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happy_whales
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Hi
I havent done much bulletin boarding before and apologize if this seems long-winded. I am recovering from surgery now and seem to have more time on my hands than I know what to do with. A few days ago I found this site and deeply regret not stumbling on it before
I saw a posting from ArthurItis, wondering if Medscorp is a fraud, and thought that anyone who even thinks of doing business with that outfit should know what happened to me. (Yes, ArthurItis, they are located in Spain see below)
Id like to think that Im still pretty young I will turn 50 in less than a year. Last summer I had what felt like a flu. It went away, but strange things started happening to my joints. It wasnt exactly pain, but it seemed like all the joints in my wrists, hands, fingers, ankles, feet, and toes would itch. I know it may sound funny, but it was truly maddening the feeling was inside the joints themselves, a place you obviously cant scratch. It would be worst of all at night -- one morning my wife said that I was biting my knuckles while asleep. In the morning, the joints would feel stiff and burn a bit, but it was the night symptoms that were so difficult.
I didnt want to look like a whiner, and initially tried a few painkillers from the local supermarket. By August, however, I finally decided to make use of my HMO card. Now I know that our HMOs clinic is stuffed, in many cases, by residents (doctors in training). The resident who saw me said it was arthritis and gave me a prescription for Ibuprofen 400 mg to take two times a day. It didnt help. On the next visit they increased the dose. Still no improvement.
My wife found some Tylenol No.3 that her dentist prescribed a year before (she still had about 10 of them left) and I tried it Tylenol 3 didnt make it all go away, but at least I could sleep better. I mentioned this to my doctor the next time that I went for an appointment and asked for a prescription. She said that Tylenol 3 was the wrong medication and increased the Ibuprofen dose to 800 mg three times a day. This seemed to work during the day, but at night my joints would still drive me insane.
Looking through the internet, I found a site called pharmacysources.com, paid my registration fee and got a list of what supposed to be reputable sites that sell all sorts of drugs and medications. One of them was Medscorp.com. The site offered Analgiplus/Tylenol3. I ordered it and the next day received the invoice via e-mail (see EMAIL No. 1 below; I Xd out some of the identifying information for obvious reasons) After about four weeks of seeing the charge on my credit card bill, I e-mailed Medscorp.com to ask about the status of the order. I didnt receive a reply until the end of September when I was informed that Your order will be processed during the next 7 business days and dispatched according to our website information during the next business day after this. When the order did not arrive by the end of October, I sent more e-mails. Finally, in mid-November, I received a reply that said you must allow up to 60 business days (12 weeks) for delivery in order to confirm mail loss or seizure, after this we will offer you a solution in case your order has not been received.: (See EMAIL No. 2 below).
Meanwhile, I started seeing a different doctor at the same clinic. Once, I glanced over my chart up-side-down (as he was making notes in it) and saw a note written by the previous resident that. It said something about the fact that I exhibited drug seeking behaviour it must have been written in response to several requests of mine for a prescription of Tylenol 3. This got me really upset. I didnt say anything (and its a good thing that I didnt; I learned later that if you make a fuss about it, it only reinforces doctors perception that the patient is a drug seeker). The new doctor took me off Ibuprofen and prescribed Indocin 50 mg three times a day. Indocin seemed to work much better than Ibuprofen and I resolved never to ask for any other painkiller lest anyone else should think that I exhibit drug seeking behaviour.
I did get angry with Medscorp.com however. And after another month sent them several e-mails demanding to know what they were planning to do about my order. In JANUARY 2004 I finally received their reply and could do nothing better than laugh see E-MAIL No. 3 below. The whole operation is an obvious scam. I cant believe I was foolish enough to go for it. By that time, however, the symptoms were well controlled with Indocin. I figured that $200 or so is a cheap way to learn not to trust con artists in the cyberspace and decided to forget it. Except that by the end of the month I started getting tired a lot and people who didnt see me for a while said I looked pale. One day I walked into the class before the lecture and (my wife filled me on all the events that happened from this point on) passed out. I woke up in the intensive care unit with a tube in my mouth, a tube in my nose, and a tube in my bladder (or, for the fans of the gory details, this last one was inserted into my penis). It took a few more days before I was told what happened. As it turns out, all the advertisements that we see on the television the ones that say that people with ulcers should not take Ibuprofen are true. Although I never had an ulcer, I soon found out that Ibuprofen and Indocin belong to the class of drugs called NSAIDs and if taken for a long time at high doses (which was my case) can CAUSE an ulcer. Mine almost caused me to bleed to death if it werent for the paramedics and a good surgeon at the local hospital (I asked for the operation report; the surgery that was done on me is called vagotomy and antrectomy with Bilroth 1 reconstruction fancy that !)
