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poth38
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pharmacy aquisition cost
      #139549 - 02/19/04 08:21 PM

hyd/apap 5/500 $3.35/100
hyd/apap 7.5/500 4.94/100
hyd/apap 7.5/750 5.75/100
hyd/apap 10/650 6.15/100
hyd/apap 10/660 20.90/100
hyd/ibup 7.5/200 80.23/100

clonazepam 2 5.00/100
carisop 350 5.39/100

thought this might be of interest.


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NJ_Hoss
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Re: pharmacy aquisition cost [Re: poth38]
      #139583 - 02/19/04 10:01 PM

While there are scenarios in which these costs are relatively in-line with the general medication cost, the actual acquisition cost for a given prescription is going to vary from pharmacy to pharmacy, often from order to order, as package size, terms, manufacturer, and a score of other factors.

Individual operators tend to use AC (acquisition cost) in determining COG (cost of goods) on a prescription by prescription single-case scenario basis only, but most reimbursment from insurers and other statistic pertaining to outwardly-facing statistics most often use a different factor, AWP (average wholesale price), as it gives a much closer estimate of what the overal cost of goods is for a particular medication.

Actually, for those who are interested in such things, it is possible to determine the specific cost of a given prescription from many chain pharmacies and independent operators who use systems that include printed cost codes on their shelf tag and prescription labels (which once consisted of only what appears on a vial, but now can occupy an entire 8 1/2 x 14 inch form. Pharmacy has a lot in common with wallpaper hanging.

Anyway, to facilitate manual inventories and audits, retailers often include the cost of their goods somewhere on the prescription package, usually a stapled bag. For example, Walgreens uses a substitution formula based on BRUSH KLEAN, where B = 1 R = 2 and so forth until N = 0. Longs Drugs, and Albertson's sister companies Osco Drug and Sav-On Drugs use CHARLESTON for the same purpose. (Be careful though, as P is substituted as a dummy digit and X indicates a repeat of the previous character. Certain pharmaceutical wholesalers use PHARMOCIST, and others like CUSTARDPIE are commonly used as well. If you can locate a series of these seemingly-nonsensical letters on your printed label (or receipt, bag insert or other documentation specific to your prescription), you may be able to determine what the pharmacy considers to be its specific cost for the prescription inside.

The reason they may appear on the prescription bag is to provide an assignable inventory value for prescriptions in the will-call bins for which customers have not yet paid. Be careful in your assumptions, however. For pre-packaged general merchandise, the cost is straightforward. However, pharmacies use a variety of formulas to arrive at their ultimate cost basis and retail price. This tends to be based on AWP instead of AC, as it averages out across the entire inventory and gives a more accurate picture overall. Second, pharmacies typically derive most prescription prices by charging a dispensing fee, and adding a multiple of the unit cost.

For example, with a dispensing fee of $9.00, a 30-count prescription for an item whose ingredient price is $.05 would total $10.50. For 60, the price would be $10.80. It's important to understand that these are mostly for determining retail and inventory price bases. More than 90% of prescription are insured, for which each contract permits its own reimbursement and price factors. For example, a cash customer may pay a $9.00 dispensing fee, and a price based on full AWP, but state Medicaid prescriptions may only receive a $2.00 dispensing fee reimbursement, and only 90% of AWP. That is why cost averaging and using AWP is so important, as it must be applied across the broad spectrum of prescriptions dispensed.

I hope you (collectively) find this interesting and useful.


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voyager
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Re: pharmacy aquisition cost [Re: NJ_Hoss]
      #139661 - 02/20/04 04:37 AM

HUH????????

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DBP
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Re: pharmacy aquisition cost [Re: voyager]
      #139690 - 02/20/04 06:25 AM

In plain English, wholesale medicine costs vary greatly based on a large number of factors, and it is very expensive to run a pharmacy.

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lumbarlucy
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Re: pharmacy aquisition cost [Re: DBP]
      #139695 - 02/20/04 06:34 AM

Gee now there's a bit of a self-serving statement don't you think?

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DBP
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Re: pharmacy aquisition cost [Re: lumbarlucy]
      #139701 - 02/20/04 06:57 AM

Well it is true and it is what the previous poster was trying to say. The next poster said "huh?" so I put this up as a quick summary. There is nothing wrong with a self-serving statement if it is true, and you are welcome to check it out for yourself.

Here are some of the costs involved in getting a $70 bottle of medicine out the door:

Medicine cost
Medicine bottle
Labels for bottles
Shipping box
Shipping label
Packing materials
Machine that prints shipping label
Ink for machine that prints shipping label, etc.
Electricity
Water
Sewage
Phones
Liability insurance for pharmacy
Mortgage or rent on building
Liability insurance for building
Building maintenance
Common area maintenance (hallways, entryways, lawn care, sprinkler systems, sidewalk maintenance, trash removal, all required by commercial zoning code)
Parking lot maintenance
Outdoor lighting
Property taxes on building
Corporate taxes on income
Sales taxes on supplies, etc.
Security system and alarms
Computers
Software (pharmacy software licenses can cost from $15,000 to over $100,000 depending on the number of users, number of orders, etc.)
Fax machines
Office supplies
Materials for compliance with Federal and state laws and regulations
OSHA compliance program (ongoing expense)
HIPAA compliance program (ongoing expense)
Attorneys to make sure you are complying with Federal and state laws and regulations
Attorneys and consultants to prepare for and respond to routine audits and records reviews by state and Federal agencies, including, but not limited to, the State Board of Pharmacy, State Department of Health, the DEA, OSHA, Department of Health and Human Services.

