" sights that "New York" is known for. And being the nice guy I am, I offered to show,accompany, protect, and guide you to the various locations. Now you feel special that a stranger (but a harmless one at that, you've already figured that out through that "never wrong" women's intuition which was in play and active all along), and we most spend the next days in travel and I spend the day watching the "wonderment" in your face, as you visit places, people, and situations for the first time (cuz I know of "scenarios", through my network of friends, co-workers, and family) that I try my best to always "recommend" and be at you "assistance" and "advise" you to the next destination, (afterall you are a guest). And we even spend days away from the city like we go to "Garden City", "Manhasset", and "Locust Valley", these are some more "affluent" areas of "Nassau County in "Long Island", then we go even further East and we end-up in the "Hamptons", and the last stop you have is the light house at "Mautauk Point" with a side trip to "Shelter Island". And even though the trips were solely for you "Pleasure" ( I've been there already), I "treasured" ever moment I was with you, cuz we both have positive "CHI", we were able to tap into one anothers "REALMS" and in the process achieve insight, knowledge, and companionship that can lead to other things, but for now, it's in the initial stage, I patiently wait for your "QUE" and our lives between interwined as you "LET ME IN!!"
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jskream
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Asalaamu Alaikum,
Perhaps it is a matter of age and not gender.
Younger doctors are more likely to have been indoctrinated in medical school about the evil opiates since anti-drug propaganda has been integrated into the curriculum. There are more female doctors in this generation than in previous generations due to sexism in prior generations and some cultural changes which now allow women to be admitted in proportionate rates. Thus, perhaps the perception that female doctors are less likely to script narcotics is due more to age than gender.
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