Now that its all over (and the Spring Quarter doesnt start for a while) I have time to think
Several people said that I should sue someone; sue my doctors for instance, or the HMO. I did consider this for a bit, but then found out that (1) you cant sue HMOs because when you sign up for an HMO plan you also sign an arbitration agreement and (2) some good did actually come out of this whole mess: both our sons took the first plane they could from college to be with my wife and me as soon as they found out about what had happened; I never realized how many friends I actually have until I saw all the flowers piled up at the nurses station; and now that I am home, my wife got me this brand new computer that just seems to shred the cyberspace (just to keep your mind off things). No
The outfit that I am truly furious at is Medscorp.com. I just keep on thinking that if Medscorp did send me the medication that I ordered (the medication that I KNOW would have worked for me), I could give myself a break from NSAIDs and avoid the whole disaster altogether.
What the clinic doctor did, even when she did elect to label me a drug seeker, is definitely an error -- a bad error, a costly error, but albeit an UNINTENTIONAL error (I doubt that she thought: Im going to give this man an ulcer just to teach him a lesson not to ask for narcotics). But what Medscorp.com did is the lowest form of scam only scum can perpetrate preying on sick is the same as preying on kids or the elderly. Unlike the medical error by the first resident doctor that treated me, what MEDSCAPE DID was DONE ON PURPOSE AND WITH A SPECIFIC GOAL IN MIND FINANCIAL GAIN.
From reading some of the recent postings to Drugbuyers.com, I can see that I am not the only one whos been fooled by Medscorp.com (although I hope no one else got sick). And so, I dont know if these incidents are enough to add Medscorp.com to the black list, (https://drugbuyers.com/members/
blacklist/) but a big red AVOID sign with an arrow pointing to Medscorp.com on the list of International Pharmacies is probably well deserved by them.
Anyway, if you actually managed to finish reading this, thank you, good luck, and STAY AWAY FROM MEDSCORP.
Sincerely,
JS
P.S. The irony of what happened to me is that, as it turns out, NSAIDs can also do quite a bit of kidney damage when taken at high doses. Partially because of NSAIDs and partially because of bleeding, my kidneys apparently took a bit of a nasty turn, which means that, while at the hospital, I needed a few dialysis treatments. My kidneys have recovered over the last several weeks but now, as my current doctor said, No one in his right mind will prescribe you [me] anything from the NSAID class. So now I have a jar-full of Vicodins laying about somewhere in the bathroom cabinet. One Vicodin at bedtime, it seems, is all that I need. Still, Id rather not need it
Funny how things turn out.
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EMAIL NO.1
From: "Medscorp Orderconfirmation" Add to Address Book
To: XXXXXX@xxxxxxxxxxcom>
Subject: Medscorp Invoice#: XXXXXXX
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 XXXXXXXXX
MedsCorp thank you for placing the order with us - below you find your order information.
Customer Information
Name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Address: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
City: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Zip code: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
State: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Country: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Invoicenumber: XXXXXXXXXXXX
Order Date: Sun Aug 31, 2003 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Quantity Productname Substance Contents Delivery Price
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XXXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXX XXX
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For payment by Money Order/Cashier Check.
Make the Money Order/Cashier Check payable to :
"Tamal Industries Ltd"
Send check/Cash along with Your ORDER # to :
Tamal Industries Ltd
Buzon 105
C/Foglietti # 24 bajo
03007 Alicante
Alicante , SPAIN
NOTE! We will not accept POSTAL GIROS,PERSONAL CHECKS,UK/US POSTAL MONEY ORDERS or CANADIAN MONEY ORDERS , WESTERN UNION MONEY ORDERS , the Money order has to be issued by a bank.
* European Money Orders/Cashier Checks should be made out in local currency equivalent to the total amount in US funds (for the correct currency conversion, please us the currency calculater at: www.bloomberg.com
* We recommend using a recorded shipment service, such as any registered 1st class air-mail or any express mail services, for a faster and safer delivery of payment check.
NOTE ! Clearance time for Check´s are around 5-8 business days , after this your order will be shipped , Expect at least 7-12 days for delivery by mail.
Credit Card payment information (only for orders made under 300$);
- for first time payment only through our secure site with customer login use below link, for second order just checkout using credit card as payment option.
- Always for WEBTV version users use below link for payment.
https://maxvps010.maximumasp.com/v010u44fuc/mc/ccform/
We hope everything will be to your full satisfaction!