And we still haven't mentioned . . .

Pharmacists
Liability insurance for pharmacist
Pharmacy technicians
Order processing staff
Customer service staff
Liability insurance for these people
Payroll taxes on these people
Social security contributions on these people
Unemployment insurance contributions on these people
Medicare contributions on these people . . .

So yes, it is self-serving, but we can't serve you unless we are able to cover these costs, and this is true for every OP here.


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lumbarlucy
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Re: pharmacy aquisition cost [Re: DBP]
      #139762 - 02/20/04 09:53 AM

Ink for machine that prints shipping label? Now THAT'S reaching.

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DBP
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Re: pharmacy aquisition cost [Re: lumbarlucy]
      #139768 - 02/20/04 10:04 AM

I was just trying to show that even on the most minute level, however ridiculous, things cost money and that has to come from somewhere. Even that ink costs $50, so that's almost one whole order down the drain just for that.

But please don't miss the bigger point. I think I speak for all the legit OPs when I say we're not here to gouge anyone, just make a decent living like everyone else. And besides, competitive forces take care of that.


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lumbarlucy
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Re: pharmacy aquisition cost [Re: DBP]
      #139769 - 02/20/04 10:10 AM

You're right and I apologize... now who do I make the check out to for my $220 same day consultation?

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DBP
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Re: pharmacy aquisition cost [Re: lumbarlucy]
      #139771 - 02/20/04 10:14 AM

Now in fairness, we don't hold a gun to anyone's head to pay that amount for that service, and a lot of people do use it and enjoy the faster priority. In that case, we also have to deal with the doctor and his staff and their prearranged schedule, including his real world patients. There's a lot of extra hustling and juggling appointments to get a Same Day person in and out fast enough to get their order sent out that day. We don't have to offer it, but it doesn't hurt anyone that we do offer it, it doesn't make our regular service any slower, and it helps those people who do want it.

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adb263
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Re: pharmacy aquisition cost [Re: lumbarlucy]
      #139819 - 02/20/04 11:53 AM

Not to take this off topic but I just figured out what your pic under your name is!!!!! LOL

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eelrm
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Re: pharmacy aquisition cost [Re: DBP]
      #139824 - 02/20/04 12:12 PM

DBP-whom do you represent? (Thanks for the info-but it is still a very lucrative business. Every business has these costs)

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Re: pharmacy aquisition cost [Re: adb263]
      #139837 - 02/20/04 12:43 PM

heehee me too, 'sorry Ms.Jackson,,,,! And I have to say,,,, over the months this has been a wonderful place, to learn and post, and learn some more. But lately, it's becoming 'argument central',,, we all have choices, you can take 'em or leave 'em.....let's get along! Right GUY'S?

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Re: pharmacy aquisition cost [Re: NJ_Hoss]
      #139862 - 02/20/04 01:27 PM

I think the point is being missed here: It dose not really matter if the cost is $.03 or $.10 per pill. The fact that the average retail cost at an OP is about $.80. That is the point: there is a HUGE mark-up. As far as the other cost goes: bottles, labor, etc that is covered by the shipping costs, which are also greatly marked up. My rate with Fedex for a standard overnight letter is about 10 bucks. Most OPs charge about $20 or $25? So if an OP shipped 3000 scripts a month that would be about $30,000 PER MONTH above the actual shipping costs. That pays for a LOT of labor, and plasic bottles, phone bills, ink and even insurance. I am not complaining, they are a great service and one could argue about the legality of OPs. I understand that there could be an element of risk involved for the operators. I am willing, no happy, to pay the premium for the service. But, lets call a spade a spade. Z.

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DBP
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Re: pharmacy aquisition cost [Re: eelrm]
      #139867 - 02/20/04 01:43 PM

Quote:

DBP-whom do you represent? (Thanks for the info-but it is still a very lucrative business. Every business has these costs)




We are Doctor By Phone. And that was exactly my point, every business has those costs and they have to be covered, otherwise there is no business. People think because the wholesale cost on medicine is $3 or $10 or $27 that we can add $1 and sell it for that, but I was just pointing out that running a pharmacy is an expensive proposition. The "lucrativeness" comes from having a lot of sales, not from gouging individual customers on each transaction. As it is, we have some of the lowest per pill costs on these boards.


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MAJORMUSCLES
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Re: pharmacy aquisition cost [Re: DBP]
      #139925 - 02/20/04 04:38 PM

Doctor By Phone is one of, if not THE least expensive OPs on this board for generic 10/325's. Their service is prompt and courteous. They are not the ones to upbraid about meds costs.
I paid $62.00 for 90 10/325. That's a GREAT price in OP land!


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