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sanclemente
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Electronic tracking devices - what next!?!
      #139260 - 02/19/04 11:02 AM

THE NATION

Counterfeit Drug Strategy Proposed The pharmaceutical industry is urged by the administration to use electronic tracking tools to stem a growing threat.

By Vicki Kemper, Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON — The Bush administration called on the pharmaceutical industry Wednesday to voluntarily adopt measures — such as tiny electronic tracking devices attached to labels or boxes — that would stem the growing threat of counterfeit prescription medications in the United States.

"We will take the necessary steps to protect all Americans from those who would exploit and harm them by selling counterfeit drugs," said Tommy G. Thompson, secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services.

Mark B. McClellan, commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, said "the vast majority of drugs legally obtained in the United States are legitimate — well over 99%." However, the government's investigations of counterfeit drug operations have increased from less than 10 in 2000 to more than 20 a year.

Last year, for example, the government issued an alert after more than 200,000 bottles of counterfeit Lipitor, a cholesterol drug, had made their way onto the market. In 2001, a Sunnyvale, Calif., pharmacist discovered that bottles of Neupogen, a growth hormone prescribed for AIDS and cancer patients, were filled only with saltwater.

The FDA report on measures to combat drug counterfeiting was compiled in consultation with drug manufacturers, wholesalers, retailers and pharmacy groups. It calls on the drug industry to implement electronic "track-and-trace" technologies by 2007, encourages state governments to adopt stronger anticounterfeiting laws and seeks stiffer criminal penalties for those convicted of making or peddling counterfeit medications.

The government also said it would work to educate consumers and healthcare professionals about what Thompson termed "this increasingly sophisticated public health threat."

The basic message is "buy your medication from a reputable source," McClellan said.

The administration's release of the FDA report was the latest in a series of high-profile actions designed to convince Americans that prescription drugs purchased in unconventional ways — particularly those bought over the Internet or from Canada — may not be safe. However, the administration's warnings do not appear to have dampened the public's demand for the less expensive Canadian drugs.

Democrats in Congress, joined by some Republicans, have renewed efforts to legalize such purchases, and many of the nation's governors plan to hold a "summit on prescription drug re-importation" here on Tuesday. Earlier this week, Los Angeles City Councilman Dennis P. Zine said the city could save millions of dollars if it purchased medications for municipal employees from Canada.

Millions of older Americans order drugs over the Internet or from Canada, where government-imposed price controls can make them 50% cheaper than the same medications sold in the United States. For years, the U.S. government has largely ignored those illegal purchases. But the Bush administration sharpened its rhetoric after several cities and states, including California, considered proposals to buy drugs from Canada and two cities — Springfield, Mass., and Montgomery, Ala. — began doing so.

The FDA has threatened to take legal action against city or state governments that implement drug-importation programs, and it has joined with pharmacists' associations in Illinois and California in public-information campaigns designed to discourage consumers from buying medications from Canada.

McClellan said Wednesday that the anticounterfeiting measures proposed in his agency's report were designed "only for the U.S. legal drug supply."

"When you go outside of that system, it really is, unfortunately, a 'buyer beware' situation. And this report does not provide the solution to that problem," he said.

Thompson acknowledged the political pressure to legalize drug imports, noting that the new Medicare law requires his department to complete a study of the issue by next year.

But for now, McClellan said, the FDA has "neither the legal authorities to provide effective oversight nor the resources" to ensure that drugs imported into the country are safe.

Administration officials expressed more confidence in their ability to control drug counterfeiting. Most promising, they said, is the development of so-called track-and-trace technologies. Putting tiny computer chips, about a third the size of a grain of rice, behind the labels of pill bottles would allow retailers and pharmacists to ensure the legality of a medication and track its movement from manufacturer to patient, they said.

The implementation of this "electronic pedigree" should cost about a dollar per prescription, officials said, predicting widespread use of the technology by 2007.

Current law requires the drug industry to use a paper-based tracking system, but with distributors and retailers balking at the cost and the logistics, it has never been enforced. The FDA's new report — endorsed by the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, the American Medical Assn., the National Assn. of Boards of Pharmacy and other industry groups — indicated that the agency intends to further delay implementation of the paper-pedigree requirement until December 2006.

By then, the government expects most industry groups to be using the voluntary electronic tracking technology.

"The FDA is not going to require this by regulation," said William Hubbard, the FDA's senior associate commissioner.


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Re: Electronic tracking devices - what next!?! *DELETED* [Re: sanclemente]
      #139284 - 02/19/04 11:47 AM

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Re: Electronic tracking devices - what next!?! [Re: turcica]
      #139311 - 02/19/04 12:27 PM

I really do not see a problem with this. Now is Walgreens is going to put a chip in my script bottle-NO-then we can talk.

