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karib
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The ER here in my dinky town has me blacklisted too. i wouldn't go there if my life depended on them but drive an hour or two away to get out of here! I think the small towns are worse then the cities! I came from the city never ever had a problem, until i got here! it seems all they have to do here is "suspect" people are trying to get drug! They have a teenage Pill selling problem, so they target anyone they can who seek pain meds, and automatically assume they are "in on it" . Makes me sick, wish i can move back to reality!Where everyone is too busy to get in your business! karen
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Dasani
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HottiefromKy,
Get rid of that self serving bi**h!(the doc)you don't need her and you certainly don't need the aggravation. Absolutely you should find a new doc. This is a clear example, once again, of where a doctor refuses to treat a patient correctly for fear that the DEA will yank their license. Doc's like that have no heart (or intestinal fortitude) and should hide in a hole the rest of their miserable life. As for the pharmacy, I'm guessing it was Walgreens, as this is very typical of their behavior. They think they are the f-ing police or something. God I am extremely mad over what you posted. Get rid of all of them and start over. From a legal standpoint you haven't violated the law. Many times I have filled a hydro script that made me sick to my stomach and vomit and that same day or the next I would go back to the doc or even another doc if mine wasn't available and demand a new script that would be effective for my pain and not make me sick. No problem at all. Everyone talks about fraudulently obtaining meds and all that BS and thats exactly what it is, BS! Don't worry about it. And finally, an RN has no authority to deny or approve a script! If she did, nurses would carry their own script pad and DEA number, but they dont. Nurse practitioners maybe, but not RN's! Therefore, if I were you I would have the pharmacy supervisor investigate the incident and then get the RN and the pharmacist fired from thier jobs and do the world a favor. You did not obtain the scripts (either one) and the fill process was automated, right? No problem! Blame everything on the pharmacy. You did nothing wrong or illegal. If you knowingly filled and picked up the two of them, then yes, there would be a problem, especially since you would be holding 2 different scripts from 2 diff. docs in your hand, which shows knowledge of the crime, but you didn't. You had no way to identify the RX#'s without obtaining the meds. Go out there and get some payback if you feel violated, which obviously you do! Get those two a-holes on the unemployment line. And after a mark like that ends up on their record, their future is pretty much screwed anyways. I say go for it, but you need to do whatever you think is right. I firmly believe in justice though. My .02 cents. Take care.
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catmom
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I can't even finish reading this thread. I have GOT to respond!!! Hottiefromky, I am pretty sure you can switch pharmacies in the middle of a prescription & still get all the refills you are entitled to. Those bozos don't deserve another dime's worth of your business!!! 
As for, meowsie, I think we all agree that it was not a smart move for your husband to alter an prescription, especially for a cntrolled substance! Nevertheless, I cannot believe how badly your doc responded to your situation---outrageous treatment from someone sworn to help people!! Your doc refused to CARE for you & advised you to just take any old antibiotic that was lying around the house??!! Is that really what they told you? I am not accusing you of lying but it is so bizarre, I had to ask. That is grounds for a malpractice suit.  I am a non-practicing RN and I know good & well that it's not smart just to pick up any old pill for an infection.
BTW, am I the only one who doesn't know what a "TP" doctor is? I keep wracking my brain & can't think of what "TP" could stand for. Good luck & fight the good fight to folks who have been done wrong by docs, nurses, & pharmacists.
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tb1218
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Have you ever considered an online us pharmacy. You would never be treated in that manner, and there are several to choose from and much feedback to make a well informed decision. Good Luck to you
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mpcagh
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I think "TP" is treating physician.....this is the first time I have heard this term.
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myrrine
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Dasani,
That was so well put, I just have to second your opinion. Hottie, please do not let this get the best of you. You deserve better treatment than that. I went to the ER a week ago to be told I was literally full of told me my pain was because I was constipated...though I probably do have some IBS problems with my endometriosis, I know my body and I know the difference between constipation pain and my endometriosis pain. BTW, the doc was a woman. I'll never see a woman gyno again, they act like everything is normal. At least some male docs don't even pretend to know what it is like and help you.
Please do not let these people get away with this without having to withstand any consuquences. If you have to drive to the nearest city to get the care you deserve. Please keep us posted. That kind of problem is exactly the reason so many of us are here at DB. I thank God for you guys and gals every day!!! It's very comforting knowing that aren't alone....but at the same time it's horrifying knowing that this stuff happens way too frequently!!!!
Take Care-- You are all in my thoughts,
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hottiefromky
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Another update, etc. Sorry, but yes, TP does stand for "Treating Physician" also called a GP for "General Practionioner" interchangeably. I work in the medical field so I abbreviate allot just assuming everyone knows these terms. Sorry for that.
