tone
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The government has classified opioids as "narcotics" which means sleep or stupor inducing, so i was wondering, are any pain patients who take regular doses of opioids in a state of constant stoned cloudy sleep and stupor? i dont think so, so i wonder why that term stuck
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Lisa1967
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I WISH!! 
Lisa
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gottadoit
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Good question tone. I read the other thread that prompted this one and I do understand what you were trying to say there. I think the term "narcotic" was picked up because it has such negative connotations. Anything to make sure that we who need the medications to survive realize just how BAD (not!) we are in taking these "dangerous, scheduled" medications (again - NOT!). And no, I do not feel a stupor. If frightens me to think of how much I would need to take to go into a stupor!
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classclown
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Nope, can't say that I have ever put myself into a state of narcosis with my prescribed pain meds!
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brenda1231
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One of the things that ticks me off about our governement being so concerned with, and wanting to be so involved in our medical care is that they have no IDEA of what type of pain (pun intended) they have already put our doctors in.
Our Docs can't even do thier jobs anymore for fear of 1) a lawsuit from a patient whom they 'addicted' or 2) a letter from the DEA or whomever, warnig them aobut he amount of narcotics they are prescribing. I know we all gripe that our docs don't understand, but I bet many of them would be more forthcoming with meds if they didn't have big brother breating down thier backs.
I KNOW when I can take alieve or motrin for my pain, and when I need something of a narcotic nature.
As far as putting myself into a stupor. Have I?
Yeah...when the pain was so bad that I wanted to go to sleep and wake up without my head feeling like it was in a vise grip.
I think another thing that is true for me and I am willing to bet most others is that; when taking narcotic pain medications for legitimate pain you do not get the 'buzz' that you might get taking it recreationally.
That may sound wierd, but it seems to me that when I am in a lot of pain, I can double or triple my meds and get no 'buzz' just pain relief. (not that it is a good idea to double or triple pain meds, nor would I advocate such.
I am so sick and tired of the doggone government trying to protect US from OURSELVES.
Good grief! My job as a Mom is to protect my children from themselves, boy are they going to be disapointed when they grow up and realize they never really lose that protection, it just gets passed on to the govenment.
I realy do like Bush, but he is dead wrong on this one!
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night_shade
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Actually, yes.
When I decided to get on MMT, in complete ignorance, I adjusted my dose all the way to the top limit (then it was 100mgs, but it's much higher than that now.)
I swear that when I was on that dose, I had NO IDEA just how much I was affected by the nods and other sedating effects of methadone. Now that I take far, far less, I am surprised I am even alive today since I could even fall asleep on my feet back then (and did several times!) I would have to buy an ice cream cone from DQ just to stay awake driving on the city freeways for longer than a 10 minute trip.
Honestly, this was done in complete ignorance on my behalf. There is no moderation from the MMT clinic I attended. It was a cash business and they don't WANT you to ever stop taking methadone. So, until other people started getting angry with me for falling asleep during conversations, my kids kept asking if I was sure I wouldn't fall asleep driving, etc., I had no idea I was taking TOO MUCH. My MIND felt awake, but I would just get this feeling out of nowhere that I had to get to sleep or I was just going to pass out anyway. It was scary and I am SOOOOO glad the people who love me kept at me to lower my dose (and try to get off MMT altogether.)
So, as stupid as it sounds, it IS possible to feel this way and not have the understanding that it is TOO much. With far more clarity and looking back on it, it sounds just stupid. But I was there and I really understand now just what SOMNOLENCE means!
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flea
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All one needs to do is look at Rush Limbaugh and that will answer their question. I mean really, 30 Oxycontins a day, yet he still managed to get up REALLY early every morning as well as talking on a live radio show for several hours.
If that does not prove to those critics out there that it is indeed possible for those on pain meds to perform normal daily duties without being dazed and confused then I do not know what does, you know?
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orgart
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All the the narcotic pain meds operate on blocking the receptors before they receive the message for pain. If you have some pain and take what you need to counter it, you stay fairly even. The same goes for intense pain. Pain meds work better if taken before things get too bad. The only way you get druged is on purpose or not knowing what your taking. No matter what, over time all the meds tend to work a little less than they did in the beginning.
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tone
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good point, i never heard rush in a drunk narcotic stupor, although i cant stand to hear such darkness and evil for long so i only heard him here and there for a minute
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flea
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Ha ha, very true. I also had never spent a whole lot of time listening to Rush either but I have heard him enough to know where he stands on most issues, and where he stands on such issues are usually a world away from where I stand, therefore making us polar opposites, well um, except for the fact that I too have chronic back pain and now take 240mgs of oxycontin a day. But unlike him, I have never wavered in my beliefs about whether or not someone should be considered a criminal if they are caught with drugs, of any kind. I have always held a strong belief in the decriminalization of drug use. Or in cases of those addicted to drugs that they are using for recreational purposes I feel strongly that they should have an opportunity to get help and rehabilitation, not jail time! AHHHH I just want to scream when I think of that prospect. You know, young adults getting busted for using illegal drugs, getting thrown in jail and then end up resorting to harder drugs in order to deal with being incarcerated, or just to assimilate to their new surroundings. But to somehow suggest that people living in chronic pain should be referred to as "criminals" just blows my mind. How can it possibly be a criminal act if someone is taking medications for pain? And I do not only mean to refer to the pain meds that I take either. I do not smoke marijuana but if I had cancer or any of the many other ailments that marijuana has proven to help, then I would roll up a fattie and smoke it without hesitation.
That is where I think Rush is despicable! He has always been so tough on people who turned out to commit lesser crimes than he has been charged with. But the difference with most of us here (or at least I hope) is that even though we may not agree with Rush, we would still stand up for him and attest to the difficulties associated with chronic pain and the necessity for a complete overhaul to the justice system and to the medical community in large. All his case shows is the lengths so many of us have been forced to go to just in order to alleviate our pain.
The whole Rush story would not have been so compelling had it happened to someone like Howard Stern or even Bill Maher, both of whom have already proven to be proponents of the legalization of drugs. That would have just forced the right to say, See, these evil drug users are such bad role models. But since this happened to one of their own role models they really ended up with a big fat foot in their mouth. Especially once again tapping into the whole you can not work while you are high defense. So I thank Rush for proving what so many of us have been trying to say for so long. We are NOT high when we take our medications, we are just feeling less pain. So because of this decrease in pain we are leading normal, productive lives. We pay taxes and go to our jobs and are in most cases, ideal citizens. Its not until we are unable to get our pain medications and are forced to live in this chronic state of life altering pain do we start to become the unproductive citizens. Hey desperate times sometimes call for desperate measures. If the only way I could get pain relief was by doing something illegal, such as purchasing meds online from an international pharmacy, or through websites offering pain meds in ways that our government disapproves, then too bad, I would do it. Heck I have done it. So at this very moment the only thing separating me from breaking the law (if you want to call it that) is a kind and understanding doctor.
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