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EMAIL NO. 2
From: "MedsCorp - no-swift-reply" Add to Address Book
To: xxxxxxx @xxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: XXXXXX
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 XXXXXXXXXXX
Dear Customer,
Regarding your shipment delay.
There is many factors that can influence in the delivery like postal delays , customs works, errors in delivery address etc, why we only can give an estimated delivery time 15-25 business days , however we do state in our disclaimer that times can be different and you must allow up to 60 business days (12 weeks) for delivery in order to confirm mail loss or seizure, after this we will offer you a solution in case your order has not been received.
As this shipping method is not traceable we can not 'track' it to find out its situation or what kind of problem might have occurred, in case your order is not delivered you should be notified by the customs, but according to our information this can take time why the reason we also request to let the above time pass before we can take any further action to solve this dilemma.
We would also like to remind you that your order is insured and we will reship it to you for free when you receive notification of seizure, so dont get alarmed at this point.
Keep in mind though if you would like to place any additional order while waiting we suggest you use another shipping address, as the customs might have your shipment and therefore your last address on file.
Keep us updated if you receive further information regarding your shipment or any notification from customs.
Let us know if we can help you with something else.
Sincerely,
MedsCorp.com
_______________________________________
International Online Pharmacy
www.MedsCorp.com
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EMAIL No. 3
From: "MedsCorp - no-swift-reply" Add to Address Book
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: XXXXXXXXXX
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 XXXXXXXXX
Dear Customer,
We are sorry to hear that your order has not been delivered and you have not received notification of seizure and could this way take advantage of our confiscation guarantee as indicated on the website.
There is many factors that can influence in the delivery like postal delays , customs works, errors in delivery address etc , however we can at this stage offer you reshipment of your order at 50% discount and to a new address , without any further documentation has to be presented.
Please let us know as soon as possible if you would like to accept our offer, for speedy processing of your reshipment.
Let us know if we can help you with something else.
Sincerely,
MedsCorp.com
_______________________________________
International Online Pharmacy
www.MedsCorp.com
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mikevx
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Reged: 02/06/04
Posts: 282
Loc: LV-426
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Wow
I'd still talk to a lawyer about how those doctors did you. Check the yellow pages and call some, many will take on a case like this with no out of pocket money from you. Just a percentage of what is won in court. It doesn't cost anything to call some and see. 
Glad you are ok now.  But wow what a close call. They deserve to be sued. They must know all that ibuprofen isn't good. Then mixed with that other drug. Please, you have the time so call some lawyers and talk to them. If they aren't the right ones, ask them to suggest one to you.
I've had ulcers before, they are no fun, at all.
As for medscorp, I've sent the admin here a link to the other thread where several were rippied off by them and requested medscorp be added to the blacklist. Maybe if they read your story, they will add them. I've read nothing but bad regarding that site. Your story sounds just like all the others.
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KBlues
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Reged: 11/14/02
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Loc: East Coast
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I feel for you, I really do. My father had a horrible ulcer and his Dr (a military one at Walter Reed) gave him a steroid type med that cause him to have a porforated ulcer(perferated maybe?) and he had to go through intense surgery, much like you did. But, since he and the rest of my family are military, you don't question the military Dr and when something wrong happens, it just happens. But, after the surgery, he finally got adequate care-by switching to Andrews Air Force Base hospital.
Before all of this this, he was complaining of severe stomach pain, but they just wouldn't check for an ulcer. My feeling is this idiot Dr caused this major problem with my Dad by giving him a steroid type med and an NSAID and shooing him out of the office.
Even if it was an HMO, I would maybe talk to a lawyer anyway, just to see if you might have any options. This is exactly what's wrong with HMO's and Dr's. They don't listen to patients, and they only care about their bottom line. Tylenol 3 is nothing. It's not like you called his office everyday asking for a 100 count script of OxyContin!
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voyager
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Reged: 04/17/03
Posts: 417
Loc: United States Virgin Islands
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Its not so much the doctors but the HMO's that are at the root cause of this BS. Doctors are EXPECTED to keepo costs LOW so instead of placing this poor gentlemen on an EXPENSIVE but far safe drug such as vioxx or celebrex to treat the pain they opted for the EL CHEAPO motrin.
No doubt that motrin is an excellenct drug to use for short term treatment of acute pain but in the long run you would have been much more well served getting on the celebrex twice daily and then taking a vicodin once every 4-6 hours as needed for moderate to severe pain.
This is why the HMO's make you sign away your right to sue them which to me seems unethical but as they say, you get what you pay for and all the HMO wanted to do was to SAVE MONEY. 