I think the jist here are the supply chains ONLY fro the manufacturer to the distributor. Have we has some bad Norco about a year ago...YES! How did that happen? Perhaps if we (Watson, or ine wholesaler) knew it (their wholesale cratses) were sitting in SanFran's doack bay'f for 4 weeks....well you get the point,

YES, gov't is taking away our rights BUT BUT BUT...can anyone see how this could help us in the fight against expired or counterfit hydro, diazepam, lipitor, celebrex, tagamet etc...?

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Re: Electronic tracking devices - what next!?! [Re: keystone]
      #139325 - 02/19/04 12:55 PM

No that is NOT what they are talking about at all. They are proposing packaging that could be tracked through the supply chain, not the individual tablets themselves. The focus is to ensure that the practitioner dispensing the medication to the patient has a verifiable means of assuring the contents' authenticity. It would ends at the pharmacy counter, if not before, for companies who receive and precount medications. Neither would the program conceivably be extended into patients homes, nor could it for any prescription a customer simply refused to accept in a manufacturer's package.

Except for manufacturer-packaged unit doses, prescription meds are removed from their original packaging before being counted and poured or otherwise prepared into bottles, vials, and jars. Careful inspection of virtually all manufacturer packages reveals text to the effect that "this package is not suitable for dispensing to the patient'. This is also the reason that packaged quantities of medication are rarely in the quantities they are most commonly prescribed, as to increase the likelihood that individual pharmacies will not only have to buy an additional unit to maintain in inventory, but also to discourage the practice of dispensing the manufacturer's original packaging.

There are many other reasons for this; for example, not all of the text on the bottle is intended for the patient. It is generally not considered to be in the patients' best interest to share all of the clinical pharmacology or trail study data, nor is it to be made aware of all side-effects during trial, as many patients tend to develop side-effects after simply becoming aware that they have been reported elsewhere. The final consideration is that virtually no state labeling requirement would accommodate a label over the manufacturer's as there is no way to guarantee that it would cover irrelevant data such as possible dosing guidelines, when only the prescription contains the proper dosing information for each patient.

Regardless of the fact that some pharmacies simply do dispense sealed bottles, most who do are doing so contrary to practice guidelines.

For more reasons than I either can, or care to, discuss in a single post, there is nothing "big brother-ish" about this process in terms of tying meds to patients, and the pharmacy industry sorely needs a solution which can ensure medication authenticity. Understanding all the ways an initiative like this could help to stem the tide of expired and counterfeit medications found in the U.S. retail prescription supply chain really requires some insight into how the pharmaceutical distribution process works, which is far more complex than anyone would want discussed in this thread; but a solution that resembles this would indeed go a long way toward preventing some of the most common sources for illicit or counterfeit pharmaceuticals.


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Re: Electronic tracking devices - what next!?! [Re: NJ_Hoss]
      #139337 - 02/19/04 01:10 PM

Thanks Hoss for your brilliant, as usual, explanation. I was just having a little fun with it. I deleted it anyway. LOL turcica

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Re: Electronic tracking devices - what next!?! [Re: turcica]
      #139537 - 02/19/04 07:48 PM

Some more fun, just because it's no good for pain, doesn't mean it's no good for pain, say researchers:

Reuters: Brain Scans Show Placebo Effect Is All in the Head

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=585&ncid=585&e=1&u=/nm/20040219/sc_nm/science_placebo_dc_1

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Re: Electronic tracking devices - what next!?! [Re: sanclemente]
      #139706 - 02/20/04 07:02 AM

Boy, these US pharmaceutical companies have some great lobbyists in D.C.!

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Re: Electronic tracking devices - what next!?! [Re: NJ_Hoss]
      #139719 - 02/20/04 07:36 AM

Hoss, I think you just said what I stated in 10,000 more words. Am I wrong? I am sure you have good intentions but if you want to be a mod. contact DB.

Just my opinion.

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Re: Electronic tracking devices - what next!?! [Re: keystone]
      #139727 - 02/20/04 08:01 AM

Quote:

I really do not see a problem with this. Now is Walgreens is going to put a chip in my script bottle-NO-then we can talk.

I think the jist here are the supply chains ONLY fro the manufacturer to the distributor. Have we has some bad Norco about a year ago...YES! How did that happen? Perhaps if we (Watson, or ine wholesaler) knew it (their wholesale cratses) were sitting in SanFran's doack bay'f for 4 weeks....well you get the point,

YES, gov't is taking away our rights BUT BUT BUT...can anyone see how this could help us in the fight against expired or counterfit hydro, diazepam, lipitor, celebrex, tagamet etc...?




Well said Keystone - thank you!


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Re: Electronic tracking devices - what next!?! [Re: keystone]
      #139760 - 02/20/04 09:44 AM

Quote:

Hoss, I think you just said what I stated in 10,000 more words. Am I wrong? I am sure you have good intentions but if you want to be a mod. contact DB.




Yes, you are wrong.
Yes, my intentions are good.
Mo, I did not merely restate what you did.
Yes, you should feel free to ignore any post from anyone you don't feel adds value.


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