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tone
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How to use the law to save money for your meds $$$
      #149407 - 03/21/04 11:56 AM

Short on money for buying your medication? simply consider not paying federal income taxes, afterall it is a government scam and theres no law that says you owe anything to uncle sam

note: LoL i am not responsible if you stop paying taxes and get in trouble with the thugs anyway, even though Larken Rose uses the law to get away with it

Quote:

Dear Federal Government,

PLEASE PROSECUTE ME.

I, Larken Rose, have not filed a federal income tax return for 1997 or any subsequent year. This is not because I am protesting any law, or because I do not want to pay my “fair share”; it is because I refuse to be a victim of the biggest financial fraud in history. I also refuse to remain silent while government lawyers illegally defraud my fellow Americans.

People by the thousands are learning that the “conventional wisdom” about the federal income tax is just plain wrong. As more and more Americans are discovering that the law itself shows that the income of most Americans is not taxable, DOJ and IRS officials are desperately trying to distract from the issue by dishonestly portraying it as a frivolous “tax protestor” argument, and by trying to silence (via court injunctions) those who publicize the issue. This summary shows why the IRS and the DOJ refuse to have an open, honest discussion about what the government's own regulations say:

Point 1: The federal income tax applies only to one's “taxable income,” not to all income, and the income tax regulations (e.g. 26 CFR §§ 1.861-1(a)(1), 1.861-8(a)(1), 1.863-1(c)) clearly show that one's taxable domestic income is to be determined under the rules of 26 USC § 861(b) and the related regulations beginning at 26 CFR § 1.861-8. (Other sections explain when income from outside of the U.S. is taxable.)

Point 2: So why does it matter whether we use those sections to determine our taxable domestic income? Because more than 80 years of statutory and regulatory history prove beyond any doubt that 26 USC § 861(b) and 26 CFR § 1.861-8 show income to be taxable only when it comes from certain types of international or foreign commerce. In other words, contrary to what “everyone knows,” most Americans do not receive taxable income, and do not owe federal income taxes.

IRS employees across the country refuse to honestly address the issue, and instead resort to threats, evasions, and accusations, because their own law books expose the biggest financial fraud in history: the misrepresentation and misapplication of the federal income tax. (See www.taxableincome.net for more information.) The nationwide pattern of Gestapo-like tactics by the IRS and DOJ against those who speak the truth is shown in detail at www.Theft-By-Deception.com/declaration.html.

I will not stand by and allow myself, my family and my neighbors to be extorted simply because some power-happy bureaucrats huff and puff about all the nasty things they will do to anyone who does not “comply” with the IRS' misapplication of the law. To the DOJ and the IRS I say this: You know I am among the most vocal about this issue. Stop terrorizing the American public and come get me. Make an “example” of me. Surely if my position is “frivolous” and completely devoid of merit, then the DOJ attorneys can easily refute my position in front of a jury, and have me convicted and imprisoned. (I'm not exactly hiding, am I?) You already have what would be “Exhibit A” in my defense: my Theft By Deception video. So take your best shot.

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The above notice has run in the following publications:

The Idaho Observer (Idaho) 8/13/02 (page 14)
The Texas City Sun (Texas) 8/18/02 (page 15A)
The Honolulu Advertiser (Hawaii) 8/27/02 (page B5)
The Pitch (Missouri) 9/19/02 (page 76)
The Burlington Times-News (North Carolina) 10/13/02 (page D5)
The Chester County Press (Pennsylvania) 10/16/02 (page 12)

On August 14th and 15th, 2002, approximately 900 print-outs of the above notice were handed out in front of the IRS and Department of Justice buildings in Washington DC, including hundreds of copies being personally handed to IRS and DOJ employees.




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Re: How to use the law to save money for your meds [Re: tone]
      #149413 - 03/21/04 12:43 PM

tone, while I appreciate your post, I highly recommend NOT doing something like this. I am a bookkeeper by profession and also do tax returns. I know several people who didn't file tax returns for many years and finally got caught. If you send a letter of protest like that, you are just handing yourself over on a silver platter.

You know what happens? The IRS slaps a bunch of fines and penalties on you. They have the right to go after you and they do. Oh, and they don't care if you can't pay it all at once. They will make payment arrangements and charge a fortune in interest. For example, I'm doing some bookkeeping right now for someone who didn't file for 3 years. I just pulled out a statement that shows the 3 years he didn't file. The interest + penalty alone = $2400! That doesn't include the tax he didn't pay.

What many people don't do, and should do: ALWAYS file a 1040. NEVER file a 1040EZ. You should always itemize your deductions. There are a lot of legitimate deductions available that most people don't know about. For example, don't ever throw away old clothes, furniture, books, whatever. Donate to the local Salvation Army or Goodwill and ask for a receipt. You can assign a value to the things you donated, within reason, and take the deduction.

Let's put it this way: if you work the entire year and receive a W2, all that federal and state tax you paid for the whole year? You potentially should be able to get most, if not all, of that back. Look at it like a savings acccount. And once you get your refund check, put it into an IRA account.

Anyone interested in info on deductions or with other $$$ questions, feel free to PM. We're here to help each other.


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Re: How to use the law to save money for your meds $$$ [Re: tone]
      #149439 - 03/21/04 03:17 PM

As a CPA with an MS of Taxation, and MANY years of experience and knowledge, I for one, if were engaged by you for services, would NOT recommend taking the above approach in avoiding your income tax liability. In fact if I were so foolish, perhaps we'd have the "good-fortune" of ending up in adjoining prison cells. Legitimately MINIMIZING your liabilty is indeed my goal. I assure you MANY laws exist granting the IRS the right to enforce this. In fact the largest existing volume of law available in the US today, is that of the US Tax Code and its NUMEROUS amendments. They are standing on pretty solid ground in FORCING you to pay income tax, and you could easily find yourself without a home, car, and possibly imprisoned following the above mentioned line of "wisdom." Please do not take ideas like this seriously, they'll get you nowhere you'd be interested in going..........

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Re: How to use the law to save money for your meds $$$ [Re: amaz]
      #149443 - 03/21/04 03:30 PM

im afraid i have to agree with both of you, amaz and kittie. no one should try this. Larken Rose will not be prosecuted and has been doing this for years taunting and laughing in the face of the IRS, and his letter has been given to hundreds of IRS employees and been in several news papers, but this doesnt mean anyone else can get away with it. so dont try it LOL.

sorry for the somewhat off topic, but fun and interesting post. kittie can actually help you save money for meds a safer way, she said you could PM her, so i guess this thread isnt completely off topic lol


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amaz
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Re: How to use the law to save money for your meds [Re: kittie74]
      #149448 - 03/21/04 03:54 PM

Actually, most people who don't have mortgage interest which is generally the single item capable in getting them in a situation of itemizing deductions as opposed to the flat standard deduction you are granted if you do not file Sch A may well be better off NOT intemizing. For example this year for a married filing jointly couple gets about $9500 standard deduction be default even if all their itemized deductions are less than that. One common mistake I see with returns being done by H & R Block types is that people that qualify for head of household status are only given single...BIG COSTLY mistake for single parents who qualify for HOH status and are not itemizing!

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Re: How to use the law to save money for your meds [Re: amaz]
      #149450 - 03/21/04 04:05 PM

amaz - you are absolutely correct. The one good thing President Bush has done is bumped up the standard deduction for filing Head of Household or Married. Of course you should compare the standard deduction and itemized deductions and take the larger of the two. A program like Turbotax is great for that purpose if you are going to do your own return. It can help you determine which deductions are allowed and maximize your refund. But if you do use a serivce like H&R Block, ask them to check both for you, also.

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