Anyone that is on long term medication usage should periodically (at least twice a year) have blood tests to determine kidney and liver health. I suspect had they done that you could have avoided the NSAID nephropathy.
A good lesson to learn here is that anyone that is unfortunate enough to be a part of an HMO has to PROCEED WITH CAUTION.
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dhc_60
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Reged: 01/31/04
Posts: 177
Loc: mo.
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medscorp is a scum, errh i mean scam. ordered in oct. never received they offered to ship @ 50%. i was desperate so i paid , order arrived 10 days later in jan. order was DHC. there doesnt seem to be anymore reliable sources for this anymore. pharmatico.com also did not send my order for same. im waiting to see if mypaysystem will refund my $$$ on pharmatico. do not order DHC from these places!!!!!!
good luck.
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sake_zen
Banned = ArthurItis
Reged: 02/25/04
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what a case! i can name at least half a dozen malpractice lawers that'd lick their chops just hearing about a case like that...
about MESCORP.COM... 'whales", i want to copy this string and post it under the string:
INTERNATIONAL PHARMACIES --> MESCORP.COM --> FEEDBACK
please let me know if you don't wish me to do it for some reason. it's just that i think that if more people know about this con game, the less will suffer.
wishing you well
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mikevx
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Posts: 282
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This is predictable. The only people I've seen that's received anything from medscorp are those who didn't receive anything from their initial order, and were talked into paying an additional 50% of their order for a so called re-ship.
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ultrajade
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Reged: 02/27/04
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Here's my experience with Medscape.com:
Last fall I moved from Chicago to a small town. The town is not that small, but we dont have something like Planned Parenthood, or its equivalent, thatd offer affordable birth control pill. Unfortunately, I discovered in the first week of my freshman year that, because our college is Catholic, birth control is not something that is offered by Student Health either. So, I figured that ordering twelve months-worth of Trigynovin from Medscorp.com should not be too bad. I mean, its not like Id be ordering a narcotic or anything. No consultation or consultation fees seemed to be required.
Well, the entire order came to $310 (or thereabouts) charged to the credit card, paid, and never received. After a flood of angry e-mails (all from me to Medscorp), finally got the same e-mails that happy_whales lists above. The last one offered to reorder at 1/2 the cost. I almost paid it, but decided to call home first. Thank God for the openminded parents and a mother that I can actually talk to. The next day she overnighted me a parcel with two months-worth of Ortho-Novum 7/7/7, a check for $300, two boxes of condoms and a note that said: If you do something this stupid again, I swear I will disown you! Love Mom.
I know this sounds like a joke, but it isn't. Nothing nearly as bad as what happened to "H_W" happened to me, but $300 is a lot of money for me. And the worst part is, just like the others who got ripped off by Medscorp, I had no idea what to do about it. Until now, that is:
whoever reads this, STAY AWAY FROM MEDSCORP.COM
Jen
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happy_whales
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Reged: 02/25/04
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I didn't expect such support from people. Thank you. Somehow, knowing that one is not alone makes one feel better.
MikeVX -- I did look into litigation (and no, there is no shortage of willing attorneys). The litigation awards in my state are capped. The lawyer gets 1/3-1/4 of the awards. The expert witnesses get up to 80% of the rest. Also, as I mentioned in my original posting, a part of most HMO contracts is an "arbitration agreement" which means that the a "judge pro tem" (I think that's what the arbiter is called) renders the verdict; not the jury. Another aspect of arbitration (at least in this state) is that the plaintif (me in this case) would have to cover the legal costs of the proceedings in case of the verdict for the defence (HMO). This includes legal charges of the defendant. So, after long consideration, my family and I decided not to proceed with the legal options. I did write several letters of complaint to Medical Board, National Physician Data Bank, National Hospital Association, etc. The care I get now is VIP-class. I just wish that I didn't have to go through it all to get it.
About Medscopr.com. Mike, you wrote that you submitted them to DB administration for balcklisting. I completely support this. Please let me know how to do this and I will gladly write to them myself.
Sake_Zen -- no problem. Please, feel free to use this posting anywhere else on this site. The more people know about the Medscorp.com scam the better.
dhc_60 -- after reading posting by "ultrajade," I am no longer sure that the Medscorp.scam applies to painkillers only. I think that they go by how much people already have invested in their order. My order, Jen's ('ultrajade') order, and ArhturItis' order (see another string) were all in access of $200+. I have a feeling that their scam operates on the principle that the buyer will think something along the lines of "Well, I've gone this far... might as well pay 50% more to reorder..."