Well, I called the pharmacy back late this afternoon and asked if my doctor ever bothered to call them regarding the situation. This time I got a very caring pharmacist that was super nice and said that she had spoke with the original rude pharmacist earlier and also knew my situation (apparently this chain has 3 different pharmacists, if not more, that have discussed my script in detail this whole week). Well, this pharmacist was super nice to me and said that I was not flagged into any computer system by anyone and that all they did was disregard my script until they heard from the doctor and then if after 7 days for a Sch II narcotic they still havent heard either way, they just throw out the script completely. Well, after her kindness, I began to explain the situation to her in full again and she said that I shouldnt worry and they have mistakes like this all the time that happen and then she even apologized for her rude colleagues behavior toward my situation. She said the only reason I would ever be 'flagged or blacklisted' by a pharmacist there or in my state was if the pharmacist him/herself was an or if the same person was coming up with the same 'mistakes' over and over, then maybe the authorities would be involved or contacted. However, she said this is rare simply because of the hassle in paperwork and it's usually not worth it nor is it really a true and legitimate claim of fraud, such as in my case. It was not Walgreens but Rite Aid Rx.
Funny thing too, is that I have been with this same pharmacy for over 12 years now since I had cancer at 16 and have seen many pharmacists come and go and this was the first time in all these years I've ever had a problem. I guess mainly because of the new staff they now have after switching buildings recently. Well, long story short, its 6pm on Friday evening now and after a long day of thinking, talking, researching laws in my state, looking at your posts and then the latest conversation with the pharmacist, I am feeling much better.
Still leery and will be going to another TP and pharmacy for sure now, but at least I know that the police will not be beating down my door nor will I be blacklisted by neither the Rite Aid or TP office (so they say).
I am considering starting a new relationship with a new OP now, but am concerned that financially this may not be an option and because of my past history of cancer and current meds that maybe I need a local doctor to fit my needs, but it certainly won't be this practice anymore for sure.
It will be interesting to see what my neurologist and endocrinologist have to say about the situation. I am not going to tell them anything, but rather wait for about 60 days and then request my records from all 3 of them just to see if anything in my records indicate what happened or if she notified my other physicians. I figure if she plans on ratting on me to these other docs, she'll do it within 60 days.
As for the RN, I do know for a fact that she was the one that cancelled my script that day because 1) I saw it on the script itself when the hateful pharmacist showed it to me and 2) I asked the nice pharmacist today, and she looked at the script again and confirmed the RN did cancel my script not my doctor. I'm sure I could seek legal action against her and her license, etc, but I thought maybe that would only bring more attention to myself and anxiety. And still unsure what laws in my state govern RNs regarding prescriptions for Sch II's.
I used to work in a MD office in college and I verified and refilled many Rx's for all kinds of Scheduled meds and never was questioned once by a pharmacy as to who I was, so, maybe my state doesnt care or doesnt have a law against this. If not, heck, I could call and pretend I'm a RN refilling the script and they'd never be the wiser. Again, thanks for reading and responding, you dont know how much your input has helped me through this week alone.
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hottiefromky
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By the way, speaking of Ers, in 11/2000, I woke up with a horrible side pain and went immediately to my small town ER thinking I had a kidney stone or something terribly wrong (cancer spread or something) and spent over 12 hours in the ER running every test possible from an ultrasound to pap smears/pelvic exams and nothing could be found and nothing was helping with my pain. They kept pumping in the Demerol and Morphine and nothing worked. Well, after about 2 hours of this, they started treating me like another small town drug seeker. Well, eventually after 12 hours, they transferred me to a major university hospital b/c they couldnt explain my pain and had to do something for me. Well, in about 2 hours at the new ER doctors discovered a FOOTBALL size tumor on my right ovary that had twisted my fallopian tube completely 180 degrees and the pain was from that. The ER doctor explained to me that it was almost like having a baby just without an end birth as for the pain I was experiencing.
Even in the larger hospital during those first 2 hours before the transfer and diagnosis, they too treated me like a drug seeker. I guess the smaller hospital had called them and warned them I was coming and a drug seeker. They kept running tests and finally did a CAT Scan and discovered the problem. Well, then their whole tune changed and I was rushed into immediate emergent surgery. Well, because of my past cancer history and current meds, I too developed an infection and had to reluctantly resort to my small town ER one evening for a dressing change. Well, it just so happened I got the same ER doctor and nurse I had the first time. I proceeded to say, Do you remember me? and then I told them the whole story about how big my tumor was and how life threatening it had been yet they treated me like some drug seeker and totally misdiagnosed my condition. Their jaws dropped and were utterly speechless. Then they started apologizing and explained that their little ER was notorious for drug seekers and that I was just another case that day that they couldnt figure out my problem, so thats why they transferred me out and never admitted that they thought I was a drug seeker.