Look at it whichever way -- MEDSCORP.COM IS A SCAM and should be avoided.
JS
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Winter
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Reged: 04/08/03
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Im so glad all of you have posted on this place. I think I was asking about it over on the VIP boards & pretty much got the same as what you all are saying. Thank goodness for the boards I was going to place an order with them. Thanks everyone for posting. I couldnt handle the stress or being ripped off right now!!
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mikevx
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Posts: 282
Loc: LV-426
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Private message DrugBuyers (the administrator) or one of the mods here. If everyone who had a bad experience with them would contact drugbuyers and tell them of their experience, perhaps they will add medscorp to the blacklist.
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happy_whales
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Reged: 02/25/04
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In the spirit of suggestion by "MikeVX" above:
IF YOU HAVE ORDERED FROM MEDSCORP.COM AND WERE CONNED BY THEIR "send-us-extra-50%-and-we-will-send-you-your-medications"-SCAM; PLEASE SUBMIT THEM TO ADMINISTRATION OF DB FOR PLACEMENT ON THE BLACKLIST.
JS
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Disciple
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Reged: 12/11/03
Posts: 113
Loc: Deep South-GA
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Voyager,
I totally agree with you. It's HMO and doctors who are willing to compromise a patient's health for HMO's profits. I know of at least four patients who did not having surgery, yet desperately needed it from one surgeon.
DCH 30-please don't wait for paymysystem to give you justice. Do a chargeback to your credit card bank.
Mike-I agree with you. Medscorp should be added to the blacklist.
It's so sad that more and more people are willing to do almost anything for the mighty dollar...greed being the driving force. Yet at the end of life's journey, nothing accumulated can be taken with you. As a matter of fact, the soul is considered more valuable than the WHOLE world....I'll save the sermon for Sunday..LOL....SURELY GOODNESS AND MERCY GOT YA BACK.....Disciple
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mikevx
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Posts: 282
Loc: LV-426
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Medscorp is using another site called UltimatePharma to do their usual scamming. See here
Notice both sites use the same phone numbers, same last name and same registraint.
Registration Service Provider:
HomepageUniverse,
+44.8457606128
+44.8457606128 (fax)
http://HomepageUniverse.com
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Domain name: ULTIMATEPHARMA.COM
Administrative Contact:
Lawson, John
long view lane 12, office 1-3
New Castle, na eb6 e6l
UK
955456963 Fax: +1 (413)235-6826
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Domain name: MEDSCORP.COM
Administrative Contact:
Lawson, Thomas
Courty aunan blc 5-6, office 6b
Nurburger, - 27850
DE
955456963 Fax: +1 (413)235-6826
Medscorp = UltimatePharma
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turcica
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Reged: 12/21/03
Posts: 312
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happy whales, what a terrible experience! I have been down the "ulcer road' myself. I, unlike you, only ended up with an endoscopy (that showed 4 small ulcers). Was prescribed Prilosec and by the next day was feeling much better. My ulcers were related to ingestion of ibuprophen. I was having terrible cramping due to endometriosis and that is all I was given. The pain in my stomach started on a Monday and I wasn't scoped until Friday afternoon. I will never forget that spasming, gripping stomach pain. No one would give me anything while waiting for the scoping. That was many a year ago. Now, whenever I start a medical chart I put NSAID'S in the allergy section. Good luck with your recovery. turcica
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turcica
The only failure is not knowing how to be happy
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navigator__
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Reged: 02/25/04
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I've been conned by Medscorp.com as well. Same M.O. - took my payment; didn't send anything; then, 12 weeks later, offered to reorder at additional 50%.
I didn't know that Mescorp.com and ULTIMAPHARMA.com are the same scam. Great pick up, MikeVX.
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roamingump
Newbie
Reged: 03/12/04
Posts: 39
Loc: Great Southwest, USA
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Medscorp used to be okay during most of 2003. Lately though they've gone severly downhill. Yes, they love to offer to reship for 1/2 price and I usually get those. Last two times, no shipment and no answer to my emails offering the 1/2 off "deal"
I think they're probably a good candidate for the Blacklist.
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theborg
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Reged: 10/20/02
Posts: 321
Loc: Boston
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I also used them several times in 2003 and was very happy with them. It looks like there cashing it in.
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virola
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Posts: 35
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I also wonder why scammers such as medscorp (ultimatepharma)claim to give 10% to VIP members. ten percent of nuthin is nuthin! Maybe they do send VIPs meds for real adn just screw us? I think they should not be listed as 5 star. Stick with pharm88 or click.
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