However, later that evening after my curtain was closed, by mother overheard the staff talking about me and the MD and ER nurse said that they felt terrible because for once they were wrong about a patient and how they couldnt admit that to me personally but felt bad for treating me that way. They kept saying that it was so hard to tell the drug seekers from the real pain patients and wished there was some way they could apologize to me without admitting their mistake. So, I at least left that ER feeling justified in knowing what my mother had heard them say and admit so maybe I made them think twice about their next patient. Or at least I hope I did. But, I do know I have not been back to that ER since nor will I be unless its life or death.
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Reel_X_4U
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And to think at one time, three times in row, Americans voted Pharmacists as the most respected profession. Those days are long gone. Forget doctor-shopping, I go pharmacy-shopping, I know the chain drug stores are computer-networked, For me, the best ones I''ve seen gone to are the independents, those one owner pharmacies, they can care less, afterall they are competing with the big boys and they want your dollar. I know what you're feeling. The pharmacist from a chain snitched to the doc, that my med profile had just about every controlled substance out there (and I thought all along that information like that was confidential), when I went back to give to him for a "XanaX" refill, he totally refused and with no back-up plan in place, in less then 24 hours I was in "Withdrawals". All because a pharmacist ratted me out. I went through "HELL" and back when I was sick. Never returned to that chain pharmacy again and I pretty much just stick with my local neighbor independent pharmacies and even then I sometimes switch to other small pharmacies. I feel your pain "Hottiefromky". It like pharmacy profession has gone in the total opposite direction, and I'm just wondering how well are pharmacies "computer-networked" in Florida (think that where u are from, right)? It's like there's already enough "STRESS" out there for everyone, so can't "Big Brother" just ease-up a little and let people seek the relief legitimately through our doctors. I'm sure "the Docs" and "the pharmacists" would relax if there less regulation and more "Invitation" through deregulation, and I'm saying a free-for-all (Do as please) type of environment, but one that is "accomodating" and "hassle-free" for those willing to receive their meds in legitimate way and if we're paying for it, of course, it going help the economy. There's wars all around the world, our economy is not doing as well as it should, most employees are squeezed (both physically and mentally) till there nothing left, with all this "CHAOS", of course, people are going to seek relief, afterall it's only "Human Nature" to seek out "Peace of Mind", but "Big Brother" is sooo conservative that they won't let you have that. Can't they see the big picture?, we Americans don't mind a little extra work, just as long as we have some "leisure time to ourselves" to pursue "social" and "individual" interests and to do it with "comfort" and "satisfaction" in mind. So when we return "Monday Morning" we've been through those two "Week-End Days" to "relax" and "revive", which way help corporations nationwide, if they have "calm, cool-headed, and satisfied" workforce working for them, productivity would go "straight-up". It's this "steady onslaught" with NO "reprieve" from "Big Brother". That's got everyone so "Stressed" and "Miserable", the doctors are watching their back and so are the pharmacists and who gets stuck in the middle, it's the consumer, we're paying these people (Medical Profession) to just string us along. A few years ago, it was okay to seek "Pain Relief" and "Stress Relief", but now the government wants to do away with that, by regulating everything. They should be like, "U" know what Americans are experiencing a alot of "turmoil" and "turbulance" lately, so that let's tell the docs that it's okay to provide "US" with a little "RELIEF" every now and then, so everything stays on a even kiel and eventually as things wrok themselves out, we as a whole will notice that "Oh! things seem btter now" don't think I need to visit as often as I use, let me use some of that time and come-up with some new "IDEAS" about "WHATEVER", as long as the "creative juices" keep flowing, there's bound for a solution to be yet "discovered". All we need is the "Time and the environment" conducive to reach that goal. It's like "Big Brother" goned "SCHZOID" on us, and trusts no one, "Everyone in Washington needs to "Light-Up" and pop a "Valium". That'w why "OPs" and "IOPs" are doing such good business. Anyway I thought I put my "2 cents" for what ever it's worth, best of luck "Hottiefromky", sooner or later, "U" will find the relief you're looking for, even if you have to visit a "SHAMAN" or something, so that he can give "U" the "MAJIC POTION", hopefully "sooner" then "later". KEWL!!!
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Emmee
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Insurance companies are capable of many atrocities. I worked for 20 years for one of the largest insurance companies. In the beginning I worked in life/health records. It always amazed me and turned my stomach the way the claims personnel would read through people's medical documentation for entertainment value; the worst was when I found a group of approximately 5 laughing at pictures submitted of a woman who had breast cancer. They were passing pictures of her breasts around (she was well endowed) and laughing as if it was meant for their entertainment. Needless to say I went to management and complained. They were women too! I learned over the years just how vulnerable people are to their insurance companies. Nothing is sacred. THey have access to all your records, and don't hesitate to use it. Beware. Be careful. I have health insurance, but I don't always use it. Sometimes it is worth it for me to pay on my own, than have them in my records.
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catmom
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Quote:
I think "TP" is treating physician.....this is the first time I have heard this term.
Thanks mp!
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meowsie
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I understand your disbelief that she would tell me to take any old antibiotic, I felt the same way; the only conclusion I could come to why she would say that (and obviously I still don't think it was right!) was that she figured I wasn't her patient anymore and she probably didn't believe that I had an infection, I was harrassing them so bad to try to get them to take me back that she probably just figured it was my latest attempt to get her to see me (like I should've had to try that hard in the first place) Had she just seen me, like she's supposed to after surgery, she would have seen that my incision WAS infected! Oh well, I would've liked to have killed my hubby for what he did but I guess at least I learned something; these are the people who delivered all three of my children, I trusted them with a lot, and if this is how they treat me, at least I found out, I don't need a doc that treats their patients that way!
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catmom
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You said a mouthful, Meowsie!!! 
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Purple
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Hottie,
I am a little late in replying here but I have been off the board for a while dealing with my own headache/migraine nightmare. I wanted to tell you that I have just went thru something almost similiar to your situation and my neurologist has given up on me and my headaches and his witch nurse did something similiar as to your doc's witch nurse. I see my PCP tomorrow to dicuss further treatment for my headaches/migraines and I am NOT going back to see my Neurologist ever again because of his attitude and his nurse. I agree with you when you say that you will switch doctor's, that's what I plan to do. If my PCP gives me a hard time tomorrow, I plan on switching from him too. I had been using OP's but had to stop because of the cost and went back to my PCP who referred me to the Neurologist who really didn't help. I am back to square 1 by going back to my PCP tomorrow but I am not giving up until someone can help me with these headaches/migraines. I feel your pain!! Good luck to you, I am in the same boat, if you ever want to talk off the board, please feel free to PM me.
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hottiefromky
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Well, I did some research and all the states around me also have similar tracking systems but one that is only about 45 minutes away. I wonder, do you think if next time, it would be worth it to drive to this state and get my rx filled? Or would an out of state Sch II script look suspicious too another pharmacy?
I called another pharmacy near my town (didn't give my name or anything) and just inquired about how the pharmacy monitor system did work here. She said it happens at her pharmacy all the time but usually the doctor approves the script and its taken care of and the nurse should have never been authorized to 'cancel' my script. The pharmacist should have waited on the doctor herself to call back and never treated me that way. She said the normal procedure is that when a person has a sch III come in, then a few days later brings in a sch II from the same doctor, its assumed that the sch III didnt work, so that is why the person is given something stronger, which is what was obvious in my case. In addition, she said it was a totally different opiate drug so really the pharmacy shouldn't have questioned my previous refill attempt. She said if I was getting the same drug or same drug and a different doctor, then that would have been different, but, she says it happens to her there and that all they do is call the doctor for clarification or throw out the script and no big deal. (Except the patient that needs the stronger script suffers in pain) She said that my name won't go into any system and that the only concern I would have now would be that the doctor herself flagged my chart in the office as drug seeking, etc. She said the computer system here doesnt keep names unless the pharmacy suspects something really bad about a persons habits and then the person themselves are held and the law is called right then and there by the pharmacist. But, she said she has worked in several rx's in town and never has seen this happen even when they knew a script was forged or falsified. She said sometimes its not even the computer system either but sometimes the insurance companies themselves flag the narc's too, so, it could have been them that alerted the pharmacy, who then called the doctor that got the witch nurse that cancelled my script. In essence, she said it could have been a multitude of things, but since I called the rx and doctor and straightened it all out, that I shouldnt worry. She said it is sad that my script was cancelled in the first place over such a small dosage of 12 Percocets even if it was a Sch II drug. 12 Percs is nothing compared to other amounts and rxs she sees daily being prescribed.
So, after talking with her, I may have to switch with her pharmacy all together this next time around. She was really nice and acted as if it was no big deal. But, she also didn't have to deal with the head pain and terrible scrutiny either that I had to see in both the doctors office and pharmacy that day.
So, I still dont know what ever happened with my chart, but, even after talking to my doctor, I still have a feeling I've been flagged, so, I have since asked around and will be going to a new primary care doctor soon and then a new neurologist also. After that, I'll figure out about which pharmacy I want to switch too. Hopefully my insurance company wont be calling or Ill have to explain all this to them again too. I just think its so ridiculous a person with legit pain cannot get the treatment or meds they deserve. It ludicrous, but I guess that is why so many resort to the OPs instead now too.
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